“Insurrectionists carrying foreign flags are attacking immigration enforcement officers, while one half of America’s political leadership has decided that border enforcement is evil,” Vice President JD Vance said in a post on X Saturday night.
Big yikes. “Insurrectionists”? Bloody hell.
Every accusation is an admission.
Conservatism was the original reactionary movement, and it essentially sought to restore the nobility within democracy, complete with the different rules applying to said ingroup. Modern conservatism only differing in the sense that its supporters really want to become part of said ingroup.
conservatism/liberterinism,dont realize the ingroups, are the oligarchs only.
How is a peaceful protest in LA an “Insurrection,” while violently attacking cops and raiding the Capitol to stop the certification of the vote, is not?
you know why
Yep, I do. It’s because they are Traitors and Criminals.
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Anyone remember what this was from?
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”
That works until people the conservatives don’t like start arming up. Like Black Panthers.
Well then everyone the conservatives don’t like need to start arming up before they realize the gun control they always wanted exists, but only to keep “mental ill” people from buying them and the only things considered illnesses are things conservatives don’t like.
Breaking through the mental wall for anti-2A liberals unfortunately only happens once it’s too late to get effective training, if it happens at all…
A gun/gear group I know of recently tried to donate money to a charity for queer folks in the the south. The charity denied the donation because “they don’t take money from anyone who uses firearms for work” (paraphrased).
Let’s take a moment to digest that.
I recently got a small group of gay/trans/ally/hiking friends to a range and I think it’s going to be a more regular thing. I have a couple and another person had several, and the range does rentals. One of us (who’d never even fired a gun) has a small piece of property and they ended up trying/purchasing a little 10/22 to take out to their property to start trying to get some small game. I’m deep in the a red state though so convincing more on-the-fence/marginalized people to protect themselves isn’t hard given the right conversation.
I tell people as often as I can, especially my trans and bipoc friends; now is the time. Get a couple guns (a long one and a short one) and learn how to use them. Learn some basic first aid, you really just need to know how to stabilize someone. Start networking with like-minded people in your communities. The police will not protect us, they’ve proven they’ll happily club senior citizens to the ground and shoot any protesters in the face with rubber bullets while escorting a rightwing murderer to safety. Iran was a secular, liberal state until almost 1980 when they (mostly legitimately) elected an Islamist theocracy; it could happen here.
The shadowy cabals the rightwing says are behind everything is classic projection again, they’re controlled by shadowy cabals of rich people. One of the primary ghouls/traitors responsible for the attempted overthrow of our government on J6 was Roger Stone, the same traitorous ratfucker who began his career working for Nixon and has a fucking Nixon tattoo on his back. It’s really impossible to overstate how bad these people are and they’re winning.
The coup was successful, they’re in power and if they don’t want to give it up they won’t.
Get to know people in your community. Take an interest in growing food, learn how to fix things. Establish secondary lines of communication and start preparing.
https://www.dsausa.org/
https://mutualaiddisasterrelief.org/
https://socialistra.org/
https://generalstrikeus.com/
https://afsc.org/news/how-create-mutual-aid-network
https://www.immigrantdefenseproject.org/raids/
https://mutualaidhub.org/
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Yeah, But it was never intended to stop things from happening from the inside. Whoever ends up on the opposite side of the military in the end is going to lose.
It depends on how many people end up on the opposite side. Tens, hundreds, for sure. Thousands, likely. Tens of thousands, not so certain. Hundreds of thousands, I don’t know. If the army starts shooting to kill any significant numbers of Americans, things are going to get very interesting.
the point of protesting is the escalation. this is success.
The authorities wouldn’t send the National Guard if they thought they could just ignore you. So i’d say this is a success.
It’s really not
Trump doesn’t need to understand this for it to be true, but the gov right now depends a lot on opporating in the dark to get away with massively illegal and unethical actions that would harm public opinions and reactions. By forcing them to opporate in public with the press focused on the protests makes them face accountability.
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So glad I never joined the National Guard cause I would definitly refuse to go, and if forced, join the side of of the ones fighting ICE.
Could this be the start of the Second American Civil War?
Calm down Tim Poole
I predicted over six months ago that the US wouldn’t make it past July 4th, 2025. Only a few weeks away and reporters are being shot by police and posse comitatus has been violated. Soon the actual armed forces of your nation will be in the streets and you will have a choice to make.
No, they’ll keep escalating through next summer. By then, we’ll have had hyperinflation, food shortages, Luigi’s trial, deportations of naturalized/ birthright citizens, arrests of elected officials, etc. and things will get really ugly. That’s when the MAGA Nazis will have their Tiananmen Square moment, probably in multiple cities, and HitlerPig will declare Martial Law, and suspend the Midterm election for the first time in American history. That will protect his Congressional majorities, and keep the Democrats from gaining any investigative, subpoena, or arrest powers. Once elections are suspended, he’s president forever.
