• Treczoks@lemmy.world
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    I once asked my nephew about this - he worked in a hotel back then. Yes, indeed, they clean toilet brushes in a dishwasher.

    But it is a separate one that is only for toilet brushes and brush holders, nothing else.

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      I would completely agree with this and do it like this. Why? Saves time to say the least.

      But, using the same one as for dishes? No way. Separate one, marked and all that? Makes perfect sense 👍.

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        IF your dishwasher is working properly then you ought to be able to put your poop knife, dinner dishes AND toilet brushes in and everything comes out sanitary.

        Don’t ask why there is peanut butter left on the knife. You’ll be ok.

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          This isn’t true. A generic dishwasher for at home is not up for the task. Even the stuff they use in restaurants aren’t up for the task. And they already wash with boiling water. Despite this, there are always leftovers. I had the task of cleaning these things at a maccy Ds. Found pink mold that thrived in coffee grounds to survive the dishwaser perfectly. Like the pink goo from the teletubbies.

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            Yeah, you need a dishwasher with a proper sanitize cycle. Most residential dishwashers, even some with an alleged sanitize cycle, aren’t up to the task. This is why laboratories will pay top dollar for an industrial dishwasher that looks nearly identical to a residential version but it actually will sanitize its contents.

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              Holup, you raise an interest point. A true sanitize cycle is heat. It gets hit enough to kill everything.

              How the fuck is a plastic toilet cleaning brush surviving the level of heat sufficient to kill all bacteria?

              If the original dishwasher from the past for got enough to kill bacteria, the brush couldn’t survive. Therefore, the dishwasher isn’t getting hot enough to kill bacteria. Therefore don’t put poopy plastic into your dishwasher!

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                So what we’re looking at is sanitize vs sterilize.

                A sanitize cycle typically gets the temperature of the water up to about 65-75°C and holds it there for at least 1.5 hours. This kills the vast majority of pathogenic microbes as human pathogens typically live at around human body temperature. You’ll see ads on how this cycle kills 99.999% of microbes, but the fine print typically states something along the lines of “foodborne microbes” or “pathogenic microbes”. Anything outside of that may survive, especially if it’s a species that forms endospores or a toilet brush.

                Sterilizing by definition kills anything living and deactivates viruses. You won’t get sterilization by heat in any dishwasher, which is why laboratories and medical facilities sterilize with an autoclave. An autoclave utilizes pressure to raise the water temperature up to around 120-135°C without it boiling. This still won’t sterilize everything, particularly the aforementioned endospore forming bacteria, but it’s functionally sterilized for most purposes. For true sterilization, certain autoclaves can reach much higher temperatures and pressures, in excess of 600°C and 0.5 GPa, respectively, which obliterates fairly well everything, but those are extremely uncommon and for niche uses as temperatures that high may just melt your glassware.

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              And last a lot longer… probably.

              Bottom line, no, I’m not washing feces in my dishwasher, period.

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                Oh totally. If I had a dedicated shitwasher, sure, but not in the dishwasher with my dishes and utensils. I’m a microbiologist so I’m pretty cavalier about my everyday microbe exposure but that’s a really bad idea.

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                  Try and explain to some people here that not all germs are the same and not all germs/parasites get killed at 90 or 95°C 😒.

                  Dedicated dishwasher (which I would never buy, since I wash those things like once a year), sure. But, hotels doing that, yeah, I can see it and there is nothing wrong with that, as long as they’re done separately in a dedicated one.

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          Yeah I was gonna mention that I don’t think the soap and steam really care if it’s poop germs or food germs. As long as your dishwasher is working properly, everything in there should be snapped out of existence.

          Seriously just make sure the peanut butter is rinsed off beforehand.

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            Incorrect. It’s not the same set of germs. And there could be parasites’ eggs in poop. And they are very resilient.

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              My brother in Christ it’s still extremely hot steam and soap. I didn’t mean they’re the same kind of germs but they’re germs. High temperature and soap kills them because if they didn’t I got bad news for the dude who shit himself and tried to shower. My point was they all die.

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                Not nearly enough hot (and long). That’s why they have autoclaves in hospitals.

