The homeowner told police the two men said they were police and claimed they were at the home to serve a warrant.
[The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they’re masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.
At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.
The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.
Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.
Someone tell the fascist brownshirts that work for ICE that.
Id rather they didn’t.
Finally, some good wholesome news
The solution is more guns don’t you know!
I feel the headline should have noted that he shot in response to them shooting through his goddamn door first.
Journalistic reflex; cops are always innocent.
BREONNA TAYLOR, member her? Just a raid gone wrong
I dont think it matters. The title conveys the idea that they weren’t police. I think you could claim self defense just by that. No one that wants you to open the door falsely claiming to be policie is NOT going to hurt you
It’s a huge difference. It may not seem different to you and I, but shooting someone who shoots you first is more universally viewed as acceptable self defense than only shooting people claiming to be police in skimasks on your doorstep. The headline buries the lede.
Probably realised they weren’t real police because they knocked rather than just kicked his door in and shot his dog.
Thanks for the advice, the next assassin team we send will just skip the door knocking.
Quote "Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks. "
So law enforcement just went on record saying ICE agents with masks are not actually law enforcement.
I feel like if someone dressed up as ice and joined in a raid only to cause internal chaos could deeply hinder the operations of ICE as they all become suspicious of each other and lose trust in their team.
I have a prediction: the more professional and organized members of ICE would actually be foreign agents, causing problems at key points. Say, for example, “vanishing” unfriendly politicians. ICE is the perfect cover: Low recruitment standards, no regulation, bounties for those times you need to get money, and no one able to ask questions.
It would be the chaotic and unprofessional members of ICE that are native to the USA. Those would be just into ICE for the money and racism, not patriotism to their nation. This will become a “Lions Led by Donkeys” episode in a decade or two.
Why would they need to be ‘foreign’(
Why would you think it’s only foreign agents who would use ICE as cover to disappear politicians they don’t like?
I don’t. However, it is the most obvious way for other nations to attack America without drawing attention. Hopefully, the same vulnerability would also allow the John Browns of our time to crack open concentration centers from the inside.
It’s so badly organised and chaotic anyway they wouldn’t even notice
Fair point. My girlfriend is Irish and compared them to the black and tans.
They wear neck gaiters.
Good. Keep your home safe. I’m not big on how guns are handled in the US, but your home is your home, and law enforcement must be clearly identifiable.
No details on the nationality of the homeowner? I wonder if they are Hispanic. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if some MAGA zealots tried to play ICE and it turned out like this.
Nice.
Doesn’t surprise me that this sort of this is starting to take off in Houston.
Hope the homeowner is acquitted of any wrongdoing or damages in court.
It’s texas. He’ll probably get a medal or something from his local law enforcement and a round of talk shows on fox if the colors line up with what fox likes/doesn’t like.
I’d say you’re right, but the kidnappers were cops.
Yeah not offilicially, but they had masks and guns and ill intent and were claiming the titled, so cop unions will pressure prosecutors to go hard.
I’m from the area. It all depends on how white and Republican you are. They stack the Grand Juries with “respectable members” of the community (white, male business owners typically) who no-bill white folk for killing minorities.
In a very public case, a white small business owner/homeowner shot 2 unarmed minorities in the back, killing both as they fled a neighbor’s house. They never stepped on the killer’s property and never threatened anyone. The homeowner called 911 and said he was going to kill them and get away with it. The operator said not to shoot and to go inside because police were just seconds away, and he killed them anyway.
The grand jury refused to let the prosecutor take the case to trial because killing black people is a public benefit in their eyes.
So the families of the victims sued the killer, and the state responded by outlawwing civil suits over any case involving a firearm that didn’t first include a felony conviction.
So I looked up the case for anyone’s edification what happened is 2 pieces of human garbage were robbing his neighbor and running away with bags of their valuables. Aside from being robbers they had criminal convictions in Columbia for drug trafficking.
When confronted by the shotgun wielding neighbor the dangerous drug trafficking robbers refused his order for them to stop and one ran onto the neighbor’s yard TOWARDS the shotgun wielding neighbor and the other ran away. He shot both.
Quoth the shooter
Horn, to dispatcher: “I had no choice. They came in the front yard with me, man. I had no choice.”
Because of this the rest of the neighborhood wasn’t victimized by drug dealing robbers breaking into their houses. Nobody ultimately had a run in with scumbags because someone was home when the robbers thought the place was empty. Nobodies family members got murdered to avoid leaving witnesses. Nobodies sanctity got violated.
But don’t worry the New Black Panthers protested the scumbags deaths and threatened the fellow making their entire side look deranged and unreasonable when there are plenty of bad shoots by trigger happy cops perpetrated against actually innocent victims they could have been focusing on.
