Ugh. Go away
If she shut up and went away, then protesters probably wouldn’t bother her.
Why should she do that?
If you lose to Donald Fucking Trump, you should be too ashamed to show your face in public.
I think her stances on all important political and economic issues were better than Trump’s. The American people want unpredictable tariffs, authoritarianism, and an end to the rules-based international order that the US established in the wake of the second world war. She offered a reasonable alternative, and it was rejected by the American people. I don’t think she should need to be ashamed about that.
That’s a pretty emotional argument. She’s a mature woman in her 70’s. I doubt she would see it the way you do.
Would you end your current career if you had some sort of major failure? Personally, I would try to learn from it and do better next time.
Kamala Harris is 60.
If my failure caused 4 years of Donald Trump? Yes, I would find another career. How many fully loaded 747s can a pilot crash before they shouldn’t be speaking authoritatively on how to fly planes?
You really like false equivalency arguments, don’t you? Harris didn’t singlehandedly cause four more years of Trump. That took the entire GOP working/plotting towards it for four years, as well as many failures in leadership, on both sides, among many departments. I blame Biden’s DOJ for not prosecuting Trump for inciting an insurrection more than I blame Harris’ rushed campaign and handful of poor responses to questions. I also blame voters like you, who still fail to see the big picture and, instead, waste energy trying to punish neoliberals for playing neoliberal politics when the choice is between more neoliberalism and outright fascism. Both choices suck, but one leaves the option for a long game, while the other leads to minorities like me being murdered by the state.
Of course it was a team effort to lose. We all agree. Nobody solely blames her. But this issue, genocide, is one that could have changed the entire campaign. She fucked it up then, and she still can’t admit it… So what we all see is her lack of values on display. No need to listen to that, to respect that.
What would the Democrats have to do to lose your support?
How much failure and faked impotence does it take for you to discard them?
Don’t answer that, just think about it.
Imagine a pilot flying a plane into a building and then going on book tours. Even worse, it’s kind of obvious the pilot did it because rich people and foreign nations told him to.
“I’m not the pilot right now”
Because she’s supposed to be a good person who isn’t tone deft?
Guess that was just an act too.
She blamed anti genocide protesters for her loss and is trying to make money off it.
Remember, Kamala is the reason Trump won.
People not voting in their best interests is why Trump won
Why did they not select the candidate they wanted in the Democrat primaries? Oh right DNC blocked that.
It is astounding how hard Democrats are willing to defend the Kamala when she is literally responsible for Trump winning. A wet sack of potatoes would have beaten Trump.
There was cheating. They literally set ballots on fire in blue areas.
So why did Kamala instantly surrender and did she not demand a recount? She caved to Fascism like it was her job. Zero fighting back.
Why did we not recount desteoyed items?
France have been mobilising for the lesser evil candidate for several elections. Are they better? At least Lepen didn’t get elected.
I think Democrats have been manipulated into abstaining from voting by the right.
They should be ashamed.
French liberals (Macron) literally staged a coup to prevent the left from winning and promoted the far right. What the hell are you talking about.
More people didn’t vote at all than who voted for Harris. The vice president isn’t in charge of policy. Biden is the reason trump won.
I mean I agree, 4 years of Biden was a disastrous failure that Kamala should have made a hard break from as soon as he dropped out, but didn’t. Ridiculous, its like they were intentionally trying to lose.
She explicity said she would run on the exact same policies as Biden.
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Palestine voters, you are a bunch of fucking morons
One candidate (Kamala) was willing to listen to you
The other candidate wants to level Gaza and turn into a resort
And you went with the candidtate that wants to turn Gaza into a resort.
I personally never gave a fuck about the people of Palestine. I still don’t give a fuck about them, I just have too much on my plate to care about them. But I did vote for Kamala and I did hope she’d help Palestine, but she lost…so eh I geuss Palestine gets fucked.
People blaming Kamala because her policies in some issues were not perfect, and thats why they dont vote for her. Now because of that you have the Superfragilenazipotusshit as President, he is surely doing much better than Kamala… Also, probably you are not having any more fair elections, now it’s gonna be all Russian style elections, unless there is some kind of uprising.
I hope I’m wrong on that, but I think I’m not.
