• Flying Squid@lemmy.world
    43453·
    5 months ago

    Any moment now, the ‘don’t vote for Biden’ group will be in here telling us not to vote for Harris. And if it isn’t Harris, they’ll tell us not to vote for whoever it is.

    Anything but stop the dictator and his plan to commit genocide against Latinos and queer people.

    • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod@lemmy.worldEnglish
      966·
      5 months ago

      Even if Trump wasn’t going to do awful things, I can’t stand his stupid face or his stupid voice or his stupid stupidity. That’s enough to vote for someone who’ll beat him.

      • Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        221·
        5 months ago

        Get out of my head. I only watch late night talk shows on Youtube now just so I can skip past any Trump video. I hate that guy so much it makes my jaw hurt whenever I see his image.

        Edit: I wish I could vote against him.

      • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
        143·
        5 months ago

        No. It absolutely isn’t. I was too young to vote in the 2000 election, but Gore had the same stupid face, long drawn out speech paterns, and general unlikability.

        However, his policies, and his message were good. I would have voted for him despite his stupid face, because of him being the better candidate.

        I FULLY understand people hating trump…but I underatand the hate because trump is a piece of shit. I get why trump is hated for his bad policies. I get why people hate having a criminal in the white house.

        But to say that if a candidate were good for the position, but you hate their face and voice, I wouldn’t understand that.

        • aStonedSanta@lemm.ee
          111·
          5 months ago

          Yeah but Gore did win that election. It was stolen from him. Just like Bernie won the DNC nomination and it was stolen from him. Fuck the DNC. But fuck the RNC harder.

          • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
            5·
            5 months ago

            This is the kind of comment that makes me angry, while I agree with all of it. It’s a weird feeling to be yelling “YEAH I AGREE WITH THAT!!! RAAAAHHH!!!”

    • PythagreousTitties@lemm.eeEnglish
      419·
      5 months ago

      I’m really hoping if Harris still has to be on the ticket that she’ll stay VP. It would be nice to have a decent prez option.

      But I’ll be voting anti trump either way.

    • JimSamtanko@lemm.ee
      219·
      5 months ago

      Absolutely they will. When the gEnOciDe stopped working/got boring, they switched to- oLd!

      Give it a day, they’ll have their reasons not to vote for her too.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
        143·
        5 months ago

        Someone already replied to me saying that unless the Democrats produce a “non genocide-loving candidate,” don’t vote for them.

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
            171·
            5 months ago

            And not just genocide overseas. Trump has made his position on immigrants and queer people very clear. And if anyone thinks ‘immigrants’ won’t include brown people that are native-born citizens who don’t happen to have the right ID on them, you’re wrong.

        • JimSamtanko@lemm.ee
          91·
          5 months ago

          Of course they did. Because MAGA won’t be happy until there are no democratic voters.

          • Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works
            41·
            5 months ago

            No democracy either. They want an authoritarian dictatorship because they don’t believe they’ll be the ones hurt by it.

        • Djtecha@lemm.ee
          71·
          5 months ago

          Bots bots and more bots. I assume all of that garbage is coming from a room full of shoulder to shoulder ruskies

    • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
      165·
      5 months ago

      Harris isn’t ideal, but she’s an improvement. She’s less on board with genocide than Bidenyahu, and she can fog a mirror.

      Vote for Harris. Don’t make the party regret listening.

    • Maggoty@lemmy.world
      112·
      5 months ago

      Hi, I think you’ve seen me in enough places saying not to vote for Biden.

      Go vote for Harris.

    • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.eeEnglish
      118·
      5 months ago

      You wanna know how to shut those people up? Replace First Past The Post voting with something like Ranked Choice voting. Then they would have to make their own party and show us how it’s done. (No spoiler effect to)

    • FlexibleToast@lemmy.world
      713·
      5 months ago

      Cool strawman you’re beating up. I think the majority of us that didn’t want Biden is because he didn’t have a good path to victory. We didn’t want to just stand by and watch the train wreck happen. Harris isn’t much better, but at least she is better, and I will be on board with that of that’s who is chosen. I would rather see Whitmer be on the top of the ticket though.