THAT will be the end.
Meh…this reminds me of the Portland riots a few years ago. Shit was crazy and really intense but the U.S. didn’t fall apart if that is what you are alluding to. We just kept on picking up our shovels and shovelling shit.
Portland doesn’t control anything in the US. It’s not even among the top 10 cities. LA is a totally different deal.
Even LA won’t mean the end of the government, but a military attack on one of the biggest cities in America is a enormous warning to the resistance that the MAGA Nazis are willing to do ANYTHING.
If any other nation launched a military attack on LA, we would absolutely consider it an act of war, and if the MAGA Nazis use the military against American citizens exercising their 1st Amendment rights, ALL American citizens should also consider it an act of war against us by our own government.
Yup…and what will we do about it? Nothing. They could blow up California and we still wouldnt do shit. Pearl Harbor, cold war, 9/11, foreign enemy? We got you covered buddy. Put micro transactions in Battlefront 2. We got you covered buddy. Throw a Nazi salute on live TV…we miiiiight stop buying your product…seems like we are making some progress there. Reverse Roe v Wade…hmm…
It’s still early, HitlerPig hasn’t even been in power for 6 months, and look how much chaos he’s caused. We couldn’t have imagined this a year ago.
It can get much worse, and it will, if for no other reason than he intends to push the American people relentlessly until they do fight back. Then he can justify hurting them.
Talk to me when the marines land in LA.
Dang, C U next Tuesday, I guess.
700 Marines landed today, apparently.
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Not my country 👍
try buying gun and then likely second amendment
You don’t have the right, O you don’t have the right! (Actually you do)
AMERICA! IS FUCKED! NEVER COMING AGAIN TO SAVE THE FUCKING DAY YEAH!
Martial law incoming.
I hope this don’t turn to a civil war
I mean the Nazis aren’t going to go ohh my bad we should have another try at the election.
The options at this point are 1: a civil war or 2: surrendering to the fascist regime.
Well, we won’t call it that. Vietnam was techincally “a police action”, but we all know it was a war. This police action will get folks killed in an effort to take prisoners, which sure sound like a…
Also Nixon’s distraction from his own problems
July 4th…
I just don’t see how a civil war could start. It’s not like back in the day where you could just amass an army without the state really knowing
The amount of intel the state has means that nothing will get off the ground
I guess if like a state and it’s national guard would revolt and other states join them? Seems very unlikely though
Since there is a lot of fictions between dems and republicans and there is many gun owners in the usa some people could decide to use arms to counter ice and republicans could side with ice and do the same
I hope they’re scared
I don’t get it
Why do you want to prevent ICE from deporting illegal immigrants?
Why do you want illegal immigrants to stay here so bad?
Alright, I’ll bite.
Because I would much rather ICE spend its resources preventing IMs from entering the country, rather than rounding up IMs who have been living here peacefully for 20+ years.
Because—and I’m willing to debate the utility of this—a significant portion of our agricultural economy depends on IMs who will work below the standard of living legally required for our citizens.
Because the vast majority of IMs are just people seeking asylum from cartels and/or horrible dictatorial governments and are not a threat to the American way of life.
Because IMs by and large do not “steal” jobs from American workers but rather do jobs most Americans would never consider doing. See said issue with our agricultural sector.
Now, let’s hear your reasons for wanting to spend the immense amount of money necessary to find and deport these people. Because I’m sure your arguments are incredibly well thought out.
I would argue that instead of ICE, we should have a vastly expanded IRS to enforce regulations upon businesses. For example, every business is assigned state and federal accountants, who check that the books are legit. These accountants are regularly rotated by the nation, so that companies can’t establish “working” relationships with any given accountant, which reduces corruption.
This would increase the amount of money that government receives from the 1%, along with helping prevent wage theft or other criminal activities. Businesses, not migrants, are innately prone to corruption.
I would argue that instead of ICE
Why instead of ICE? These are not mutually exclusive things and they don’t even address the same problems.
The money spent on ICE, can be used to enforce regulations. The wealthy don’t like that, and would prefer us to focus on bullying the little people. It wastes our time and attention, so that genuine criminals can get away with casual crimes. In the US, the largest form of theft is wage theft, and I would argue that paying migrants below minimum wage is also theft.
While there will always be a need for some sort of physical authority, we can probably cut 90% of physical agencies, and use that budget for more useful things. For example, mental health outtreach programs that provide free therapy, genuine shelter and food without strings for the homeless, and so forth.