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                  Well, it’s a hospital. They handle a lot worse than poopy bacteria. Just because carpenters bring a nailgun that doesn’t mean a hammer isn’t nearly good enough.

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      I had an old dishwasher I used as an improvised parts washer when fixing up cars.

      I used a ratchet strap to keep the door closed because the latch was busted, but it still heated the water and sprayed it just fine.

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      I worked at a restaurant in the kitchen. We had a place on the wall to hang brushes. The GREEN brushes were to be used for food/prep areas only. The white brushes were for cleaning toilets, and other filthy places.

      The white brushes were soaked in buckets and rinsed/washed thoroughly in a slop sink, then later, put in the racks that push through the dishwasher conveyor belt that ran through the machine if I recall correctly. It’s been more than 20 years

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    Wow, you can never tell with people. Go to someone’s house, and maybe they’re secret toilet-brush-in-dishwasher people. And there you are, innocently using their dishes.

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      Thank God dishwashers are not that common in my country because I’m sure stupid people would use it like this.

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      Sometimes it’s great having life threatening allergies - my whole life I’ve never trusted food that anyone else has made, I have perfected the art of the polite rejection.

      I see things like kitchen sink spaghetti, dishwasher fish, and now dishwasher toilet brush, and I look back at how I’ve coincidentally dodged all those bullets.

      (Growing up, in my house “kitchen sink spaghetti” was sometimes also called “crisper drawer pasta”, it was all the wilted, sad vegetables that had been neglected in the fridge. Chopped, roasted, pureed, and served on pasta… No actual sink involved, we just called it kitchen sink spaghetti because it contained “everything except for the kitchen sink”…so learning that some people genuinely use the bare sink to drain pasta - and not just for click bait and views was disgusting eye opening)

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    Yikes. I would never eat there again!

    Logically, the heat used for drying should kill any germs. But why risk it.

    I rinse mine in the toilet bowl when it has bleach based toilet cleaner in it. That alone keeps them pretty clean.

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      It wouldn’t be the heat used for drying, it would be the heat used for washing. Assuming that you have a dishwasher with a sanitize cycle/option always use it. they are required to reach a minimum temperature of 150f. typical range in actual products is 165ºF to 180ºF (74ºC to 82ºC)

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      I rinse mine in the toilet bowl when it has bleach based toilet cleaner in it. This is the way. Edit: I don’t know how to quote :P

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    You have to consider only two things really:

    • Maybe, just maybe, something which was designed to kill the bacteria and remove the residue of things that came in contact with fresh or at most rotten food, is also totally effective at doing the same for things that came in contact with fecal mater and with toiled cleaning chemicals. Or maybe not.
    • Do you for a toilet brush need the level of cleaniness achieved by a dishwasher, and if not are there other reasonably simple methods to achieve the required level of cleaniness for it?

    In the absence of actual scientific studies that provided an answer for the “is a household dishwater entirelly effective for fecal mater and toilet cleaning chemicals contamination” question with a high degree of certainty, the consideration on whether to do this or not boils down to: “Is a dishwasher level of cleaniness for a toilet brush worth the risk that the dishwasher might not deal with fecal mater or toilet cleaning chemical contamination correctly?”

    Personally, I don’t think it’s worth the risk.

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      This is a very reasonable post.

      Here is another reasonable approach which is simpler. Isolation and containment is the best way to prevent spread of bacteria from one place to another. Minimising taking any items from the toilet to the kitchen, minimises the spread of bacteria between the two places.

      So without any scientific study or evidence specifically to dishwashers and toilet brushes, we can make a reasonable assumption that taking a toilet brush from the toilet to the kitchen is a bad idea and should be avoided.

      I doubt this is real, but if it were and I were the poster I would also isolate and contain that home. I would erradocate the movement of me from any other location to that home.

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    I mean… that’s putting a lot of faith in the dishwasher to work properly every single time you do it. I don’t know if I’ve got enough trust in the 1995 beige “landlord special” under my counter right now.

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    Ew… like, all alone, with nothing else in the dishwasher at all, and a rinse cycle in-between that and other things that you plan to eat off of?

    Even then, it seems inefficient to me. Also, why would those even need to be cleaned - do you plan on eating off of those?!? They get “cleaned” well enough by going into the toilet - no need for more?

