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  • I’ve had that argument presented to me and gone with “you would rather they suffer? Maybe die?”

    If they’re nominally Christian it’s kind of an easy shot (good Samaritan, sheep and the goats), but I have to avoid making them feel like shit (because their position is shit and they deserve to feel bad). But by framing us as both believers in some of jesus’ teachings, they can see me as in-group and might actually listen. I’m not really a Christian scholar though so I’d probably lose an argument with someone who’s ready to bring down some prosperity gospel or actually knows any scripture.

    Even without Christianity, engaging on “why should they suffer and die over the happenstance of their birth location? If the situation was reversed, what would you prefer happen to you?” Making it about them is usually a good move.

    “Well I’d go through the proper channels”

    “Cool. Your asylum claim is denied. Now what?”


  • Right. But it doesn’t matter that much that they’re fake problems because people believe in them, and act as if they’re real. So when asked “do you want to vote for nationalized health care / unions / whatever”, some people will say no because of these nonsense reasons.

    Telling them it’s a false conscienceness isn’t going to convince them.

    The main thing, maybe the only thing, that matters is emotion. And that means in-group over out-group. Facts and figures won’t overcome “OUT GROUP BAD”.

    You’d have to get them to see the black/femme/whatever as part of their in-group, and that’s pretty hard.







  • I don’t think there are good arguments for eating meat, and I think people get mad at vegans because of the cognitive dissonance. “If eating meat is bad, and I eat meat, then I’m bad. But I’m not bad! They must be bad! They suck!”

    Sometimes you see this with other things. Like if someone walks or takes a bike instead of driving for the environment. “If driving is bad for the environment, and I do a lot of driving, I’m doing bad. But I’m a good person! Fuck them for making me feel bad!”

    Most people are just large children.

    Sometimes people try to justify eating meat. Some reasons are more defensible than others. Someone with severe allergies might have trouble getting nutrition from vegan options. Someone saying “but I enjoy it” is acting like a child.

    In short, most people are operating mostly on emotional levels. Facts don’t really matter. Feelings drive them. I think this is the root of most of our problems, honestly, that people can’t put aside their emotions.

    Personally, I try to minimize how much meat I eat, but I’m okay with accepting sometimes I do bad things.