That is why if there are any physical enforcement, agencies need to have very specific missions, tight rules, and to be built from the ground up for the purpose. The majority of police in America were originally slave catchers, but became what we call police over the centuries. That brutal character inherently poisoned our physical enforcement institutions. Outright deleting ICE and other existing agencies, and then building new ones without legacy personnel, would promote peace.
While I would agree ICE and most police agencies need a thorough cleansing to purge them of racists, we can’t just get rid of 90% of them and start from scratch. That’s too big a transition. It needs to be done gradually to ensure se always have a police force and some form of illegal immigration deterrence.
I obviously do think we should be taxing the crap out of corporations. The top 1% isn’t really individual rich people, but the corporations they own. I would also advocate ending “corporate personhood.” That would be a big step in the right direction, as would reversing the Citizens United ruling or better yet, passing a law that makes it moot.
We can start from scratch - kill one department and replace it at a time. We probably could hire from Finland and other countries abroad to start clean-sheet academies to raise our first decade or so of officers. They put a great deal of effort and time into training their police, and we can pay them for services rendered. Finland might appreciate our supply of MRAPs and other surplus military gear, considering who they share borders with.
LOL, you want to hire foreign police to replace entire PDs in America? And how do you think Americans would feel about being policed by foreigners? Hell, what makes you think foreigners would want to police Americans? Please, name me one historical instance of this working, let alone having happened.
It would be one thing to take cues from European police forces to change the culture and tactics of American police forces, which I would totally support, but actually bringing foreign cops here to replace American cops? No way. Not a chance in hell that would work.
The large amount of foreign nationals being exploited due to their illegal status and working in unsafe underpaid jobs is something I’m against from a pro labor position.
The employees who hire and exploit them need to be punished. Who will do this job for the tiny wages? I guess nobody, the wages must go up. More expensive avocados is what we need to settle for, instead of exploiting desperate foreign nationals. There are no easy painless solutions here.
Maybe I am naive in thinking ICE is going after the criminal element that exists in the illegal immigrant community.
The large amount of foreign nationals being exploited due to their illegal status and working in unsafe underpaid jobs is something I’m against from a pro labor position.
Fine, but how does rounding them up and deporting them solve this problem?
The employees who hire and exploit them need to be punished.
Again, how do ICE strategies solve this problem?
Maybe I am naive in thinking ICE is going after the criminal element that exists in the illegal immigrant community.
You are. The criminal element in migrant communities is tiny, and the notion that ICE is prioritizing them is bupkis. ICE is sadly comprised mainly of American racists, who use their job titles as a shield for implementing their White nationalist agendas. These aren’t people who are doing what they claim to be doing—protecting our borders against illegal invaders—they’re just trying to keep America’s birth rate mostly White, because they’re scared, xenophobic assholes.
As an American, I fully oppose these douchebags. America is not a White nation. We’re a non-racial nation, made up of everyone, home to everyone, and better for it. Our best quality is the fact that we welcome everyone, and those amongst us who oppose that are the true anti-Americans. Our history is a shit-show, true; but our ideals are worth fighting for. And the people that are anti-immigration are pro-racism, pure and simple.
Maybe I am naive in thinking ICE is going after the criminal element that exists in the illegal immigrant community.
You are.
Because the current purge is rooted in racism, not legality. They’re deporting American citizens and people who are here legally as well without due process, blatantly violating the constitution which he swore to defend and uphold.
Trump wants to deport anyone he doesn’t like, which includes anyone that doesn’t like him. Make no mistake, he would deport half the country if he felt he could get away with it. He has no regard for the rule of law and has proven that time and again. What he is doing is tyranny and the real patriots are out there standing up against it.
The state defines what an “illegal immigrant” is. Why should I agree with their definition of an illegal immigrant is?
The Nazis were just rounding up illegal Jews. Why was it so bad that they rounded up illegal Jews?
The plantation owners just wanted to own Black people. Black people had no rights, so what’s the problem with owning them?
Do not conflate legality with morality.
Because they’re revoking legal status from legal immigrants and arresting legal immigrants and its only a matter of time til they deport citizens too
Every study I’ve seen shows illegal immigrants to be a net positive to the economy, while at the same being responsible for fewer crimes than papered immigrants or regular citizens. I wonder why people are willing to go through such social pain and stupidity to attack them. I mean, aside from racism. We should be working on smoothing the way to citizenship, or at a minimum, legality. That would help address the exploitation that takes place (as you mentioned in another post). On a tangent, we really need to do something about universal health care, housing, and the shitty, hateful state of wages in the country while we are at it.
