If you properly close a toilet seat/lid, everyone has to open it before using it, I don’t see what the big deal is
I never understood the whole “you left the toilet seat up” complaint. Never been an issue in my family but have heard “he never puts the seat down” all the time. Is it that much effort to put the toilet seat down when you need to go?
its gross, bruh.
Soft close toilet seats should be standard equipment.
Then putting the lid down is a matter of a single light push.
Invent a new urinal and demand everyone use a shewee-like thing (for aim purposes). Now everyone can enjoy the satisfaction of peeing standing up and we can get rid of all gendered restrooms.
Now what, maga?
theres also realistic ones for trans men, but I don’t wanna risk getting in trouble
Exactly.
Did you know this isn’t a discussion at all in most of the world? People do whatever and no one is bothered by it. I only ever see this in American media.
Sit to pee for all. Solves all problems.
I’ve been to men’s restroom before. I wouldn’t sit on that unless extremely necessary. Even then, I’d wipe that ship clean and cover it in toilet paper first
I do wonder if they all sat whether that’d solve it, though. That is, if it’d be cleaner. Or maybe they don’t need to sit to keep it clean. Idk
I’ve worked maintenance for many years and I can assure there is no difference between men’s and women’s rest rooms other than there being urinals, they’re all disgusting, we’re all disgusting, all bathrooms are just wild animal shit houses.
nooooope not putting my cheeks on that unless necessary
seat up, squat a bit, and aim to reduce splash. wipe when done no matter what it looks like
Men that pee standing up (except urinals, or bushes) just like to make their life a tiny bit worse for no reason at all.
At home, yes. Out in the wild? Hell nah. That shi nasty (usually)
Your butt skin is far more robust than you give it credit for.
I’m a woman and will leave the seat up at work (not at home)
We have unisex toilets and truck drivers use them - they regularly wee all over the toilet seats if left down :(
if there is a lid - always down
if there is no lid - always up
it is the safest, cleanest, fairest option
we just leave it down at home. we talked about it one day and everyone with male excretory parts just wants to get off their feet. only time the seat lifts is for cleaning.
I’ve thought of this so many times. I’m fact, I’ve thought about a spring-loaded seat hinge that raises the seat unless there’s a person upon it. If the seat is always up, it is much less likely to be urinated upon. It takes the work completely out of the hands of the user.
up. down makes me uncomfortable. Schrodinger’s toilet seat.
If you raise it, put it back down when you’re done. If you put it down, put it back up when you’re done. That seems fair.
Alternatively, if there’s a lid, close the lid when you’re done. Then everyone is equally “inconvenienced”.
In my house, the toilet seat and lid are down when not in use. Because I have a cat and she’s the kind of idiot that will jump into the toilet and then track toilet water into my bed.
I try to do the same. My cat can get a little carried away with his toys and sometimes they’ll get swatted into the toilet
I always close the lid so things don’t fall in
Most The public bathrooms around me, don’t have lids for the toilet.
the ones that don’t flush, if you close the lid the smell vents outdoors
I’ve come across a few in my travels
I don’t really understand what is the end goal here. It isn’t minimising the amount of total work done, because for this optimal strategy would be just leaving the seat in whatever position it was used. Funnily enough, amount of times it needs to be put up is exactly the same it needs to be put down in absolute terms, but considering the “up” group is smaller than “down group”, their perceived amount of times position should be changed is higher than the same for the opposite group. I. e. in group of one “up” and 9 “downs”, “ups” need to change position of lid with 90% probability, and for every “down” it’s only 10%. Huh. Of course overall it equalizes: 1×0.9=9×0.1.
Or is it some kind of “welcomeness”? Like, leaving the lid in the most probable expected position (which for equal gender usage would be “sitting” because people sometimes poop, usually not while standing; and because penis people sometimes pee while sitting (me often, but usually at home, not in public)).
Or is it something else?
I’ve heard of someone who’s mother died cuz they left the seat down and she just got stuck
I don’t know either. There really isn’t a universally agreed upon standard for how to leave a toilet seat. Even with a sign dictating the expected behaviour, it’s not a guarantee. It’s completely illogical to expect a toilet seat to have been left in any specific state*, and therefore the onus is entirely on the next person to set it how they want before using it. This is already how it works. It takes 1 second. I don’t know who is complaining about it.