    • Tryptaminev@lemm.ee
      553·
      5 months ago

      The criterion is very simple: Don’t vote for genocide committers, enablers or planners. That excludes Biden and Trump.

      If the Dems manage to produce a non genocide loving candidate, then vote vote vote and drag everyone who will vote for the non genocide candidate to the polling station.

      • GoddessNoAi@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
        331·
        5 months ago

        “I’d rather let someone who actively, aggressively advocates, enables, and wants genocide domestically and abroad to win the presidency, over voting for somebody who passively enables genocide to happen abroad because actively trying to stop it could ignite WWIII” is still a bad take.

        It’s baffling and hypocritical.

        • Tryptaminev@lemm.ee
          326·
          5 months ago

          It is hypocritical to delude yourself into believing voting for genocide is somehow not approving genocide. And i hardly doubt that stopping Israel from committing genocide in Gaza would ignite WW3.

          If you mistake it for Ukraine, think about all the help Ukraine is not getting so Israel can get it instead. Dozens of Billions in Weapons to slaughter a civillian population instead of helping Ukraine defend itself against Russias invasion.

          • GoddessNoAi@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
            21·
            5 months ago

            I’m not deluding myself about anything. The choice isn’t “vote for or against genocide” it’s “act to get less or more genocide”. It’s not a false dichotomy; if you’re not voting to defeat Trump, then you’re acting to get more genocide.

            By not acting to defeat Trump, you’re enabling genocide more than Biden ever has.

            • Lyrl@lemm.eeEnglish
              18·
              5 months ago

              In some takes on the trolley problem (do nothing, five people are run over by a trolley an die, flip a track change switch and two people are run over by a trolley and die) flipping the switch is the morally worse option because then those two people’s deaths are your fault, whereas the five people who die because you did nothing are someone else’s fault. I don’t agree with that take, but it’s taken seriously in philosophy circles.

      • Lyrl@lemm.eeEnglish
        417·
        5 months ago

        I don’t get how in the Levant, where both Hamas and the Israelis have significant factions that want to genocide the other people, a situation where Hamas does the genociding (because an Israel without attack capability de facto also loses defense capability) is somehow more moral than a situation where Israel does it.

        • Tryptaminev@lemm.ee
          133·
          5 months ago

          You are making multiple false assumptions in there. The first being that 2.000 pound bombs are somehow “defensive”. The next being that a 30.000 fighters Hamas would somehow genocide all of the settlers, despite their army having hundreds of thousands of members. Then it goes further with this idea, that they want to eradicate them, when all they want is to get their land back. The settlers always have the options to leave and go back to their home countries. Meanwhile Israel as a settler colonial project has to commit genocide to complete itself because as long as a Palestinian people exists, it will demand to get back to its rightful land. Finally you are wrong about the reasons why people in Palestine support violence. They do so, because it is the only thing protecting them from annihilation. For Israelis it is a mix between believing, they need to commit genocide as being the perpetrator protects them from being the victims, classic imperialist greed and a big portion of racism and fascism.

          But in the end Israel will destroy itself from within as all fascist states do eventually. The question is how many more people the US helps them to murder in the meantime.

  • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
    2491·
    5 months ago

    An aside, I hate that this was posted to twitter before it was posted to Biden’s own website or the White House’s website first.

    • Psythik@lemmy.world
      70·
      5 months ago

      This is why the internet sucks now. Nobody maintains their own websites anymore. These days everybody just posts everything on the same handful of centralized megacorp websites. Social media killed the golden age of the web.

        • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
          2·
          5 months ago

          This is essentially a very fancy forum. I wouldn’t expect corporations or politicians to be posting here. Maybe they could host their own instance and federate. In principle, that would mean they’re paying for their own hosting and have control over their message being altered.

