Writing with a marker is not engraving
How he managed to fit such long messages on a bullet?
And a third unfired case read: “If you read this, you are gay LMAO.”
Fuckin’ lawl
“Did it for the lulz” old meme checks out.
Inscriptions on a fired casing read: “notices bulges” capital “O-W-O what’s this?”
Imagine having to say that at a press conference.
So to sum up, Charlie Kirk was downplaying gun violence in the US, and using a racist dogwhistle to do so, WHILE standing under a giant fucking “prove me wrong” banner, when he was shot with a bullet labeled “OWO what’s this?” by a Mormon cop’s kid from Utah (ie, whiter than raisins in potato salad).
That is an actual fucking series of events that actually fucking happened. We’ve gone past “the onion is reality” to “this would be too on the nose if it was an onion article and yet it’s somehow reality”.
this is very besides the point, but “whiter than raisins”?? i’m scared to ask, but how white are your raisins, americans?
edit: after further research, it seems like american raisins are not white either, in which case, wtf is this sayingNot whiter than raisins, whiter than “[putting] raisins in potato salad.” It’s a reference to cooking. Also, I’ve never seen anyone do thay and I’m from the US south, so…pretty white I guess.
I’d rather sandpaper a crocodile’s asshole in a phone booth
They said “whiter than raisins in potato salad.” It’s a meme saying that white people put raisins in potato salad.
There’s a book by street lit author Quan Millz called Becky Put Raisins in the Potato Salad. This is actually where I heard about it and I was like “ew! Raisins in potato salad??”
I’ve never seen a potato salad with raisins in it. Sounds gross.
The writers are really forcing it this season…
I’m curious if they spelled it out or just said the word owo
But… What is “O-W-O”?
It’s in the same family as UwU
It’s supposed to be a face. Don’t know the origin but it got popular through text roleplay shit, though folks say it phonetically now too.
Oh. Thanks!
I think Morty from Rick and Morty makes that face quite often if you want an animated rendition lol
*getting to say that at…
New article suggests the shooter was from a MAGA family, and even had a note about what kind of messages they planned to engrave they had shared on Discord.
The comments in the article have since been retracted; the source hadn’t talked to the shooter in years, and admitted they didn’t remember their relationship
But they were published nonetheless. I gotta admit that, should the writing on the casings be real, a MAGA would be highly unlikely to use the term “fascist.”
Um, those same people called Obama… fucking Obama a fascist and a communist. Talking about MAGA as if they’re coherent is intellectually dishonest. Some of the memes on the shells are about as old as the shooter and only actively cycled in alt right groups.
A MAGA would be highly likely to use the term “fascist” especially if they’re a groyper. They have a history of calling Kirk a fascist and rivaling with TPUSA’s events on college campuses for a while now.
Groyper.
Unlikely. His motivation was to oppose Charlie Kirk from “spreading hate.” That group’s objective would have been the opposite. He was radicalized by the far left.
Who do you mean by far left?
Anybody even remotely left of Reagan.
Reagan the COMMUNIST?!?!
Liar.
Source on that?
Let’s update em: https://www.commondreams.org/news/charlie-kirk-2673989947
Wow, you must be so embarrassed.
Everyone saying this has no idea what a groyper is. But I am numb to caring at this point. Every last American wants to feel like they know something special and unique about every notable event.
edit: STOP 👏 GIVING 👏 POLITICAL 👏 RELEVANCE 👏 TO 👏 MORONS 👏 WHO 👏 WANT 👏 ATTENTION
Aren’t groypers further right than charlie was, and had a tendency to refer to him as a fascist?
They’re dungeon dwellers who have no real values or principles other than trolling and being offensive. They’re not any kind of real movement, just an online clubhouse. A lot more people than them called Kirk a fascist, but we have a general public who really want to draw lines and find reasons for things.
nick fuetes groyper.
Was no one paying attention the first time Taco “won”? Lots of talk about groypers back then…
“Family member” narc’ed.