Goddamn these fucking protesters are such inauthentic losers. So “brave” yet terrified to protest the Trump administration.
Fucking phonies. They don’t even remotely give a shit about Palestinians.
The pro-Palestine movement is protesting against the Trump administration almost every day. Just because Democrats are one degree better doesn’t mean they get a pass for supporting the modern-day Holocaust for 16 months and handing the country on a silver platter to Trump.
Every Democrat who played a part in propping up the inanimate corpse of Biden and supported the genocide in 2024 need to be run out of politics and reminded of their miserable fucking FAILURE to stop fascism for the rest of their lives.
And people like you are why trump won.
Good argument. Wanna call them a bot next?
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If such people are why the democrats lost, then maybe the democrats should’ve listened to them? Basic politics 101. Next time try listening to voters if you want their votes.
No Harris knew what’s best, anyone saying she’s wrong was a Russian bot who never voted except somehow also voted for Trump.
No you!
Kamala Harris is why Trump won. She made it clear that she didn’t want the pro-Palestine movement’s votes and paid the price, that’s how democracy works.
So Trump got the “pro-Palestine” movement’s support via them deciding to not vote for his opposition. Great job. Really helped Palestine by easing the way for the racist dictator!
🤷♀️ you don’t get a pass for supporting genocide just because your opposition is one degree worse. If democrats wanted to win they should have listened to the voters and not their billionaire consultants and AIPAC donors. Sucks to suck!
If your goal was to stop the genocide, you should’ve voted for the person that values human lives over the one that doesn’t value anyone but himself. There was a chance we could’ve mounted enough political pressure that Harris would eventually cave. There’s zero chance of that with Trump. Forest through the trees.
If your goal was to stop the genocide, you should’ve voted for the person that values human lives
Neither of the top two candidates qualify.
There was a chance we could’ve mounted enough political pressure that Harris would eventually cave.
Read this again. Pay attention to how weak of an argument it is. There was a chance she would eventually cave? Come on, no one really believes that, especially when she gave no indication that she believed anything different than Trump or Biden about Israel’s genocide of Palestinians. You just got an “I can change her” vibe from her with no evidence.
He said from his spinning office chair in his air conditioned room.
Then he went downtown to punch a homeless kid in the face and grab a coffee from that new place.
You are what you are. A person who lost because they wouldn’t get off the fence.
I absolutely despise trump. With that said, I hope we never see her as president. She’s insanely out of of touch with the common folk. I’d much rather see AOC or that Texas democrat dude with the ears
There’s this whole slough of Americans who want ranked choice voting and just can’t articulate or perhaps even fathom that that’s what they want.
Rep Tallarico?
I will take any functioning adult who I can not easily visualize mentally as a 1940’s German officer.
… so … umm… Trump?
I mean those guys were fit and all.
I dunno mate Hitler was proper crazy by my understanding of history.
Sure, but also a war veteran of one of the shittiest wars in history. I’m not excusing the man’s action (fucking obviously I hope), just saying that Trump and fellas have experienced nothing even remotely like that. Even the guys who have participated in US “wars” haven’t.
Ditto. She would have made a terrible president. My mind was made when she didn’t ask for a recount. I hope we don’t see her in 2028. I hope we make it to 2028…
Yes, I would love to see Beto or AOC!
Read the room Harris and stop justofying your mistakes
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What has Kamala said or done in the last 9 months to fight the fascist regime? Has she called for people to get on the streets and protest or called for a general strike? No, shes done fuck all except write a book full of excuses for losing from her Bel Air mansion. And you’re over here defending it, its pathetic.
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Because the current regime is worse does not make her stance better. They have not done anything that Biden did not or would not do, and she promised to continue what he was doing.
Genocide is, or at least should be, a very clear moral issue. Either you are against it, or for it. There is no middle ground. There are more people on the liberal side who are willing to hold to their morals. They did not try to garner their base, they tried to garner the billionaires and republicans who were not fully on board with trump. Any idiot could have told them that those republicans would vote republican in the end any way. In addition, the dems rigged three primaries in a row dating back to Bernie in 2016. Biden got elected because Trump absolutely fucked covid. No one was voting for him because they thought he was a great candidate. He promised to be a one term president. That was his main line in 2020.
