• Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.caEnglish
    3111·
    2 days ago

    I dunno, no Democrat ever threatened to make my country the 51st state since the 19th century…

  • HugeNerd@lemmy.ca
    101·
    2 days ago

    Oh thanks for the red arrow and explanation, I would never have figured out this cuneiform riddle otherwise.

  • Octagon9561@lemmy.ml
    6220·
    3 days ago

    The fact that there are so many dislikes proves how propagandized the average American is. “How dare you call both sides the same” Well, they ojectively are pretty much the same with few exceptions.

    • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
      31·
      3 days ago

      Especially for non-Usian people, doubly especially for those on the working end of US “diplomacy” - bombs, coups and sanctions come regardless of which US administration, there is literally no difference whatsoever.

    • dxdydz@slrpnk.net
      1312·
      2 days ago

      I’m no fan of the democrats, but they don’t want to systematically exterminate people like me.

    • uniquethrowagay@feddit.org
      37·
      2 days ago

      You must be very privileged or very ignorant to see things this way.
      The Democratic Party is somewhat conservative and stand firmly behind capitalism. But they aren’t fascists. Not at all.

    • Reddfugee42@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1130·
      3 days ago

      “Everyone who is an adult who realizes there is no unicorn party is completely propagandized. I am le very smart.”

    • PastafARRian@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      1627·
      3 days ago

      One side supports a criminal Nazi apologist who tried to overthrow our Democracy and hasn’t given up yet. The other side brings a knife to the gun fight.

      They’re not even remotely the same. 40 years ago that may have been closer to true.

      • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
        111·
        2 days ago

        One side supports a criminal Nazi apologist who tried to overthrow our Democracy and hasn’t given up yet

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
        415·
        3 days ago

        The DNC isn’t fighting for workers. They are bringing a gun to the gunfight, they just aren’t interested in using it against the GOP, as ultimately both serve capital. The US has never been a democracy for the people.

        • 𝕛𝕨𝕞-𝕕𝕖𝕧@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          32·
          2 days ago

          oh god i agree with cowbee wholeheartedly in a thread of discourse…

          oh god oh fuck oh shit i can feel it happening… is it warm in here?

          Я чувствую, как марксизм-ленинизм просачивается в мой мозг!!! make it stop….

          Теперь я чувствую себя белым и пушистым… как коммунистический медведь.

          —-

          anyway joking aside appreciate lemmy collectively telling neolibs to shut the fuck up bc while plenty of things .ml says piss me off, they don’t piss me off nearly as much as seeing americans who haven’t ripped the bandaid off yet.

        • PastafARRian@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          317·
          3 days ago

          Democrats seek to regulate said capital. The Overton window is too far right to have much effect.

          Serving capital does not mean we’re not a Democracy. Attempting a coup of the government and disinformation does, however.

          • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
            221·
            2 days ago

            They only seek to regulate capital as much as their megacorp and billionaire donors wish. The “Overton Window” has nothing to do with it.

            Further, if both parties serve capital, then we have democracy for capital, not for the people.

          • Tomorrow_Farewell [any, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
            16·
            3 days ago

            Democrats seek to regulate said capital

            No, they aren’t.

            Serving capital does not mean we’re not a Democracy

            If you think that you live under a democracy, i.e. that your government’s decisions reflect your wishes, then you should be held accountable for the genocides and invasions that your state keeps committing.

            Attempting a coup of the government and disinformation does, however.

            The US suffering a coup would at worst not make anything worse, including in terms of ‘democracy’.

          • KatakiY@lemmy.world
            13·
            3 days ago

            No they want to appear to regulate capital. Most of the time they don’t actually want to regulate it. Yes they won’t be as overt as to do the massive wealth transfers they the republicans do . But they will. Who was president in 08 ? Who continued to dump money into our military contracts despite running as anti war?

            Like yeah the parties are different domestically but foreign policy wise the outcomes are usually the same.