Important lesson everyone, listen up: someone will always narc. It’s a surveillance society in a heavily propagandized world. Your right to remain silent is all you get.
he called his dad and confessed. his dad advised him to turn himself in. he said he’d rather commit suicide. his dad called his youth pastor to talk him down, who called the US marshals to secure him. I feel bad for the dad… that’s got to be a genuinely horrible situation to navigate.
Not really.
The dad caused the problem when he suggested his son turn himself in like a bitch and a pussy.
Law enforcement are just state-sponsored goons at this point. They exist to “keep order,” not protect innocents.
Youth pastor calling the marshals man. Cold.
Would Jesus narc on you? Friend, he would not. Mostly because he didn’t exist but still. As a character that is not consistent.
Jesus did actually exist. He was like a guy that was really there at some point
[citation needed]
This was all proven in that documentary we all saw, The Life of Brian.
Not the dude in the Bible, because the things he’s supposed to have done are impossible. So probably there was some dude that did or said some things and then got a bunch of folklore attached to him. A certain amount of the jesus story comes from contemporaneous myths - IIRC, a virgin birth was a common one.
So probably there was some dude that did or said some things and then got a bunch of folklore attached to him.
Yeah. Likely Osiris. Almost all of the Jesus stories are taken from earlier solar deity “myths” and put into 1CE Judea. Like a graduate school production of Richard III in space with cigarettes.
JudeaPalestineFTFY
that’s certainly a take that most secular scholars of early christianity would disagree with but do you
True, true. However scholars of Christianity kind of have a bias there, dunnthey.
So does the youth pastor get the reward tax free?
Is there a reward? Wouldn’t it be backhanded if the youth pastor donated the reward for catching the shooter to some Kirk cause.
If the shooter turns themselves in, do they get the money? OwO
I didn’t even consider the reward. I wonder if the dad will get it.
“How’d you get rich”. I raised my son wrong
Jesus wouldn’t narc on you, but he might tell you to surrender yourself to police. no murder is one of the Ten Commandments. this is how Catholic confession works, at least (I am not Catholic.)
I suspect the kid consented to the pastor calling the marshals, after deciding to turn himself in. otherwise how would they know where to find him that quickly?
Genuinely, WWJD is an interesting thought exercise here.
Without really digging for it, my first guess would be “repent and sin no more.” I imagine less turning oneself in to the cops, and more directly asking forgiveness of the ones you wronged. There wouldn’t really be a “setting it right” for such an act though.
That’s where I can’t imagine where things would really go. The feebs would definitely involve themselves anyway, even on the razor slim chance the aggrieved did not.
As much as we very much disagreed (to put it gently) with this hateful brainwashing crusade and are maybe glad to be rid of a prominent source of it, it is still not the way of Christ to be another’s executioner.
I’ll be honest, I’m struggling here. On one hand Kirk was causing a lot of harm through pursuading the worst sides of people under the guise of “logic.” His individual capacity for further harm has been neutralized (“martyr” narrative aside), and that feels like a positive.
But in the end, I don’t want to celebrate murder. I wish it never came to this and people had enough sense to have just ignored him entirely. The fact that so many people find this ideology appealing and we’ve gotten this deep demonstrates a moral decay of our civilization, and in the end he was slain by the monster he and his ilk helped to unleash on us all.
Heh sorry for the rant as a reply. Just thinking out loud I guess.
I’m Catholic. When I was a kid I had to go to confessional and like most Catholic kids we just made shit up cause I mean come on, no kid is keeping tally of all the stuff they’ve done. So we’d just lie to the priest and try to one up each other with “stuff we did”. The priest never told our parents or teachers.
What’s the most unhinged confession you and your friends did?
And it was always “three Hail Marys and a Glory Be” and you’re golden. What a weird ritual.
I’m not Catholic, but the confession is one of those things that, if done right, might actually be very valuable. The ability to talk to someone about the bad stuff you did, get it off your chest, get some sort of closure so you can let it go, without any risk of getting ratted out to the authorities, could be very good for your mental health, I imagine.