We have a myriad of fundamental problems in this country, illegal immigrants are just a distraction that get the low-information voters fired up and ignoring the real problems.
I think that universal healthcare would be the key to ending undocumented immigration, and more importantly, wage evasion by employers. It is simple: documented immigrants get free healthcare, the same as any citizen. This would allow the state(s) to track the workplace activity of immigrants, and in turn be able to collect taxes, enforce fair wages, and hold businesses accountable.
This also has the effect of allowing citizens to have equal job opportunities when compared to migrants, because both are paid the same. Companies will naturally turn to hiring citizens, simply because they are closer to home. Everyone who isn’t a ghoul wins.
because they arnt targeting “illegal immigrants” its random people, and also immigrants that are here legally, plus they are specifically only targeting non-republican areas because they know blue areas are less likely to fight back and are unarmed. oh and they wont target places like meat packing plants, FARMS, republican, gop will raise hell if they were raided in congress.
Tin soldiers and Nixon coming, four dead in Ohio.
This summer I hear the drumming.
This is what 2A is for. This is what Madison feared.
That is exactly how we embolden fascism. Madison advocated for a well-regulated militia, not 1-2% of the population throwing cinder blocks and M80s. We needed numbers before allowing them to bait us into escalation.
Hegseth has the Marines standing by, and the Insurrection Act will be next. This is Trump’s Reichstag Fire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire
Edit: Please share this.
“Don’t resist, you’ll embolden them!” Jesus Christ, you guys are so boned.
Violent resistance will decrease our numbers. Increasing them is our number one priority.
It’s going to be really surreal when they do start putting people in camps and they’re just packed with very surprised white liberals wearing full clown makeup
They can’t do that legally right now. If they tried, the military would defend us, not follow the unconstitutional orders of POTUS. That would change if we become a domestic threat.
They can’t do that legally right now.
Hasn’t stopped them so far.
I don’t even know where to start with this comment. Jesus Christ.
They don’t need any actual justifications to “embolden” them, in the absence of actual resistance they’ll just lie to justify doing exactly what they were always planning in doing, this is not s good reason to passively accept anything they’re doing
I watched it happen all day yesterday. Protesters are throwing rocks through windows of vehicles as they drive by. They’re lighting M80s and throwing them at the agents.
The VAST majority is peaceful. Many are throwing rocks. A few are taking even further.
I get that they’re pissed, but this isn’t the solution. Refusing to walk into a trap isn’t cowardice, it’s strategy.
You watched and learned nothing, resistance isn’t a trap and your passivity won’t save you
I never said resistance was a trap. I said violent resistance was. Violence will hand Trump his Reichstag Fire on a silver platter.
Nonviolent “resistance” is worthless, idk what part of “they will make shit up anyway” you’re not understanding
Trump is itching to enact the Insurrection Act. That will make growing our numbers far more difficult. Meanwhile, you’re advocating losing resisters to incarceration, scaring people back into their homes due to unsafe protest conditions, while giving Trump the justification he needs to strip our rights.
Do you always think with your feelings? You should try your brain. Logic and strategy know no cowardice. They only know how to outthink the opposition.
Then GET BETTER at violence.
They’ve been lying about violence and crime to get us here. Even if every protestor backed up every time ICE stepped forward, they would find an excuse to escalate.
They want another Kent State
Is it gonna be Kent State or Tiananmen Square?
First one, then the other
More like Concord or Lexington
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Just saw an ICE truck carrying a bunch of jackboots through Echo Park. Don’t know where they’re ultimately heading to though.
Nothing a couple of well placed cocktails couldn’t handle.
hopefully they’re headed to the Santa Monica pier, where they accidentally drive off the end and into the ocean
How do you know it’s an ICE truck? What does it look like? I’ve seen white ones in videos, but surely they don’t all look the same.
It was a big black unmarked truck full of black armor wearing soldier types hanging off the sides. I’m no expert on cop sightings but I’m pretty sure even they have their emblem on the sides of their heavy duty vehicles. Besides, isn’t it their MO nowadays to go everywhere wearing balaclavas without visible insignias or name tags?
You could tell because it had fanciful decorations of ice cream cones and candy on the sides and it had a big horn loudspeaker playing “Turkey in the Straw”. You see them all the time just driving slowly up and down the neighborhood streets.
“Quick! The Gestapo is running into resistance, send in the SS!”
Threaten the 4th largest economy in the world with leverage you don’t really have. Encourage escalation tactics for illegal detainment of peoples under the jurisdiction and protection of the Constitution. Ignore the Constitution and normalize the absurd use of the term deportation. Cry about it on social media and then throw a fit and send troops to peaceful protests ( as per LAPD ).
Frail ideology.