    • jeffw@lemmy.worldM
      7·
      5 months ago

      My first reaction was that he was hacked. It wasn’t on official letterhead, there was no other announcement, and the president didn’t immediately make another tweet/x/whatever.

      I don’t think I’m alone. Typically when something big like this happens, I get 5-10 news alerts within minutes of each other from various sources. The alerts were slow to roll in today.

  • TechAnon@lemm.ee
    2273·
    5 months ago

    WHAT AM I GOING TO DO WITH ALL MY BIDEN HATS, FLAGS, T-SHIRTS, AND STICKERS?!

    /Just kidding - not in a cult 😅

    • Altomes@lemm.ee
      534·
      5 months ago

      As a very vocal Biden hater I’ll stomach Kamela far better and would be thrilled for someone else

      • Xhieron@lemmy.worldEnglish
        13108·
        5 months ago

        Stomach isn’t enough. If you’re not actively campaigning and donating for her–or whomever the candidate is–then you may as well have been a Republican.

        EDIT: Nevermind. Clearly the hivemind wants to stay in our armchairs. Who can blame us, right? We’ll continue this conversation in November. I hope it’s not I-told-you-so.

          • Xhieron@lemmy.worldEnglish
            228·
            5 months ago

            Squid, I appreciate your contributions to putting content on the platform, honestly, but I couldn’t be any less interested in that take. My history speaks for itself, and anybody can read it who cares to. Everybody must vote. I don’t think I could be any clearer about that. I was a staunch advocate for Biden, and I’ll be a staunch advocate for Harris, Newsom, Whitmer, or anyone else who carries the Democratic party forward.

            But every single one of them polls down from Biden. To the extent any of the whining on social media since the debate hasn’t been astroturfed, advocacy for Biden to drop out resulted in this news, and it means that the party has now voluntarily given up the single biggest proven advantage a candidate historically has in a presidential election: being the sitting president.

            I’m encouraging people to vote, but you know as well as I do that people who were going to vote anything-blue were going to vote for Biden no matter what anybody said on almost-reddit. Harris has to move the needle further than that, and that means that all the armchair it’ll-be-better-if-he-drops-out analysts now need to step the fuck up if they want this news to mean anything other than “The DNC just handed Trump 2024.”

            Everybody knows that the kids screaming “oh if the candidate were just younger, the Dems would have it in a landslide” were full of shit, and now we’re about to see just how big a deficit we’re actually running. I’d love to be wrong! I’d be delighted, ecstatic, beside myself to discover that next weeks polls put all these convention front-runners up 10 points on Trump. But I’ve studied this stuff, and it doesn’t take a veteran pollster to realize it doesn’t work that way. Actual campaigning has to happen.

            If you cared enough to want Biden out, but not quite enough to want Harris to win, then you were going to hold your nose in the ballot box either way and it doesn’t fucking matter: Trump would still win. That’s not discouraging. That’s statistics.

            • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
              344·
              5 months ago

              Telling people that if they don’t go out and campaign, they might as well be a Republican is just counterproductive. Insulting people is just never a way to get them to do what you think they should do.

              I don’t know why so many people think that’s the right tack. Have you ever been insulted into doing something?

              • Xhieron@lemmy.worldEnglish
                118·
                5 months ago

                The few words of hyperbole is what you took away? I expected better, but I guess that’s on me.

        • elbucho@lemmy.worldEnglish
          151·
          5 months ago

          The “hive mind” probably just can’t figure out what the fuck you’re even trying to say. So, what, everybody who doesn’t actively campaign for their preferred candidate just supports fascism by default? I’m guessing your stance isn’t anywhere near that stupid, because that is an extraordinarily stupid stance. So maybe you’d have a better reception if you clarified your point.

        • FlowVoid@lemmy.worldEnglish
          151·
          5 months ago

          We win if we get enough votes, and every vote counts.

          Anything beyond voting is just gravy.