Although, on second thought, the only people who would ever have to move the seat in a seat-down world are those who want to pee standing up, and there might be some value in very gently discouraging that behaviour in a public restroom. Not sure if that’s the goal here, but it’s a theory.
*Unless there’s a lid. Close the damn lid!
Seriously? It’s sexism. Women shouldn’t be expected to touch filthy things.
Not my belief, but it’s the basis of the logic.
Biased how. Do the math. Half of us sit down to pee, all of us sit down to shit.
Biased meaning only men have to do any work, women never have to (if it’s left down always)
True neutral would be last used position.
*most of us sit to shit. Given a large enough population I won’t rule out the possibility.
thank you for your consideration. i shit everywhere
Found the diaper-wearer.
no but a good guess
Lol
Also, as someone with male plumbing, we can also sit down to pee. So everyone can sit to pee, and half of us can’t.
not to well actually, but once you figure out a female urinal they are kinda nice. according to my mother who spent all last week texting me every time she used one on her hiking trip
The little sleeve thingy? My wife tried to use one but didn’t try it at home first. There was no bathroom/pit toilet out there either. They tried but couldn’t do it. It took me a bit to realize but once you make the connection that literally their entire life they have never had to pee standing up it makes sense that their body is just like nope can’t do it. They ended up holding onto a tree and squatting while I kept watching for critters/moral support. It was dark out and spooky.
That night I think a raccoon sniffed around our tent which was cool.
That’s a thing?
anyone can pee standing up it’s the 21st century
I’m not sure I wanna see that proliferate. My trans ass could never
Especially with the men that complain about how hard it is to control the stream, might as well sit down.
But then they won’t get to complain about how hard it is to lift the seat
I put the lid down, don’t want toilet water splashing all over the place when you flush.
I put the lid down, too. But only so that the cat doesn’t drink from it.
I put the lid up, so I don’t have to raise the lid next time I’m there to piss, which is what I do the most often there.
I always put it down.
Because women love to pick fights over the smallest things./s
I close it entirely. That way everyone has to open the lid.
Chaotic neutral spotted
Put the seat and the lid down before flushing.
I just put the lid down but I still leave the seat up when flushing.
That’s a weird loo. :)
There’s a University of Cork study showing that putting the lid down aerosolises more material so spreads bacteria etc. over the whole room, whereas having the lid open produces a smaller number of larger droplets that nearly all just fall straight back into the toilet. The lid is not sealing the toilet and preventing the need to clean the bathroom.
Can you link that study please?
I can’t get the full text, but https://www.microbiologyresearch.org/content/journal/acmi/10.1099/acmi.fis2019.po0192 has the abstract. It looks like I misremembered its findings (or remembered an article that oversimplified them), though - having the lid down does something to the released particles to make more of them stay airborne for much longer, but it does reduce the number that escape, like you’d expect.
I think I did not understand your comment. Isn’t it the other way around?
My comment was explicitly pointing out that closing the lid can have the opposite of the intuitive effect and make things worse even though you’d expect it to make them better. It seems that I misrepresented the study’s findings, though, as while closing the lid does make particles remain airborne for much longer, so my overall point is sound, closing the lid does reduce the number of particles that initially become airborne.
closing the lid does reduce the number of particles that initially become airborne.
Significantly – 30-50%.
So to be clear: close the lid
That’s not the conclusion the study’s authors drew. The particles being airborne for longer means they can float further and contaminate things further away from the toilet, and also are more likely to end up inhaled. That could be a bigger problem than the number of particles initially released, so the study didn’t make a recommendation of whether the lid should be up or down. More research is required before anyone should be issuing definitive commands in bold to strangers on the internet.
No it’s not.
But like, if men pee with the seat up, but both men and women poop with the seat down, then statistically the seat is already down more than half of the time. Now if we enforce a policy like this, that would mean more than half of the times someone walks in and needs the seat to be down is in luck, but the rest has to do double the “work”. And if someone goes in after someone who would have otherwise left the seat up, they too do double the work, so the seat changes position 4 times instead of once. I think it’s much more “just” to simply change the seat whenever you need it and sometimes you will even find it in the position you need it in.
Why do you presume everyone poops with the seat down?
yeah some people like to fall in
I poo standing up. You can’t force me.
Yeah it’s a silly sign and they should relax.