And if everybody does it, there’s no stigma attached to it. So if you go and have nothing to say, you go to cover for the people who do have something.
Though modern therapy can serve the same role, of course.
From the pastor calling them in hushed tones from the back room?
I dunno. Agree its a terrible situation.
An increasingly large number of people don’t care if they get caught afterwards.
That makes sense. I was just thinking about the plan ally these people have. Shooting someone like this is a bad idea. If your plan is shoot and run, they are going to have cameras. Do something remote where you can first run to another country and the “shoot”, or play the plausible deniability card and do get caught.
“my drone malfunctioned while varying a very heavy camera and it just fell on him” is more believable than “well I was just standing there with my rifle, and when I saw what happened through my scope I jumped from a roof and ran because I was afraid of getting blamed for it”
That’s a super-weird metric, but okay.
How does that even get counted?
Now we’ll see if they pay the bounty.
$100,000 bounty I’d give up my piece-of-shit cousin
I would not. Not even for ypur cousin, especially not for popping some douchelord.
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They’ll probably never see the reward. The McDonalds employee who turned in Luigi hasn’t seen a penny.
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This guy killed a fascist spreading hate and violence towards minorities. He was literally in the middle of it when he was killed. I’m not sure the “piece-of-shit” label fits.
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I’d give up my just cousin for free if he’d gone on Jan 6.
If you don’t want the $100.000, PM me.
A Wall Street Journal report, citing an ATF bulletin, had previously said the casings were “engraved with expressions of transgender and antifascist ideology.” The transgender symbols were later understood to relate to markings identifying the manufacturer.
And a third unfired case read: “If you read this, you are gay LMAO.”
FBI director concludes speech with “Rest now, my brother, we have the watch, and I’ll see you at Valhalla”
Reality is satire
“Rest now, my brother, we have the watch, and I’ll see you at Valhalla”
Why is a Hindu telling a Christian that he’ll see him in Valhalla?
Fascists of all stripes have a weakness for Norse mythology.
Fun fact: christofascists are why most of Norse mythology is lost, everything that couldn’t be recast as part of the Christian world was violently suppressed
Yes, they do, sadly. I’ve loved Norse mythology since I was a kid but now I can wear a tee shirt with a Norse reference on it without people thinking I’m a fascist. 😞
Something about an ever flowing cauldron of pork stew and a one eyed raven.
Yeah I feel you. I’m fascinated with the early Indo-European past but so are heaps of fascists.
Yeah, a weakness and no actual knowledge of Norse mythology. Some dumb fascists getting popped on a stage isn’t something Odin or Freyja gives a fuck about. They only get to Folkvangr or Valhalla if they die in combat. Most of these cowards will piss themselves if they ever see a battlefield.
“Use the Force, Harry Potter” - Jean Luc Picard.
It was Gandalf of The Round Table who said it.
Forget it - he’s rolling
…The Aristocatts!
The FBI director is mistaken, no nazis in Valhalla.
“I’ll see you in Valhalla”
Obvious Nazi dogwhistle is obvious.
Nazis are obsessed with Norse mythology.
A lot of the far right in fact.
This is true and as I am familiar with Norse mythology neither of them are eligible to go there.
He did not seriously say the valhalla line, did he? Please tell me that was actual satire?
FBI director is a nutcase
Who is this trans-ideology ammunition manufacturer?
Is trans ideology even a thing? I thought it was just people trying to live authentic lives?
Is trans ideology even a thing?
That’s called a Linux subreddit
I thought it was just people trying to live authentic lives?
It is
But fascists are trying to genocide us and will use any tool available to them
It should also be noted that “transgender ideology” is a term coined for and used in anti-trans political messaging to falsely equate identity with politics, which is a way to frame transgender identity as a political choice rather than an innate identity.
As if Valhalla would open its doors to these pussies.