            • PastafARRian@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              211·
              3 days ago

              Most right wing policies done by Democrats are necessary because of the electoral college. There is resistance from the right, and Democrats working within the unfair rules need to appease these swing state voters through compromise. Those compromises are ugly and unfair. It’s not usually because they want to appease billionaires. But definitely there is corruption on both sides. Just 10x as much on the right.

              • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
                92·
                2 days ago

                these swing state voters through compromise. Those compromises are ugly and unfair.

                Unless that compromise is “don’t commit genocide”, then they’ll happily abaondon the swing-state voters.

              • SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world
                81·
                2 days ago

                How did you quantity that 10x times?

                My best naïve estimate puts Democrats at 1.44-1.98x as corrupt.

                • PastafARRian@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                  28·
                  2 days ago

                  😂 I mean for one, the entire presidential election was purchased by a few rich people who used disinformation tactics. Then taxes for the rich were eradicated at the expense of everyone else. That’s the exact opposite of the Democrat’s political ideology. I should say 1000x. I’ll call it “orders of magnitude” instead.

                  So where did you get 1.98?

      • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
        274·
        3 days ago

        One side supports a criminal Nazi apologist who tried to overthrow our Democracy and hasn’t given up yet.

        And the other side commits genocide. It also overthrows other people’s democracy, but you don’t consider foreigners human.

    • crankyrebel@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      152·
      3 days ago

      We have to have two, to keep the masses fighting, thinking one will bring change the other can’t. It takes the eye off the ball from the oligarchs, industrial war machine, the three rogue letter spy agencies, and most of all the Zionist influence. Brain-dead voters will scream across the isle at each other, “but my candidate is slightly better than your candidate!” Logic has left the room.

    • zbyte64@awful.systems
      1022·
      3 days ago

      Except MAGA is not neoliberalism unless we think tariffs are now “free trade”. I get the point that neither party will wield power against capitalism, but they still use their power differently.

      • kreskin@lemmy.world
        5·
        2 days ago

        but they still use their power differently.

        Well…Do they though? On that pesky genocide (sorry I forgot–lets not call it ‘genocide’, right, that makes dems queasy-- how about we just say some people seem to have dropped dead), Bidens pretend “push back” and “negotiations” and “red lines” and “plans to build a dock to get food in and then hand it to the Israelis just like every single other land border crossing” all show that the dem centrists are simply mercenaries paid by zionists. mercenaries who take the time to put up some theatre for their evil so people dont have to acknowledge it, but the exact same outcomes happen either way. Most of the deaths and most of the building demolitions happened under Biden. When you and I start trying to parse if it was slightly faster under Trump, aren’t we missing the point?

        We lost Roe under Biden, who famously never supported a womans right to choose until right before he got tapped to be VP. Strange coincidence?

        Appointing Merrick Garland as AG and then pretending to be powerless while Garland proceeded to lean right and sit on his hands for 4 entire years is another example. As is cracking down on free speech. And what did Biden do in the wake of all the police murders that the defund and reallocate movement brought to his door? He said explicitly that he didnt agree with the massive movement on the left, and shut it down, actually increasing police funding as an extra “eff you” to the dem voters. Same as a republican would. Wheres this imagined difference?

        And Biden famously told rooms full of rich donors at the end of Trumps term that “nothing would fundamentally change” (from Trump’s first term) under him. This emncapsulates this whole discussion perfectly. Biden swearing to the rich that nothing will change, while pretending to run on change.

        This is the same Biden who shut down a rail strike, and then slowly over time negotiated a tiny fraction of what the strikers wanted, and then called it a victory on their behalf-- and then had the effing gall to walk a picket line for a photo op so his surrogates could trumpet how union-friendly he was. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/dec/01/joe-biden-rail-strike-labor-unions

        Same Biden who during his term bragged about being harder on immigration than Trump ever had been-- and wore it like a badge of honor that he’d “closed the southern border”. https://jacobin.com/2024/06/biden-asylum-executive-order-border

        Today centrist dems wont even admit there was ever any problem. So I guess you’d say we should change nothing and ignore the wildly eroding support and the poll numbers showing the democratic party has just 28% favorability?