The shooter told 911 they were coming at him, after basically saying he wanted to go kill them. The police officer who witnessed the killing said they were fleeing and that he shot them in the back.
I’m not some anti-gun dude. I own over 50 guns and used to work in the industry.
But that motherfucker should be in jail. Non-violent criminals don’t deserve the death penalty - least of all from some psycho neighbor who has a hard-on for violence and essentially announces his intent to kill before going outside and killing.
This definitely shows a lot of perspective, thank you!
I really wish people looked at these cases more objectively, considering the humans involved and not simply:
“How can I paint this to forward my narrative obsession of the moment?”
It’s like our entire society is based around social media clout farming. I know weaponized reporting is nothing new, but sheesh.
I wouldn’t feel I had much choice either, if someone who just robbed a neighbor was charging at me in the dark. Suddenly after the fact, the internet is chock full of experts in ballistics and self defense law.
But you’re right, it definitely defeated a future threat to the neighborhood residents. I haaaaate suburban Rambo Nextdoor toughguys as much as the next reasonable person, but this doesn’t sound like that.
There’s plenty of systemic issues to tackle around crime, but breaking into peoples’ homes to loot and potentially harm them is always a choice carrying a significant weight of FAFO.
Saying non-violent burglars and drug users deserve to die because Joe really wanted an excuse to kill isn’t exactly objective.
The only witness to the killing was a plainclothes officer who said he shot people in the back while fleeing.
Stealing shit isn’t a capital offense. As a society, we decided long ago that even a judge and jury can’t kill someone for burglary. Why is it okay when the psycho neighbor who isn’t even a victim does it?
as they fled a neighbor’s house
Were they leaving a neighbors house or were they in fact fleeing from robbing the neighbors house.
They had been burglarizing the neighbor’s empty house and were leaving.
That isn’t worth killing over.
It appears that it wouldn’t speak to cases that were never brought it would only immunize them if the grand jury is sought and declines to indict OR the case is dismissed rather than requiring a conviction to bring the suit.
This means they can’t opt out of liability by ignoring the case. This doesn’t appear on its face to be bad law. If Texan’s decline to indict when they ought to then that not the law is the issue.
Likewise if its even possible to stack the jury that again is the problem not the law.
No. It applies to all civil suits regarding gun crime.
It effectively raises the standards of civil suits when guns are involved, which are not supposed to be the same as criminal.
Damn, that’s all incredibly fucked up
If it was cops or ICE, everything else the same, they would definitely be in custody on a $100 million bond and charged with murder and terrorism.
So long as he’s not brown or poor.
Circle pattern the door and your bound to hit the bastards. Glad to read the mask is backfiring.
HPD Detective Kyle Stringer told Choi… that real officers do not wear ski masks.
🤔
Detective Stringer doesn’t watch the news.
Detective Stringer makes a well calculated statement about his stance on ICE.
Sounds like he could be having an awakening.
Hope his brothers don’t turn on him.
This is why is a good idea to have an armed citizenry and well-regulated militias operating with transparency.
I agree, and I still feel much of our country’s gun safety issues are educational and cultural issues, rather than permission itself.
I do NOT believe in mandatory military service, but I do think our citizens should be much better taught in how to be useful, reasonably disciplined, and coordinated human beings, to themselves and others. This shouldn’t be just “soldier training.”
Emergency management, wound care, and team coordination should not be “specialized training.” Then maybe sense would become more common and organized, sane militias would be viable.
Instead, things like “wearing a mask above your nose” and “not shooting yourself in the foot” are excused by “lack of specialized training.” Good Lord, I weep for the species.
Human beings are incredibly capable, and on the whole we’ve let ourselves be domesticated into consumer cattle…
I believe education is constantly gutted by these loons WHILE they push the gun-religion and rugged-individualist narrative so that the uneducated 'muricans FEEL tough, but stay effectively powerless to coordinate a resistance to actual tyranny.
Hell, they can’t even recognize it right in front of them anymore, or in their hearts and minds.
But hey, let’s keep our chins up! Maybe leftist gun ownership will be a cool symbol of freedom now, and we can openly mock the neolib “only cops should be able to protect you” disarmament fairytale.
Transparency?
Transparency: noun. The quality of being done in an open way without secrets.
Example: “the DHHS office was being operated without any transparency. That is until we walked in on the Secretary in the conference room fully nude, savagely defiling the corpses of various large mammals as he quaffed a goblet of raw sewage water.”
Sorry this has to be spelled out for you, but I was questioning what he meant by transparency as it applies to the subject.
Good for the homeowner. Any “law enforcement officer” who hide their faces and wont show ID are probably acting criminally and they should not be tolerated by society.