2024 would have been a great time for him to step aside. He didnt. The dems did not ask for any vote to replace him in the run in, they just said here’s your choice. She did nothing but say she would continue doing everything he had done. The dems sold out themselves and the country to the billionaire class. People were mad about that. All they did was say they would keep doing it.
Even now, they do nothing but say “oh my gosh how can we stop this”
They enabled this to happen, and are now trying to say look we told you so, even when their own policies have shifted far to the right.
There is no liberal or left wing party in the US. In most civilized countries, the Republicans would be considered far right extremists, and democrats would be considered right wing.
But again, if genocide is not a place you draw the line, it is very unlikely that you will draw the line at democracy.
Kamala Harris being a corrupt, genocidal moron is why Trump won in 2024. Trump didn’t win, the Democratic elites gifted the election to Trump by nominating such an evil person.
And people like you fell in line and gifted Trump the presidency to punish the democratic elites.
If this lady can’t even commit to stopping a genocide, then what makes you all think she would have saved democracy? Whenever I see her speak I think of the scene from Breaking Bad: you are not the guy!
She wasn’t advocating for authoritarianism so that should be the first hint.
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Not surprising after she banned Gazan supporters and a local Democrat legislator at her own DNC rally.
Absolute garbage mound of a candidate and campaign that completely deserves to be thrashed by the very constituency she refused to acknowledge.
Bunch of you failure shills in this comments still thinking this was a progressive candidate need to look at literally any of her responses to questions about public policy. Nothing but a 1:1 copy of Biden’s equally shit tier response to major internal and external issues, and very obviously way more right leaning than Obama.
I still remember some of you outright denying the existence of Gaza protestors at DNC events, as if any news outlet reporting it was a Russian compromised asset, and any user on lemmy.world supporting such action was a lemmy.ml Chinese spam bot in disguise.
Quite frankly anybody that’s still defending the Democratic Party and the AIPAC-driven Harris 2024 campaign sounds more like a bot than any of the real people I talk about politics with every day who absolutely despise both Trump and the feckless, centrist Dems.
Ah yeah, good thing we got all that but way worse with how people voted.
Domestically, yeah he’s worse, he’s literally an authoritarian fascist dictator.
For Gaza? Biden was literally worse. He was way more outspoken in his support for Israel, he never showed compassion for Palestinians, and he called himself a proud Zionist constantly. Not to mention he spent WAY MORE of your tax dollars on military support to them.
Like it’s not even close, $28 billion vs Trump’s $16. And you’re still repeating the same bullshit…
Kamala Harris ran on a pro-genocide platform and was very supportive of Israel. This was one of the reasons why she lost.
What, specifically, was the “pro genocide platform”? Because I remember that election pretty well, and I don’t recall any advocacy of genocide, at least not from Harris.
Let’s be honest for one second. Here’s how American politics on Israel actually breaks down:
Democrats: often criticize Netanyahu but never actually cut off aid. However, several Democrats already opposed continuing aid to Israel and the rest of the party conceivably could listen to growing opposition to Israel’s war.
Republicans: actively hate all poor brown people and want Israel to kill them all. They will also use deportations and any other means available to silence anyone voicing opposition to said killing of all poor brown people.
I get that neither choice is perfect, but I really can’t see why it’s a struggle.
She did not distance herself from Biden on the subject. As the democratic nominee; heir to the Biden campaign; and then current VP in the Biden administration, this meant that her platform on Gaza defaulted to being the Biden policy.
I agree that I would rather be fighting a Harris administration over Gaza policy instead of a Trump administration. But running as a less bad version of the opposing party is not effective politics.
In that same vein, protesting a former VP from a party that is out of power is also not an effective form of activism.
You’re so caught up in left vs right that you fail to see that they are two sides of the same coin. Democrat waffling paves the way for Republican atrocities. The two parties act in concert to enact the interests of the ruling class. The only way we are getting out of this is if we abandon the framework they have indoctrinated us in, and start seeing the world clearly, as a struggle between those who have against those who have not.