        • zbyte64@awful.systems
          2·
          2 days ago

          So I guess you’d say we should change nothing and ignore the wildly eroding support and the poll numbers showing the democratic party has just 28% favorability?

          My brother in Christ, you’re not talking to a liberal here.

      • 小莱卡@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
        16·
        3 days ago

        Biden also implemented tariffs to China tho.

        Neoliberalism shouldn’t be seen as a doctrine but as a stage of capitalism, in which policies are shaped by the current context, with the intention of mantaining the current status quo. Free trade made sense for imperialist core countries because its industries were much ahead than the rest of the world, thus free trade made it easier to conquer international markets. Now that China has caught up, free trade fundamentalism is no longer the correct strategy.

  • bassomitron@lemmy.worldEnglish
    12456·
    3 days ago

    Don’t remember the last time the Democrats had military storming our streets and black bagging US residents en masse and deporting them to war zones like South Sudan or Libya despite those people having zero ties to those countries.

    This reeks of fucking shitpost right-wing propaganda.

    Edit: here come all the “but the US/CIA did all this fucked up stuff to other countries under Dems, too!”

    JFC, the current “president” who is GOP literally yells about wanting to deport/arrest political opponents, censor TV personalities (e.g. Colbert, Fallon, etc), openly calls to suppress political opposition in voting, openly supports ignoring the courts when they interfere with his blatantly unconstitutional actions, etc etc .

    Yes, the Dems aren’t fucking innocent, but to pretend they’re the same as a party that’s openly trying to “take back the Nazi word” is fucking insane.

    • mathemachristian[he]@lemmy.ml
      202·
      3 days ago

      Off the top off my head the national guard during the george floyd protest that got called in by tim walz. Even trump was “impressed”

          • bassomitron@lemmy.worldEnglish
            29·
            2 days ago

            People had literally burned down police stations and mass looting was occurring. Their police force was completely overrun. Don’t act like it was remotely the same thing.

            I have several friends in Minneapolis that are very progressive. There were tons of people who were legit scared during periods of that for numerous reasons. It wasn’t “acceptable,” but what the fuck else do you do when law and order begins to completely breakdown?

            • Saleh@feddit.org
              101·
              2 days ago

              Maybe reform the law and order that regularly lets Police murder citizens because they feel like it?

              You know, how the protestors demanded before their peaceful protest got beaten up in order to escalate violence to deligitimize the demands and present the violent police as necessary.

              • bassomitron@lemmy.worldEnglish
                22·
                2 days ago

                I don’t disagree. I was simply providing context, which the other comment I responded to wasn’t addressing.

            • mathemachristian[he]@lemmy.ml
              6·
              2 days ago

              It wasn’t “acceptable,” but what the fuck else do you do when law and order begins to completely breakdown?

              if it isn’t acceptable it isn’t acceptable period. “this was the only way” literally means that you think it was acceptable.

              • bassomitron@lemmy.worldEnglish
                12·
                2 days ago

                I put it in quotes because I wasn’t meaning it to be so exact.

                But whatever, I’m done arguing with enlightened centrists.

                • mathemachristian[he]@lemmy.ml
                  3·
                  2 days ago

                  So you do think the kidnapping off the streets into unmarked vans by the military was somewhat acceptable when the democrats called for it? At least have the gut to come out and say it

    • Kultronx@lemmygrad.ml
      23·
      3 days ago

      lmfao you americans are ignorant of your own history. do you honestly think ICE disappeared when Biden was in power? no it’s because people like Harris and their bootlickers like you were fine with it when the Top Cop was doing it, they were deporting in record numbers. i guess the black sites also disappeared too, right? typical american arrogance unable to see beyond party affiliation, they are all the same demon to us non-americans, the dems are just better at hiding it. you are the right winger_

    • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
      5414·
      4 days ago

      war zones like South Sudan or Libya despite those people having zero ties to those countries.

      Damn I wonder why Libya is like that!