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      Usually I clean the toilet with soap and the brush, and then occasionally clean the brush by cleaning the toilet like normal, flushing, and putting a stronger antimicrobial (looks like bleach but isn’t, since they don’t sell it as much anymore due to the danger it has around the house) on the brush and then rinsing it in the toilet and flushing again.

      Mostly I don’t want it to stink. It’s bad if anyone has cause to notice the toilet brush tucked almost behind the toilet. Same for the plunger.

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      Meeh, I do clean them from time to time. They do become very dirty after a while and it shows since they’re white. Not really often, like once a year, but still.

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        Great! But uh… the more distance between them and things I eat off of, imho, the better! :-P

        Just like Skibidi Toilet, simply b/c you can do something, does not mean that you should.

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          Great! But uh… the more distance between them and things I eat off of, imho, the better! :-P

          Of course, I don’t clean them in the dishwasher, lol 😂.

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              You take the bowl in which it resides, you clean that with… whatever, soap, shampoo, dishwashing liquid. Use a dish sponge from the rough side, gets the best results 👍. Then, you fill that up with some hot water and pour some soap/shampoo/dishwashing liquid in that and start stirring that with the toilet brush, just grinding it in there. You do that for about a minute, it should be shiny as new.

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          You take that shit back right now or Ill wash your mouth out with an uncleaned toilet brush!

          Skibidi Toilet is fucking brilliant for what it is. Its like an abstract arthouse scifi film made with free tools. It somehow made me laugh, cheer and feel creeped out. Ive seen worse content made by serious movie studios. Its amazing to watch the whole.thing and see the creators skills come along throughout.

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            Oh, I forgot the /s. The joke was too good to pass up.

            I did watch every single episode. It was… well, it existed, and that is something that I can say about it! :-P

            Also, it is highly creative, that is another:-).

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    What the fuck is wrong with people.

    how the fuck do you lack this much common sense? to put your fucking shitty toilet brush where you put your eating utensils?

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        They’re still not the same germs. No dishwasher goes over 90 or 95°C (household ones). There is bacteria in feces that can survive that temperature. Not to mention parasite spores/eggs, some can easily withstand even 150°C.

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          You are forgetting caustic bleaching chemicals… I mean it’s gross but also hygienic

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            But are you going to add bleach to your dishwasher when you run the toilet brush, then do dishes normally on the next cycle?

            Seems like you’re opening a whole new can of health-hazardous worms with that plan.

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    I understand the ick factor, but dishwashers are built to sanitize. Its going to get hotter than anything you’d wanna stick your hands in.

    The biggest worry would be the bristles clogging the drain.

    Now ask her how she cleans her sex toys.

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      That’s not the problem, the types of bacteria and parasites is. They’re not exactly the same.

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          It’s supposed to get hot enough to kill. You’re putting a lot of faith into a machine that doesn’t get much maintence done on it.

          If my dishwasher does not heat sufficiently, it may take me years to discover that with no ill effects to me.

          If a poop dishwasher is not heating correctly, it may take them many rounds of illnesses before they connect the dots. That is because they’re putting poop into the dishwasher which sprays liquefied poop onto all their dishes and flatware, but never sanitizes anything.

          Tldr, don’t put poopy objects into the dishwasher.

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    Sounds gross but as long as it isn’t with dishes and the dishwasher works right why would it be a problem? Soap is soap.

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      I mean I have no reason to think it’s bad… But it still doesn’t feel comfortable.

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      I mean, if a household that keeps kosher has two sets of everything (plateware, silverware, sinks, etc) to make sure meat doesn’t touch dairy…the logic states you should have a different machine/method for excrement-related things to ensure it doesn’t touch your normal plateware and silverware.

      I, personally, would not be comfortable using the machine again for food related things if I found out my housemate had washed the toilet brush in our dishwasher. Poop is meant to be expelled from your body, not consumed in any way - may I remind (the royal) you how pink eye originates?

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    Not gonna lie your sister might have some mental illness, let’s consider for a minute that the dishwasher might be very very good at cleaning I still would never do this due to the gross factor. Sorry mate but I’m not gonna put anything that goes in the bathroom anyway near things that food goes on to!!