“We should defederate from everything which does not agree with my .world view and create a giant centralized echo chamber”!
Why the fuck does every .world user suddenly want Lemmy to be Reddit?
Personally I would like to be able to talk to people with different views, in a civil manner. But Lemmy.ml doesn’t seem to want that. If you post something that they don’t like (even if it’s a very moderate view and is expressed in a completely civil way) then they ban you. They seem to really hate moderate people.
Most of the users saying this went around screaming the word Tankie all over the place on .ml.
I got instance banned for saying federal democratic republics are a form of democracy.
Edit: I also don’t care. I never expected M-Ls to do anything besides M-L things and they don’t owe me anything.
Modlogs are public, everyone can see why you were banned.
Also no ml would disagree with that, here’s Lenin explaining the difference between a capitalist democracy and a workers democracy.
Everyone can see why the mod said they were banned. If you believe the mod logs, I was banned from 196 for “supporting genocide”
If you believe in modlogs, then drag was banned from [email protected] for “trolling”, which is what a trans person explaining their pronouns is.
To be fair, to me (a 30-something gay dude from EU) what you posted here in the screenshot looks like taking a piss and trolling.
Wait, you’re DroneRights?
Probably shouldn’t support genocide then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I would love for you to find the comment where I did that
Which is why you can see them do it exactly as stated. “American propaganda” lol.
Have fun hanging around people who ban people for disagreeing with the party line of a dead ideology that had its corpse cannibalized by fascists. That will surely lead to the second revolution.
Can you point at me where it says you were banned for “American propaganda”? I tried ctrl+f “propaganda” to see what you were saying that got you banned and nothing came up.
Nobody is going to disagree that a bourgeois democracy is a democracy, only that bourgeois democracies represent the people instead of bourgeoisie.
That’d be the part where they hid the actual comments and mod responses on all the .ml communities. Interesting that it rewrites the history when they decide to undo it, I hadn’t actually noticed it expired.
So weird and uncharacteristic of M-Ls to do something shitty and then delete the records and then lie about the cause because it makes them look bad…
61·7 months agoModerate in what context? Moderate about Jews in 1938 Germany? Jews at some point in time before that? Black people in 1800s Amerikkka. Black people in today’s amerikkka?
Being banned means less of a problem for you - got a reason to ignore them and let them echo chamber however they want.
every accusation is a confession.
I’ve never banned anybody for saying their view, and I don’t think I’d support someone being banned for saying their view, as long as they’re being respectful, and as long as they’re not advocating anything criminal.
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“Different world views” isn’t a problem, the problem is users espousing repugnent “world views” and being assholes.
Pretending like we have to put up with other users’ repulsive, insane “ideas” and bullying behavior in our spaces is laughable. Bigots, fascists, and actual tankies can fuck off.
You probably have some views that are repugnent to me, and vice versa. That’s freedom of speech and political pluralism.
being assholes.
This though, I agree just ban that user.
One of the instances believes Hamas are freedom fighters and the state of Israel has no right to exist.
The other believes the inverse.
Who is the fascist with repugnant world views?
Hamas and the Netanyahu regime are bloodthirsty authoritarian regimes who both qualify as terrorists, given their recent exploits.
Dodged the question about Israels right to exist. Supports the Fascist state and condemned the freedom fighter.
There is your answer folks.
Isreal does not have a right to exist, Israelis do, but Isreal doesn’t. It only exists because the land it was on was forcibly taken from Palestinians. Edit: spelling
But Palestinians do not have the right to fight back against their occupiers, They should die quietly while everyone with the moral high-ground says what Israel doing is bad and proceeds to do nothing about it.
I agree no state has a right to exist
Israel, as an idea to act as a haven after the 2nd world war for European Jewry, is dumb to begin with for a plethora of reasons at the time.
That said there’re plenty of states through history that begin under dubious pretenses. Their citizenry doesn’t deserve wanton violence nor does its necessarily deserve wholesale dissolution.
Israel does have a right to exist. The Israelis don’t have a right to take land forcibly from people.
honestly y’all should go ahead and block every instance; we’d all be better off without you fascist bootlicking .world users
in what universe is a settler state that’s been brutalizing and ethnic cleansing the people from whom they stole their land the “freedom fighter”
Israel, as an idea to act as a haven after the 2nd world war for European Jewry, is dumb to begin with for a plethora of reasons at the time.
That said there’re plenty of states through history that begin under dubious pretenses. Their citizenry doesn’t deserve wanton violence nor does its necessarily deserve wholesale dissolution.
