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    Once upon a time, in a distant land, a person arrived near a police vehicle while a crowd surrounding the vehicle was argumentative and loud. They dropped a few caltrops and nudged them under the wheels with their toe.

    Once upon a time, in a distant land, a guy with a cordless drill disabled some police vehicles in a speed-run. Sadly they had no RC car to mount it on (note: some cleanliness, testing and engineering skills required) or they could have called it a “rig” and proclaimed “drill, baby, drill”.

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      That’s next.

      Those who abjure violence can do so only because others are committing violence on their behalf.

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      So um… what’re you gonna do with the thermite?

      No seriously, I used to do aluminothermic welding, trust me when I say it’s an extremely frustrating substance to use. And on top of that, it is incredibly conspicuous. Unless you both know what you’re doing and what you’re doing can only be done by introducing a huge thermal mass (for example, screwing up a precision machined surface. Note that you can’t really cut material with thermite without a burnout mold), there are way better ways to accomplish a task. It’s just not a great choice, and everything a theoretical citizen resistance would feasibly be doing could be done better, faster and safer (for you) with either some gasoline or bolt cutters…

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      Citizen sabotage was taught by the CIA as an effective way for insurgents in a country we wanted to topple to hurt their defensive and warmaking power.

      The best tactic in this regard; incompetence.

      Just get a job where you help them. But be bad at it.

      Lose papers. Email things backwards. Leave messes. Pour the wrong chemicals in the wrong thing. Send messages on Monday instead of Friday. Spoil supplies by making them wet and letting them rot.

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    They won. They got exactly what they wanted, plus anybody who tried to intervene got arrested along the way. From the headline I thought it would be more like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZcoXdZeabA . There’s still massive problems here and our version of ICE have got away with a lot but thankfully nowhere near this stage

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        I completely agree and think you can’t arrest everyone but I don’t see that happening though. Look at the numbers on the street. If more people surrounded them so they could not physically leave, it might be different. What I see is a few brave people trying to stop them and not succeeding, and everyone else staying inside or filming from afar

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          There were more than 25 people on the scene protesting and asking for warrants etc. this was on very scant notice. I’d call that pretty decent turnout. Then there was a much larger march down the streets of Worcester. Read some of the independent reports. They corroborate and tell an aligned narrative.

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        Yep cause the moment they arrest everyone the leeches will die like every other fucking parasite without a host.

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    “We don’t have to show you anything,” one agent reportedly shot back when asked for ID or a warrant.

    Actually, yea. You do. Or its just assault and kidnapping. Official paperwork is not privileged or secret. That idiot should be fired along with his chain of command.

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        Yes. Will the court decide in your favor? Who knows, but I’d wager probably not. It’s better to try it and find out then let this happen though, or probably a better idea would be to get out ASAP and try to become a ghost if possible. Eventually this won’t be tolerated, but people need to see others stand up before they will usually.

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      Helpful neighbor: “No, I’m with ICE and I’m arresting you motherfuckers.”

      *We all get to pretend to be ICE or whatever the fuck if there’s no requirement to prove who you are

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        Just because Marmalade Mussolini or his DOJ wrote a memo doesn’t make it legal. The use of the Alien Enemies Act is already highly contested in federal court. (It remains to be seen if/when courts will enforce their rulings, but just today a Tufts University student was released from ICE custody as a result of a judge’s ruling.)

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        No. They do no matter what. Once they tread on the Fourth the grumblings about resistance, rebellion, or revolt become a legal defense of our Constitutional rights. These people immediately get “promoted” and become a demest8c threat to the Constitution. It would then become open hunting season on ICE, with defending the Constitution becoming the legal defense. The only reason it hasn’t happened yet is because ICE is targeting weak willed areas. They are moving fast and they also happen to be getting a large percentage of illegals with only occasional “mistakes”.

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          There’s a court case right now. He’s suing the ability of federal judges to make essentially precedence matter.

          If he wins this case in the Supreme Court, All executive orders are law until they are challenged in court, and if one person wins a judgment, It will have zero effect on other like cases.

          So the playbook is he writes an executive order that ice doesn’t need to show warrants, ice doesn’t show warrant, each individual that is f***** over by this executive order has to take it to court individually, assuming they’re not already in a South American prison.

          We’re a couple of judgments away from absolute dictatorship.

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            It’s also reported that Trump’s people are working on suspending habeas corpus. This would remove your right to challenge your arbitrary imprisonment in court. So they will be able to disappear anyone, forever, with no reason and no legal recourse. Effectively Trump will then be an absolute dictator.

            https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-stephen-miller-says-trump-administration-is-actively-looking-at-suspending-habeas-corpus

            Habeas corpus (/ˈheɪbiəs ˈkɔːrpəs/ ⓘ; from Medieval Latin, lit. ‘you should have the body’) is a legal procedure by which a report can be made to a court alleging the unlawful detention or imprisonment of an individual, and requesting that the court order the individual’s custodian (usually a prison official) to bring the prisoner to court, to determine whether their detention is lawful. Relief, when available, is generally governed by equitable principles.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus

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            They can make whatever laws they want. This is a constitutional matter. It can only be changed by a 2/3s majority vote of the house and senate.