        • Maggoty@lemmy.world
          31·
          5 months ago

          You couldn’t browbeat us into voting for Biden and you’ve started it right up with Harris? And now it’s not just voting it’s working the phones and door to door campaign? Am I expected to get airfare to PA too? What do I tell them when they ask where I live?

          People should support her campaign to the utmost they can, and for some people that’s right here, with their internet connection.

        • Tryptaminev@lemm.ee
          1211·
          5 months ago

          With people like you it shows why Trump won culturally even if he doesn’t win the election. He turned a substantial part of the vocal Democrats into Blue-MAGA-hats. It is the same attitude that attacked people who pointed out the mere fact, that Biden is not mentally fit for office anymore. If the Blue-MAGA wasn’t so big, Biden could have left the field to a younger and better candidate half a year ago.

            • Tryptaminev@lemm.ee
              166·
              5 months ago

              So you think calling everyone that does not campaign and donate to the Democrats a secret Republican is somehow normal?

              To me it is the same cultish bullshit like the blatant denial of Bidens old age and mental decline. It is the same “follow your leader no matter what” insanity that is apologetic for Trump on the other side. So yes, this kind of behaviour is MAGA behaviour and if it is done for the Dems instead of the Reps it is blue MAGA

    • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world
      23·
      5 months ago

      I was vocally saying biden would never drop out and we just had to swallow the poison pill. I was dead wrong. I will be voting for [insert DNC candidate] and will be excited to do it!

    • elbucho@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      5 months ago

      While I don’t think Kamala is the best the Democratic party has to offer (I would have much preferred Biden endorsing Hakeem Jeffries, for example), I’m over the moon that he’s finally decided to step aside. And you know what? Harris is better than Biden in pretty much every metric that matters. I was going to vote for the Dem nominee either way, but him stepping aside in favor of a better candidate has me feeling all kinds of relieved.

    • Bye@lemmy.world
      273·
      5 months ago

      Literally any straight white man center-right democrat born after 1968 would wipe the floor with trump.

      And before anyone jumps down my throat, that’s not what I want. I want president Cortez. But presidents are chosen by money and by about 10,000 generically stupid swing voters in Michigan and Pennsylvania.

    • sploosh@lemmy.world
      9·
      5 months ago

      Taking over the news cycle following the RNC while invalidating some of the rhetoric from it.

  • VanillaBean@lemmy.worldEnglish
    222·
    5 months ago

    Welp they must have looked at the data and saw Kamala or someone else would do significantly better. Hope they’re right.

  • jeffw@lemmy.worldM
    14·
    5 months ago

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/21/open-convention-democrats-biden-drop-out/

    “How Democrats would pick a new candidate if Biden drops out, step by step”

    One [possibility] is a virtual vote that would lock in a new nominee in early August, and the other is an “open” convention, a scenario the party hasn’t experienced since 1968.
    A convention is open when no candidate arrives with a clear majority of delegates, so the event turns into a mini-primary in which contenders scramble to persuade delegates to vote for them…
    Some states have August deadlines to get on the ballot for the general election, and early voting begins in some places in September. So party leaders probably would try to settle the nomination before the Democratic National Convention begins Aug. 19.

    There are two types of Democratic delegates. Pledged delegates commit to supporting the candidate state voters chose, although a “good conscience” clause in the party’s rules gives them a bit of wiggle room.

    Automatic delegates, often called superdelegates, are the party’s highest-profile leaders. They have the role because of the offices they hold (or held), and the group includes former presidents and vice presidents, Democratic governors, members of Congress and party officials. They are not pledged to any candidate and are not allowed to vote on the first ballot at the convention.

    • Rayspekt@lemmy.world
      6·
      5 months ago

      Dumb question. Why didn’t they just schedule the convention prior to all deadlines regardless who runs for office? Is there any benefit to meeting so late?