      You absolute ghouls literally don’t see foreigners as human

      • mathemachristian[he]@lemmy.ml
        324·
        3 days ago

        I dont think there is a lib alive who remembers the dems role in the destruction of Libya other than those directly involved in it.

      • vfreire85@lemmy.ml
        162·
        3 days ago

        since the end of ww2 the two major coup d’états in brazil happened with direct support of the department of state and the cia under dem administration (johnson was in power in 64 and obama, with hillary clinton in charge of the department of state, in 2016). we’ve got a story or two to tell about them. if the regular lib doesn’t care about that, then the most natural thing for us is to consider both parties equally harmful and don’t give a damn over internal issues of the us and a.

    • SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world
      121·
      3 days ago

      the Democrats had military storming our streets and black bagging US residents en masse

      The Posse Comitatus Act is what generally prevents military from “black bagging US residents” and leaves that job to police.

      Texas was the first state to allow for the national guard to assist in immigration efforts back in 2021. Democrats did nothing to stop, delay or prevent the expansion of those powers which were further pushed and nationalized in 2025.

      The other loophole is invoking the insurrection act. While Biden did not involve it it was repeatedly threatened during the Gaza war protests, however the protests never got too riotous for the Dems to risk damaging their image and the local police were perfectly capable of documenting and black bagging people for it.

      The cases of Kahlil and Mahdawi where Trump attended to deport individuals participating in those protests was made possible by the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952. That specific bill was introduced by the Democrats, passed the Democratic majority House and Senate, Vetoed by Democratic president Truman before being overridden by the house/Senate.

      You are correct that they are “not the same”, but stating that the shield of your enemy is your friend, just because it isn’t a sword is fucking insane.

    • Zerush@lemmy.ml
      7·
      3 days ago

      The problem is that both parties are right wings, only one somewhat more extreme. Both defends the rights of big corporations, billonairs and less or nothing those of the rest of the people. Public services, labor rights and even basic rights, like health and education are a bad joke in the US and only available if you have money. Now with Trump it goes even worse.

    • OrteilGenou@lemmy.world
      72·
      3 days ago

      They’re not the same. The Dems stand back and shake their fist/wring their hands when the Repubs have power and run roughshod over them. Then when the Dems have power they allow their efforts to be thwarted by the Repubs and gesture helplessly when in fact they could just push things through themselves.

      Also the DNC is a malfunctioning toilet that costs elections, implying that they think it’s better to have a pro-establishment Repub in power than a Dem maverick.

      • piefood@feddit.onlineEnglish
        101·
        3 days ago

        Yeah, wouldn’t want to consume any true, but politically inconvenient posts
        /s

      • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
        228·
        3 days ago

        Everything except complete submission to the US State department reeks of Russian propaganda to .worlders

  • ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
    9450·
    4 days ago

    Democrats

    • Retain marriage rights for gay couples.

    • Expand legality of recreational drugs.

    • Free food for schoolchildren.

    • Tax credits for families with children.

    • Subsidized for free childcare.

    • Expand electric car charging nationally.

    • Subsidize sustainable fuel sources.

    • Fact based education standards.

    • Stop racism in policing.

    • Expanded healthcare subsidies.

    • Preserve democracy.

    Republicans

    • Being gay or trans should be illegal.

    • White supremacy is great!

    • Christianity as national religion.

    • Privatize the post office and weather service.

    *Eliminate the EPA, Department of Education.

    • Defund IRS.

    • Disenfranchise nonwhites and women.

    • Antivax agenda.

    • Expand fossil fuel use.

    • Eliminate worker safety laws.

    • Eliminate collective bargaining and union rights.

    • Defunding science research.

    • Deregulate crypto.

    • No regulations on AI.

    • No recognition of child’s educational or bodily autonomy rights.

    • Eliminate hate crime laws except for straight white men.

    • End democracy, install fascist dictatorship.

    But yeah, they are totally the same, right guys? RIGHT!?!