Here we go again with the “we hate Israel so we won’t vote for Kamala and allow Trump to win so he can supply Israel with more bombs” crowd. Brother the entire ticket was pro Israel. Stop blaming this one issue as the reason she lost.
Whats even the point of democracy if politicians aren’t running to give people what they actually want and just point at the greater evil and say “I won’t do anything to improve your lives, but the other guy is really scary and bad!”. Can you even name a single Harris 2024 policy proposal off the top of your head?
I am not a fan of Kamala. The DNC should be dismantled for how they handled the 2024 elections.
However I consider myself somewhat educated so when I’m offered either a turd or the end of democracy as we know it as the only VIABLE options, then I’m going to choose the turd.
I will admit that the situation isn’t lost as some of the dnc leaders are at least realizing their mistake so hopefully, if we even get the chance to vote again, they will support the right people next time.
If you want to win elections, you need to give the voters what they want. You should not complain if you lose after running against what your voters want.
The difference between the dnc and rnc is that the rnc is united behind 1 set of morals that stays relatively consistent: religion. The dnc is more like a coalition of different ideas. So you are right that they should have done more to capture more voters.
However the non voters and protest voters are “cutting off their nose to spite their face”. Idk if you’re familiar with that saying but in other words they voted against genocide and instead voted for more genocide. If you don’t see how that is a fact then I’m sorry but you lack comprehension of reality and need to do WAY more research and studying so you can sit at the big kids table.
The person said “one of the reasons”, as in one reason out of many. Sorry to be flippant, but jeez, people really need to learn to read.
But how can it be one of the reasons when her opponent was way worse on this issue, and all the other issues
It’s possible to be upset that you have no candidate who opposes genocide, no matter how preferable you think genocide(D) is to genocide(R).
it’s a trolley problem. realistically, there are only two choices in the presidential election, and it’s our responsibility to vote for the one who will cause less harm. I fucking hate Kamala, but I held my nose and voted for her because trump is causing even more damage
in an ideal world, we could have a real election and vote for an actually good candidate, but that is not the world we live in
But all of you people who held your nose and voted for her are the reason why she felt able to run on a pro-genocide platform. If you all had more morals, the Democrats wouldn’t have felt safe running a pro-genocide candidate. (See the game can be played both ways when we decide not to blame the people who actually deserve it — those at the top).
Absolutely it is. But if you voted for trump or didn’t vote for Kamala you helped get trump elected whether you like it or not.
Wouldn’t it be lovely if it wasn’t a 2 party system where both parties are neoliberal corporate stooges.
But that’s not reality and hoping for puppies and rainbows doesn’t do anything
Because they’re really really stupid but have good intentions
I guess I’ll accept some possibly reasonably sized portions may in fact just be well meaning morons. Which I don’t really like saying, like I think 99% of people are totally capable and have to be trusted with making fundamental political decisions.
So, by that token 99% if people are push to shove responsible for the results of their actions. Not the intent
I think people thought by voicing it to her, she wpupd change las minute then they would vote. She didnt blink, and so these voters also didnt vote for her out of spite. And these voters still get to ctey “i did not vote for Kamala” for dubious moral high grounds.
Here’s how it works, and you can lay this to rest.
I am an activist. I am or knocking doors for candidates. That means I’m volunteering my own time and money.
If she isn’t willing to come my way on Palestine, why should I spend time and money on her?
That’s why she lost. We all voted, but she had no grass support.
There’s a difference between putting on a show to impress your activist buddies and actually caring about an issue. These people protesting Harris are like you, just putting on a show to aggrandize themselves. No different from the MAGAs.
I dont think you read my comment.
The ones that allowed Trump to win are all of you who insisted on voting for a nonviable genocidal candidate despite everyone telling you “we’re not voting for her”.
You trusted media polls instead of your own eyes and ears, and you explicitly voted for genocide, and now you’re blaming those with a moral compass for refusing to vote for it.
Biden was way more pro Israel than Trump, most of Gaza was destroyed under Biden, Trump has supplied less bombs than Biden, and you’re convinced Kamala would have been better than Trump? She campaigned on most lethal military in the face of genocide protests.
You just wanted her because it’s better for America, not for Palestine. Stop making the Trump is worse argument, because Biden was way worse. Take ownership of your moral failure so that you don’t repeat it again by campaigning for genocidal Newsom instead of revolting.