      • jeffw@lemmy.worldM
        3·
        5 months ago

        It is before the deadlines but just barely. Typically the candidate is known before the convention, so you already have enough signatures to get on the ballot in every state

  • taiyang@lemmy.world
    162·
    5 months ago

    In 2016 it was a “Vote Against Trump Regardless Of Who It Is”. It’s shaping up to be that again, but this gives me hope that maybe we’ll have someone we can vote for that we like… Even if just a little. Harris is no Obama in charm, but it’s a step in the right direction.

    • Baron Von J@lemmy.world
      9·
      5 months ago

      The general election will continue to be a strategic vote against the party you don’t want to win until voters come out en masse in the primaries. And those better candidates will have to actually be running in the primaries.

      • FlexibleToast@lemmy.world
        4·
        5 months ago

        You mean not until the entire voting system is overhauled and the first pass the fence post system is abandoned.

        • Baron Von J@lemmy.world
          1·
          5 months ago

          Yes. I mean the thing that won’t happen until we overwhelmingly vote in the major parties primaries to put in representatives who will legislate those changes at the state level. Because 3rd party candidates aren’t winning with the current system, so we have to change the two major parties from within, through their primaries.

            • Baron Von J@lemmy.world
              1·
              5 months ago

              No 3rd party has won a single electoral vote since Wallace in '68. He won 46. You have to go to Teddy Roosevelt in 1912 to top that with 88 (the most ever). It’s either taking over the parties from the local level up through their primaries or it will take the full collapse of our government with a new constitutional convention, and that probably won’t go well.

                • Baron Von J@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  5 months ago

                  Well it can’t if we don’t try. For the 2024 primaries in Texas we had 17.9M registered voters, 3.2M primary ballots cast, and only 900k of them were Democratic. So I get why people think it isn’t going to work. But I think anyone expecting a “don’t vote and let it burn down” situation to result in an immediate improvement rather than things getting insanely worse are deluding themselves to everyone’s detriment.

    • Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
      4·
      5 months ago

      I could care less about charm. I wish more people would. Personally, I want a fucking autistic that defines real goals, outlines a plan to achieve them, and measures their success on how efficiently the goals are met. I’m exaggerating a bit, but I miss the days where politicians had platforms and were willing to be something more than just a feeling.

        • Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
          23·
          5 months ago

          Bad bot. I like to leave a little wiggle room. I’ve often suprised myself and found that when I care very little about something, I can sometimes find a little more apathy later on.

    • Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml
      3·
      5 months ago

      At this point, it’s all just about delaying the repression and concentration of power under a Trump presidency, as well as trying to slow down the climate catastrophe as much as possible on top of that. Things won’t get better any time soon, it’s simply not the historical situation and dynamic at the moment, but every year to organise people for radical alternatives for when the global collapse progresses further is valuable.

  • 800XL@lemmy.world
    11·
    5 months ago

    So the back the blue party of law and order will vote for the cop instead of the convicted felon now.

    Just like the religious moral right will vote for the actual church attending catholic rather than the guy who doesn’t go to church and doesn’t know how to hold a bible upright.

  • tlou3please@lemmy.world
    9·
    5 months ago

    I’m not American but want to be in the loop. Media here is saying Kamala Harris is the likely successor. What do people think of her? Is she liked? I assume her actual politics are more or less the same since she was VP.

    • ralphio@lemmy.world
      91·
      5 months ago

      People don’t know her tbh. She used to be kind of a poor public speaker, but seems to have solved that based on recent appearances. Not gonna lie she’s a bit strange if you’ve ever heard her speak, but I don’t think it’ll hurt her against Trump who is an all time weirdo in American politics. Importantly she’s young and fairly sharp and hasn’t been around long enough to have too many skeletons in her closet.

      • Schmuppes@lemmy.world
        1·
        5 months ago

        Well, she’s not old enough to be in a nursing home in Florida like Trump and Biden, but at close to 60 years of age, Kamala Harris is definitely not young. AOC would be the Democrats’ young candidate.

    • nexusband@lemmy.world
      61·
      5 months ago

      Not American either, i just hope she chooses Kelly as her VP…a progressive Astronaut in politics is more important than ever.