    • piefood@feddit.onlineEnglish
      487·
      3 days ago

      I think you dropped this:

      Democrats & Republicans

      • Bombed kids
      • Tortured innocent people
      • Increased the surveillance state
      • Took money from the poor and working class, and gave it to their rich friends
      • Spent billions on wars, while claiming that they couldn’t afford to fix our healthcare or housing problems
      • Boasted about deporting more people than Republicans
      • Backed a Genocide
    • TrippyFocus@lemmy.ml
      7316·
      4 days ago

      Fact based education standards.

      Teaching a bunch of lies about American exceptionalism and how imperialism is actually good isn’t what I’d call “fact based”

      Stop racism in policing

      Right like how democrats in nearly all major cities increased police funding and almost none passed any meaningful reform.

      Expanded healthcare subsidies

      But don’t remotely consider universal healthcare

      Preserve democracy

      Preserve the status quo which I wouldn’t call a democracy. A democracy enacts the will of the people, democrats don’t even have a democratic primary for their own party.

        • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
          81·
          3 days ago

          Literally fucking half of the shit you attribute to democrats.

          Stop racism in policing.

          Start here. This is a fucking lie and you’re practically a nazi for whitewashing them

          • ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
            11·
            20 hours ago

            Its not a lie. The legal progress towards this has come from Democrats. Yeah, it’s not enough and it’s been too long coming. Still, look at which states passed laws on chokeholds and which states passed laws allowing people to run over protesters, then tell me there is no difference in the parties.

            • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
              21·
              20 hours ago

              You’re too easily impressed with the most superficial bullshit possible. The difference you highlighted is purely symbolic on both sides. As if cops are restrained by the law in the first place. Both parties have the exact same policy on policing and your ‘good guys’ are almost exclusively the ones in charge of the cities that actually run those police departments. All they do is give them more funding. And to confound people like you they engage in ‘liberal box checking’ where they ‘do something’ that changes absolutely nothing structurally. And then you turn around and defend these murderers like they’re the good guys. You’re a boob.

              • ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
                1·
                8 hours ago

                Not allowing choke holds isn’t superficial. Body cams aren’t superficial. They cut down on police use of force and citizen complaints. They also cost money. Better trained police costs money. Sending out social workers with police on domestic calls costs money ,and makes a huge difference in the quality of policing.

                The only substantial reduction in policing cost is cutting back on the drug war and most left leaning states are doing that. (Reducing numbers of police would do it but most states have similar per capita number of police as Europe).

                There is no doubt we have a long way to go on police reform, but to say there has been no progress simply isn’t true.

    • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
      2312·
      4 days ago

      You’ve certainly whitewashed Dems quite a lot. You’re fundamentally not wrong though. As bad as the Dems are, and they are very bad, MAGA is undeniably worse. If we had some other electoral system, we could safely explore other options. But we don’t. We have FPTP, which makes it a binary choice between bad and worse.

      And worse is just so, so much worse. That doesn’t make bad good, but it’s still a binary choice. You’d have to be evil or stupid to try to muddy the waters so that bad seems close enough to worse that people don’t feel the urgency of choosing bad to prevent worse.

      • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1711·
        4 days ago

        The lesser evil choice is whichever hastens the collapse of your monstrous, genocidal empire

      • ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
        25·
        3 days ago

        Dems can be convinced to try other election systems besides FPTP because they fundamentally believe in democracy. From my perspective, fixing things without violence is still an option with Dems. It isn’t with Republicans.

        • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
          81·
          2 days ago

          because they fundamentally believe in democracy.

          Westerners will go on and on about how North Koreans are brainwashed to worship their leaders, then say shit like this.

          fixing things without violence

          Apparently doing the modern holocaust doesn’t’ count as “violence” to white supremacist BlueMAGA fascists.

        • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
          31·
          3 days ago

          I’m hoping Musk gets some momentum with his third party. Either it splits the Republican vote and slows down this freefall into fascism, or he dumps tons of resources into promoting some variety of RCV. Either way, that’s a net benefit in my eyes.