I opened up Ground News today and the mainstream news sources are just full of this statement that the bullets were “engraved with transgender ideology.” Someone has been making very sure this falsehood is the message all the journalists take away and report. And now it has been all over the news throughout the day.
It’s horrible seeing the fascists lie and lie to set up trans people as villains and enemies.
And what’s with this “anti-fascist ideology” thing? Remember before 2015 when anti-fascist ideology was just the default and the baseline for being even a half-decent person?
Anti-fascist ideology
Damned straight.
Don’t forget that the Wall Street Journal ran with this news without bothering to check. Love those clicks!
Hire the handicapped …
Reminder that Ground news exists entirely to push a “both sides” narrative in a world where right wing media openly seeks to push “alternative facts” and big lies.
Well, yes, I have a similar view of anything that makes politics into a balance between “left” and “right”. Even to treat them as two ends of the same line overly elevates the right, which is just a bunch of base impulses, toxic personality defects, resentments, lies and scams dressed up as a political ideology. So I agree with your point and I don’t treat Ground News as a map of truth, but I do find it handy for getting a quick overview of what many news websites are saying and how the right is spinning things.
Know your enemy. I feel like your chances of helping deprogram someone are higher if you know what bullshit they’re being fed. Then again I’m batting zero so who knows
did Ground News report that as fact? journalism 101: when you report on a rumor, clearly mark it as a rumor. or just don’t report rumors in the first place.
Ground News is a news aggregator that publishes links to other sites’ news pages. It doesn’t really have editorial content of its own, though it does have some AI summaries which should be treated with the appropriate mistrust.
Forgot to mention your promo code.
Can we find the person who, for no apparent reason, interpreted manufacturers markings as apparent ‘trans ideology’ and ask him wtf that was supposed to accomplish? I mean if you don’t know what some markings mean, aside from blatant bias is there any possible way to get to ‘trans ideology’ from manufacturers markings? Are they using male/female icons? Emojis? Printing them in rainbow colors?
EDIT: the misinterpretation may actually be a series of arrows related to a Helldivers 2 move. Up, right, down, down, down. There is an anti fascist icon of three downward arrows. I’m guessing the idiots thought the other two arrows looked like those astrological gender icons and decided that must mean trans somehow.
TRN. It’s the manufacturers code for a Turkish company called Turan. That’s what I heard at any rate.
Identifying that as trans is just rank incompetence. Anyone that stupid would be fired in a sane world. Under our fascist regime, new FBI director incoming.
Made the joke yesterday that it probably said Remington. Its fucking hilarious that my joke was so close to the truth lol.
Anyone that stupid would be fired in a sane world.
Kash fired every above that intelligence level. Sycophants and dipshits only from now on.
It sounds like someone had a theory and Patel went off before any research could be done. Not to defend the fbi but it sounds like they did what they are supposed to it’s Patel who keeps fucking up
I’m not a gun person but my understanding is that no one who’s looked at bullets could mistake a manufacturer’s imprint. Where it is and what it looks like preclude it being anything else. It would be like confusing a barcode for a brandname.
Talking about the engravings.
Ah, yep, fair enough. That is definitely more understandable as a preliminary theory that Patel should not have been mouthing off about yet.
When did “mind your own fucking business” become an ideology?
Hey can someone tell me what the fuck “transgender ideology” means? Because to me that phrase makes absolutely zero sense
I’m trans and I’ve yet to have anyone explain it to me.
Ahh Trump cleared that up today. “Transgender for everybody,” it’s one of the left’s demands. I guess it’s like abortions on demand, but like, everybody is given a gift bag of HRT at their next PCP visit. Here’s some estrogen and some narcan, go slay in today’s world girl.
“Transgender ideology” is the outrageous radical belief that transgender people are people and deserve to be able to live their lives.
Reported
^ O GAWD. This one has been indoctrinated.
What?! When did they start doing this!?
Sometime prior to 2300BCE
Just right-wing drivel to discredit a minority they don’t understand. There’s not much to understand beyond that because them they don’t understand it themselves.
