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      If such people are why the democrats lost, then maybe the democrats should’ve listened to them? Basic politics 101. Next time try listening to voters if you want their votes.

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      Kamala Harris is why Trump won. She made it clear that she didn’t want the pro-Palestine movement’s votes and paid the price, that’s how democracy works.

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        So Trump got the “pro-Palestine” movement’s support via them deciding to not vote for his opposition. Great job. Really helped Palestine by easing the way for the racist dictator!

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          🤷‍♀️ you don’t get a pass for supporting genocide just because your opposition is one degree worse. If democrats wanted to win they should have listened to the voters and not their billionaire consultants and AIPAC donors. Sucks to suck!

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            If your goal was to stop the genocide, you should’ve voted for the person that values human lives over the one that doesn’t value anyone but himself. There was a chance we could’ve mounted enough political pressure that Harris would eventually cave. There’s zero chance of that with Trump. Forest through the trees.

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              If your goal was to stop the genocide, you should’ve voted for the person that values human lives

              Neither of the top two candidates qualify.

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                I disagree. Harris was the driving force behind some major lawsuits that gave millions of dollars back to senior citizens who were defrauded by billionaire’s corporations. Trump has never, and would never do anything like that. Harris has largely tried to do the right thing throughout her political career, presumably because that is what is politically beneficial for her and she seems to want to leave a positive legacy. In other words, whether she actually cares about people or not, she’s a career politician who has consistently demonstrated that she wants the public to believe she cares about people. Out of the two options we were given, she’s clearly a better choice if you want someone who can be pressured into doing the right thing. Trump is more concerned with doing whatever he wants, then convincing his sycophants that it’s good for them, after the fact.

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                  Harris has only tried to do the right thing if it was politically convenient. Remember in the debate when she called out the racist history of Biden? Magically she dropped all that when she became his VP. Similarly, she was willing to run with the genocide platform because she thought it would help her chances at the presidency. Yes, she’s the better choice, but even the better choice is not good enough. Neither candidate was willing to do something about the genocide and I think that’s something important to recognize.

                  It doesn’t mean I think she wasn’t the better candidate and it doesn’t mean I think people shouldn’t have voted for her, but when we’ve come to the point where genocide is being actively supported with Biden sending billions of dollars in weapons to the cause and Harris hitching her trailer to that dumpster fire (and this is supposed to be the “good” party) then the situation is just absolutely fucked.

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              There was a chance we could’ve mounted enough political pressure that Harris would eventually cave.

              Read this again. Pay attention to how weak of an argument it is. There was a chance she would eventually cave? Come on, no one really believes that, especially when she gave no indication that she believed anything different than Trump or Biden about Israel’s genocide of Palestinians. You just got an “I can change her” vibe from her with no evidence.

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                  Yes, and I will reiterate: it’s a weak argument. This supported by the fact that it failed to convince enough people for her to win.

                  Democrats need stronger arguments if they actually want to win (assuming we have elections in the future).