    • Zerush@lemmy.ml
      15·
      2 days ago

      Well, Democrats are the less evil choice, but all this is peanuts compared to EU social standard, I see here in Spain often US tourists which thinks they are in the future, IN SPAIN, with the rights, services and the freedom people has. Even with the US Democrates, it’s compared like the EU fifty years ago.

    • only_in_ohio@sh.itjust.works
      26·
      3 days ago

      Those memes are just contributing to the issue of young people skipping the elections, and then complaining about our leaders being stupid

      • piefood@feddit.onlineEnglish
        10·
        3 days ago

        Well, then maybe the Democrats should fix that, by putting out candidates that young people actually want to vote for.

      • Zerush@lemmy.ml
        5·
        2 days ago

        No, even the US has more parties than only those two. In Spain we also had a two party system a lot of years ago, but this changed when the people begone to vote also for other parties than those two, with this we have now several different parties, that makes that there have to create aliances to obtain the mayority do be able to govern, so corresponding more on the reallity of the needs of the people, out of this black and white scheme (or better bright and dark grey). In the US is needed that also enter left wing parties, which represent the basic rights of the people, which currently don’t exist, because they are “anti-american communists”, this is the mantra with which they create the fear in the people to vote it.

        • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
          71·
          2 days ago

          I’m sure repeatedly telling people they need to shut up and never criticize The Party will really reduce apathy.

          • ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
            11·
            20 hours ago

            Criticize all you want. Just recognize there is a difference between a less than ideal party and literal Nazis

            • piefood@feddit.onlineEnglish
              2·
              15 hours ago

              Voters: “Please stop bombing children”, “Please stop backing a genocide”, “Please stop handing out our taxes to your rich friends”, “Please stop making healthcare the number one reason for bankruptcy”, “Please stop sending people to torture prisons”, “Please make minimum wage a livable wage”

              “…less than ideal party…”

              I think you might have a warped view of what “less than ideal” means

              • ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
                13·
                20 hours ago

                I hate it but it’s happening no matter who is in power. Best we can do is a party who isn’t going to throw immigrants in concentration camps.

                • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  2·
                  20 hours ago

                  If you think that committing a modern holocaust is “less than ideal” you belong in a concentration camp.

            • kreskin@lemmy.world
              1·
              18 hours ago

              I wouldnt say a party of genocide supporters who love to kick progressives in the face and dont seem to give 2 shites what their voters want and need, and who have a wildly eroding base and 28% approval doesnt qualify as a:

              good choice

              But I guess if thats what you think I’m not going to change your mind.

              • ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
                1·
                8 hours ago

                There’s only two choices under the current system and the other one is kidnapping people to put in concentration camps right now. The only chance to change the current system without open armed conflict is the Democrats.

                • kreskin@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  40 minutes ago

                  I think its time to start looking past democrats as possible agents of change. Justice delayed is justice denied, and the AIPAC centrists are firmly in control and not about to change anything. Rallying behind them just guarantees more loss, at the cost of enabling their corruption. Their base has already left to the point that they cant win anything. They have a 28% approval rating.

  • humanspiral@lemmy.ca
    181·
    3 days ago

    DNC is a huge problem with America as was Biden/Garland. They need/needed Trump to not fall out of a window, or be in military jail, in order for the most warmongering neocon DNC candidates to ensure warmongering. After Oct 7th, DNC’s Israel first “job is to gaslight the left into supporting Israel”, meant ensuring Trump’s win, and today, have their elected Zionist supremacists, repeat attacks of communism on Mamdani.

    On global warming, forcing a proxy war on Russia, not only enriches domestic oil companies to fund climate denial. pushing global diesel (home heating fuel same fraction) refining capacity to limit, with massive emissions from war, it also means no cooperation with Russia possible on global warming. It is simply impossible to prioritize human sustainability, if voters are made to support war, while struggling with the economic collapse directly accelerated by it, not to mention cultural divisiveness issues (not DNC/Biden fault).

    The US needs either a military coup, or candidates/party that will remove citizenship and assets of Zionist oligarchy influencing US rulership. If money is speech, then money is terrorism.