TRN. That’s what was on the bullet. Which is a manufacturing mark.
Other things written on the bullets imply that the shooter idolizes Nick Fuentes, and is, in fact, somthing called a Groyper.
As a note, Nick Fuentes hated Charlie Kirk.
Honestly though, it’s reasonable for them to think it was trans related, considering Charlie’s rhetoric - we can’t expect the FBI to know what bullets looks like.
It’s when they tell you to install Linux and put a lift kit on your 01 Tacoma.
Loving how this headline makes it seem like engraving bullets is some sort of rite of passage for gun owners.
The other inscriptions on the fired casings:
“notices bulges”
capital “O-W-O what’s this?”
Inscriptions on the three unfired casings:
“hey fascist!” “catch!” Up arrow symbol, right arrow symbol, and three down arrow symbols.
“Oh Bella Ciao, Bella Ciao, Bella Ciao, Ciao, Ciao.”
“If you read this, you are gay LMAO.”
Also:
A Wall Street Journal report, citing an ATF bulletin, had previously said the casings were “engraved with expressions of transgender and antifascist ideology.” The purported transgender symbols were later understood to relate to markings identifying the manufacturer.
This says that the “sequence of arrows” was interpreted as a transgender symbol.
Now we know that the sequence of arrows was “up, right, down, down, down”
…that’s the strategem code for the 500kg bomb in helldivers 2.
The ATF interpreted a video game reference as a transgender symbol…
Edit: another claim I’m seeing, quote from snopes:
Some users online claimed officials had misinterpreted “TRN,” an engraving found on ammunition produced by Turan Ammunition, a Turkish company, as “transgender ideology.”
This is a more logical mistake to make but is also an embarrassing and irresponsible mistake from the ATF if true.
The ATF interpreted
the atf interpreted a 14 inch shoelace with a loop in it as an automatic rifle. they can suck any one of my defective buttholes
embarrassing and irresponsible mistake from the ATF
Oh that’s kinda been their MO for as long as I can remember. It’s kinda their motto. Instead of educating anyone, they routinely do things like try to preach the horrific danger of detachable magazines as the dork tries to insert it backwards.
It’s also a straight up meme that they’ll conduct some half assed raid where they shoot someone’s dog and go “Whoops. Wrong address.”
They know less about firearms than your average airsofter or tactical gamer, but they’re an authoritarian arm on “regulating” the things so they’re usually the first to jump to wild, illiterate conclusions.
I think socialist gun owners and insufferably right wing gun nuts could probably high five over beers when it comes to their mutual sheer lack of respect for the ATF. Lol
Ah and here I was hoping for the konami code
Yeah, missed opportunity but hey. Kids have their own things.
I’m surprised they didn’t interpret the three arrows as antifa, they’re so fucking incompetent.
I mean I could almost see that? Helldivers is kinda a satire on the american brand of fascism so it could be argued its an anti-fascist peace of media. But that’s a stretch to say the least.
But my real issue with this is that federal investigators saw something they had absolutely no clue what it is and called it a transgender symbol. Its an incredible amount of bias in a particularly very bigoted way.
Reminds me of a lyric from The Clash - “taking off his turban, they said, ‘is this man a jew?’” They see something unknown to them and just assign it to the marginalized group they have a preconceived notion of being bad.
Sorry, there were multiple fired casings?
They found the gun, no? So maybe they found the ammo as well
Right, but this says “fired casings” as in multiple fired casings. Wasn’t there only one shot fired?
As I understand it’s actually three unfired casings.
Just one fired casing, three unfired per the article.
Is it at all possible that they were interpreting the “bulges” thing as trans related? Not to say that it is, but it seems more likely than the TRN thing.
How was it engraved? Did the guy own some sort of engraving rig? How did he fit all this text on a bullet?
They say “casings” but they said that there was only one shot? I am confused.
I’m assuming they found other rounds that were engraved.
yeah the one was really long.
That’s some pretty impressive engraving.
