• ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
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    Democrats

    • Retain marriage rights for gay couples.

    • Expand legality of recreational drugs.

    • Free food for schoolchildren.

    • Tax credits for families with children.

    • Subsidized for free childcare.

    • Expand electric car charging nationally.

    • Subsidize sustainable fuel sources.

    • Fact based education standards.

    • Stop racism in policing.

    • Expanded healthcare subsidies.

    • Preserve democracy.

    Republicans

    • Being gay or trans should be illegal.

    • White supremacy is great!

    • Christianity as national religion.

    • Privatize the post office and weather service.

    *Eliminate the EPA, Department of Education.

    • Defund IRS.

    • Disenfranchise nonwhites and women.

    • Antivax agenda.

    • Expand fossil fuel use.

    • Eliminate worker safety laws.

    • Eliminate collective bargaining and union rights.

    • Defunding science research.

    • Deregulate crypto.

    • No regulations on AI.

    • No recognition of child’s educational or bodily autonomy rights.

    • Eliminate hate crime laws except for straight white men.

    • End democracy, install fascist dictatorship.

    But yeah, they are totally the same, right guys? RIGHT!?!

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      I think you dropped this:

      Democrats & Republicans

      • Bombed kids
      • Tortured innocent people
      • Increased the surveillance state
      • Took money from the poor and working class, and gave it to their rich friends
      • Spent billions on wars, while claiming that they couldn’t afford to fix our healthcare or housing problems
      • Boasted about deporting more people than Republicans
      • Backed a Genocide
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      Fact based education standards.

      Teaching a bunch of lies about American exceptionalism and how imperialism is actually good isn’t what I’d call “fact based”

      Stop racism in policing

      Right like how democrats in nearly all major cities increased police funding and almost none passed any meaningful reform.

      Expanded healthcare subsidies

      But don’t remotely consider universal healthcare

      Preserve democracy

      Preserve the status quo which I wouldn’t call a democracy. A democracy enacts the will of the people, democrats don’t even have a democratic primary for their own party.

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          Literally fucking half of the shit you attribute to democrats.

          Stop racism in policing.

          Start here. This is a fucking lie and you’re practically a nazi for whitewashing them

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            Its not a lie. The legal progress towards this has come from Democrats. Yeah, it’s not enough and it’s been too long coming. Still, look at which states passed laws on chokeholds and which states passed laws allowing people to run over protesters, then tell me there is no difference in the parties.

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              You’re too easily impressed with the most superficial bullshit possible. The difference you highlighted is purely symbolic on both sides. As if cops are restrained by the law in the first place. Both parties have the exact same policy on policing and your ‘good guys’ are almost exclusively the ones in charge of the cities that actually run those police departments. All they do is give them more funding. And to confound people like you they engage in ‘liberal box checking’ where they ‘do something’ that changes absolutely nothing structurally. And then you turn around and defend these murderers like they’re the good guys. You’re a boob.

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                Not allowing choke holds isn’t superficial. Body cams aren’t superficial. They cut down on police use of force and citizen complaints. They also cost money. Better trained police costs money. Sending out social workers with police on domestic calls costs money ,and makes a huge difference in the quality of policing.

                The only substantial reduction in policing cost is cutting back on the drug war and most left leaning states are doing that. (Reducing numbers of police would do it but most states have similar per capita number of police as Europe).

                There is no doubt we have a long way to go on police reform, but to say there has been no progress simply isn’t true.

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      You’ve certainly whitewashed Dems quite a lot. You’re fundamentally not wrong though. As bad as the Dems are, and they are very bad, MAGA is undeniably worse. If we had some other electoral system, we could safely explore other options. But we don’t. We have FPTP, which makes it a binary choice between bad and worse.

      And worse is just so, so much worse. That doesn’t make bad good, but it’s still a binary choice. You’d have to be evil or stupid to try to muddy the waters so that bad seems close enough to worse that people don’t feel the urgency of choosing bad to prevent worse.

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        The lesser evil choice is whichever hastens the collapse of your monstrous, genocidal empire

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        Dems can be convinced to try other election systems besides FPTP because they fundamentally believe in democracy. From my perspective, fixing things without violence is still an option with Dems. It isn’t with Republicans.

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          because they fundamentally believe in democracy.

          Westerners will go on and on about how North Koreans are brainwashed to worship their leaders, then say shit like this.

          fixing things without violence

          Apparently doing the modern holocaust doesn’t’ count as “violence” to white supremacist BlueMAGA fascists.

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          I’m hoping Musk gets some momentum with his third party. Either it splits the Republican vote and slows down this freefall into fascism, or he dumps tons of resources into promoting some variety of RCV. Either way, that’s a net benefit in my eyes.

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      Well, Democrats are the less evil choice, but all this is peanuts compared to EU social standard, I see here in Spain often US tourists which thinks they are in the future, IN SPAIN, with the rights, services and the freedom people has. Even with the US Democrates, it’s compared like the EU fifty years ago.

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      Those memes are just contributing to the issue of young people skipping the elections, and then complaining about our leaders being stupid

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        Well, then maybe the Democrats should fix that, by putting out candidates that young people actually want to vote for.

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        No, even the US has more parties than only those two. In Spain we also had a two party system a lot of years ago, but this changed when the people begone to vote also for other parties than those two, with this we have now several different parties, that makes that there have to create aliances to obtain the mayority do be able to govern, so corresponding more on the reallity of the needs of the people, out of this black and white scheme (or better bright and dark grey). In the US is needed that also enter left wing parties, which represent the basic rights of the people, which currently don’t exist, because they are “anti-american communists”, this is the mantra with which they create the fear in the people to vote it.

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          I’m sure repeatedly telling people they need to shut up and never criticize The Party will really reduce apathy.

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            Criticize all you want. Just recognize there is a difference between a less than ideal party and literal Nazis

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              Voters: “Please stop bombing children”, “Please stop backing a genocide”, “Please stop handing out our taxes to your rich friends”, “Please stop making healthcare the number one reason for bankruptcy”, “Please stop sending people to torture prisons”, “Please make minimum wage a livable wage”

              “…less than ideal party…”

              I think you might have a warped view of what “less than ideal” means

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                I hate it but it’s happening no matter who is in power. Best we can do is a party who isn’t going to throw immigrants in concentration camps.

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                  If you think that committing a modern holocaust is “less than ideal” you belong in a concentration camp.

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              I wouldnt say a party of genocide supporters who love to kick progressives in the face and dont seem to give 2 shites what their voters want and need, and who have a wildly eroding base and 28% approval doesnt qualify as a:

              good choice

              But I guess if thats what you think I’m not going to change your mind.

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                There’s only two choices under the current system and the other one is kidnapping people to put in concentration camps right now. The only chance to change the current system without open armed conflict is the Democrats.

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                  I think its time to start looking past democrats as possible agents of change. Justice delayed is justice denied, and the AIPAC centrists are firmly in control and not about to change anything. Rallying behind them just guarantees more loss, at the cost of enabling their corruption. Their base has already left to the point that they cant win anything. They have a 28% approval rating.