And don’t give me any bullshit about having the chance to do something under Kamala, you didn’t do anything under Biden and you’re not doing anything now, yet you’re still blaming those who had tried to do something.
You wanted status quo, you wanted comfort, you wanted Kamala to finish the genocide quietly while denying it, you wanted to get back to pretending like you have a functional democracy. And you’ll deserve everything in Trump until you find your moral compass and join those who refuse to support the “lesser evil” and revolt.
Your empire is collapsing, and your dictator is not going away without force, and your crowd are obsessed with the next election. You need to stop working, you need to stop labor, you need to revolt.
It’s uncomfortable, I know. You’ve had two years to prepare yourself, how much longer do you need?
also, genuine question, what is trump doing better than Biden? trump is causing endless trade wars and has ruined our reputation with the rest of the world
I voted to cause the least harm possible. unfortunately, both candidates were pro-genocide,so we were stuck between someone who was going to cause a lot of harm and someone who was going to cause even more harm. it fucking sucks, and I wanted to throw up while filling out my ballot, but I live in reality
How’s that working out? 🙈
This thought process makes no fucking sense though because the other guy did too…
Kamala was very obviously the “better” choice for Palestine.
Yes, she’s still a shit choice for Palestine.
But I don’t understand this logic, this person is going to let a genocide happen if we elect them, the other guy is going to let a genocide and a fascism happen.
Someone make it make sense
If you want to win elections, then you have to listen to the voters. If you push an unpopular genocial candidate like Kamala Harris on the voters, “the other guy is much worse” argument is not going to save you.
Some people don’t like being taken advantage of as much as you do. There’s your answer. They don’t like being given no meaningful choice, and that’s what harris represented.
Put yourself in the shoes of someone who doesn’t support genocide if you can imagine it. You don’t get a primary, and the candidate you get is as pro-genocide as the one you would have voted against in the primary. You’ve been railroaded. You knew the guy the party wanted wasn’t gonna win. You know this one isn’t gonna win. You know that smug genocide supporters are gonna blame you no matter how you vote, even though they’re the ones that refuse to listen to the people. After all, they would rather you have no choice. They made that clear when they robbed you of it.
Makes a whole bunch of sense when you consider a lot of America still just can’t accept the idea of a woman as president, and they’ll use any excuse they can to make themselves feel better about the misogyny.
A whole lot of people wont vote for war criminals of any party, its that simple. If Harris had half a brain she would have read the polls and known she had no route to victory in supporting Israel.
If you want to now cry and point fingers, go ahead. You got maneuvered into supporting war crimes and now you want to pretend to be better than other people. You’re down in the mud with the rest of us. You’re no better or worse, but you are being a smug jerk with nothing to be smug about. Thats pathetic.I think you think I’m like pro Harris or something, I’m very much not. I’m just talking about how utterly illogical it is to choose the greater of 2 evils.
If you can’t morally vote for a lesser war criminal I honestly understand it.
You just need to admit that you’ve helped enable trump
Trump is doing a fantastic job supporting Israel in her place
If you want to win elections, then you have to listen to the voters. If you push an unpopular genocial candidate like Kamala Harris on the voters, “the other guy is much worse” argument is not going to save you.
Kamala lost because she was terrible at everything
Kamala lost because she was running on a Campaign of Joy™️
The only way to win a campaign is to garner more rage than your opponent. Nixon’s campaign manager put it well- “The secret to politics is to know who hates who”. That’s how they flipped the then deep blue south into a Republican stronghold for 60 years.
Frankly I think this is why we are doomed to civil war, candidates that try to calm things down will always lose to candidates who fan the flames.
Who has the video when she was doing a rally for her campaign and protester said free Palestine and she shut them down ?
sigh looking back, we saw all the signs… https://youtu.be/FTIFTsrx0fI
I remember in that same time and day the whole leftist internet were retweeing her clip and hashtagging #ImSpeaking celebrating how powerful she was shutting down a crowd asking their VP and presidential nominee to do something about the genocide, in that same day, 500 people were massacred by Israel. It was too disgusting, and has aged like rotten milk