            ICE can say they don’t need a warrant. Fuck them up if they don’t have one … a warrant is required.

            The president can say ICE doesnt need a warrant … fuck him, he doesn’t have the authority … they do.

            The Supreme Court can say ICE doesnt need a warrant … fuck them, they do not have the authority … a warrant is still needed.

            Source: The Constitution

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              If nothing physically stops them from doing what they say they can do, then they can do it, and the constitution is meaningless. This is what is happening, they are proving the constitution is meaningless.

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                Eventually ICE will stumble upon someone with a strong interest in the Second Amendment and get themselves physically stopped. Because ICE’s actions are unconstitutional they will be considered illegal, thus whatever is done to stop them will be legal.

                It is only a matter of time and this story will be in the news. MAGA thinks they can tread upon the Constitution, but the Constitution lays coiled and has sharp fangs.

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                  I applaud your optimism. But anyone resisting ICE with armed force will be killed by a SWAT team and immediately branded a terrorist by all the media.

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      I’m curious. Do they have toshow it to bystanders? To the person they are arresting sure. And I would think to family of that person… but maybe not. I doubt they have to show it to randos on the street. But, I think it is safe to assume they didn’t have it. Even if they did, thier history means they have blown any credibility on that front. As for ID. I do wonder about that. Anyone know the actual laws?

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    Cursed cameraman. I’ve seen steadier shots from a schooner in a 35 foot wave.

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    Big, strong, well trained men in tactical gear pushing, threatening and arresting women and children … and they wouldn’t go into any actual threatening situations to deal with actual violent crimes.

    Bunch of cowards going after the weakest in society … classic yellow bellied fascism.

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      Looks like Germany during the 1940s, when people were also dragged from their homes. Good luck y’all

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        Reporting in from Poland (Canada). We are so fucked I don’t think enough people realize it yet.

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          Yep, fascism has to have an in-group and an out-group. As they work through the groups of immigrants, trans people, Democrats, etc they need to find new ones to persecute. They’ll work through their own undesirables and then they’re coming for us.

          It’s just like Nazi Germany in the 30s. It didn’t take long for Hitler to turn his eyes on Poland.

          He will come for us. His talks of the 51st state are not a joke or a bluff. People are not taking it seriously enough.

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      well trained

      They are well trained in thuggery and how to evade legal consequences. 80% of cops wouldn’t know discipline or acting through adversity if it knocked their teeth out, and the 20% that do learned it in the military.

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      With enough time, people around the world won’t be comparing things to Nazi Germany anymore, but instead to Trumpian America

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      MAGA is the movement, GOP is the party and ICE is the goon squad. Deportation apparatus is operational. Media cooptation, military buildup and foreign bullying is incomplete, but underway. All in all, their evil campaign still lacks scale and foresight, but they’re getting there. Opposition so far is not much more than the eye movement of the deer in the headlights.

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    without showing a warrant

    I’m so tired of the legalist caveat, implying a Trump judge rubber stamping warrants for these gestapo shits would have made kidnapping and torturing a woman and her infant child acceptable.

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      But it does highlight that any random brute could put on a mask and do this with no authorization whatsoever. It’s a fundamental human-rights and rule-of-law breakdown to fail to present a warrant. I agree that a warrant doesn’t ethically make the arrests anything short of monstrous, though. That kind of legalist can suck eggs.

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        But it does highlight that any random brute could put on a mask and do this with no authorization whatsoever

        I believe this a part of the plan.

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      The war for ethics has been lost decades ago. Legality is fickle and often unjust but it’s all that people have at this point.

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    The woman’s teen daughter was left holding the woman’s baby and stood in front of the car in an apparent attempt to stop it. After handing the child to another person, she allegedly kicked the car—and was also reportedly arrested on four charges, including child endangerment. Police have not disclosed what happened to the baby afterward.

    fuck you

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      And the mayor had the audacity to say they don’t agree with what ICE did.

      That’s great, but maybe get your police force to stop enabling their actions.

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        Even better, have your police force enforce the damn law. Arrest these men when they try to kidnap people without a warrant.

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      Yeah, police have a ton of latitude when they decide who to press which charges on and who they just let go with warnings or whatever, choosing to throw child endangerment at this girl is just straight up trolling

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        Nah, that’s what we call the tool of resistance AFTER the peaceful action gets escalated to violence. Maybe H.A.M. (is that an acronym?) radio operators could help setup a system to facilitate the use the communication and education for setup. Keep in mind that the FCC has control of radio bands and frequency in the US.

        Not sure what a you would call the equipment of the communication system.

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    If you are ICE, fuck you. You should be ashamed. Your parents should be ashamed

    If you are someone who stands by while these cosplayers are kidnapping and torturing people, then you deserve your place in hell

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      And to the police that showed up to arrest their neighbors and enable ICE I hope hell is real because you deserve worse