Israel does have a right to exist. The Israelis don’t have a right to take land forcibly from people and murder women and children.
Israel does have a right to exist. The Israelis don’t have a right to take land forcibly from people and murder women and children.
But that is how Israel exists. How can it not have the right to do that and then have the right exist simultaneously?
How can it not have the right to do that
Forcibly take land and murder civilians?
and then have the right exist simultaneously?
One can have a country and be fair and magnanimous with the people who were on the land before.
If calling Israel a terror state means supporting it, then you tankies must be the DNC!
the latter. go back to Reddit lmao
States don’t have rights, humans have rights, and the existence of Israel as an apartheid settler colonial project is incompatible with the human rights of the groups they are oppressing.
That’s true for essentially every state to some degree or another
I love it when obvious trolls are obvious, Once I’ve blocked enough of them whomever is left are people I can actually have a conversation with.
Do not answer the difficult question lest the mask starts slipping.
Eh… Lemmy is already a lot like reddit in the very beginning, just more extreme.
I think a big problem with Lemmy is that even the large instances only have a few terminally online posters, so a lot of the communities get warped by those posters biases.
Right now Hexbear is having a little internal conflict between the mods and some posters over the harassment of lgbtq and POC. The mods started out handing out temporary bans to offenders and then people started freaking out because no one was posting shit.
Because Lemmy is fucking communist.
Please go back to reddit.
But they’re not wrong
You go back to lemmy. Oh wait
As long as it’s not only lemmy.world communities you start growing. Centralization won’t lead to good outcomes anywhere.
Absolutely! Grow a community on any instance that doesn’t allow the kind of users that lemmy.ml does I say.
I think we gave them too much power by making their communities as big as we did
I’m glad there is enough critical mass to move past those fucking hatemongers. “Pure free speech and anarchy!” If you say exactly what we want you to, also don’t accidentally offend us with normal fucking words
don’t accidentally offend us with normal fucking words
What were the normal words that people found so offensive?
They’re not anarchists tho. Don’t associate anarchism with .ml bullshit
Of course, because there is no true anarchist.
But they don’t even pretend to be anarchists, they’re Marxist-Leninists, hence the ml
If “they dont even pretend to be anarchists”, then why would the comment
They’re not anarchists tho. Don’t associate anarchism with .ml bullshit
be necessary in the first place?
If you look at the comment above that one, you might be able to figure it out
What do the call a fallacy where you find an imaginary fallacy in someone else’s argument to sound smarter?
Is it a fallacy? I frequently run into self-styled anarchists who describe other self-styled anarchists as “not real anarchists”.
.ml people don’t even describe themselves as anarchists, from what I’ve seen. And those that do, often hide behind that label in bad faith
“Free speech!”
Ok tankie.
“Not like that!”
Did you know that Norway, Sweden, and Denmark all have laws against hate speech, harassment, and discriminatory expressions targeting protected groups. For instance, Norwegian law prohibits public statements that threaten or insult someone, or promote hatred based on factors like ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation. At the same time they consistently top indices like the Reporters Without Borders’ World Press Freedom index. I’m not saying that your comment is threatening or anything, but it doesn’t seem very important to me to protect the right of someone to use a crude derogatory like “tankie” (a word with parallels to terms like “pinko” and “judeo Bolshevik”).
Even the US has protected classes even if the list is woefully short.
I doubt tankies are a protected class in nordic states since they are like nazis and other groups that fetishize violent oppression. Tankie doesn’t parallel with pinko becsuse one is about violent oppression and the other is about the left side of the political spectrum.
In reality, the pervasiveness of derogatories like that limit free speech. Of course, this goes the same for calling everyone one disagrees with a lib or fascist as well.
Permitting hate speech limits free speech by making the space unsafe for marginalized voices.
What are you saying that causes people to call you a liberal or a fascist?
Thank you, that’s true but doesn’t catch the nuance of my argument. It doesn’t need to be hate speech to have a chilling effect on public debate. Name-calling instead of actual political discourse, for instance.
I’ve been called many things but liberal or fascist are seldom among them. I do observe comrades who use those terms very lightly and in uncomeradely fashion though.
Or more subtly:
I can’t even say life’s a bitch over there without being filtered because of misogyny which I guess? But that’s not my intent and I don’t think the majority read it with that connotation. What if I just want to quote a Nas classic?
It gets dumber: last I checked their word filter doesn’t pay any regard to a comment’s set language so even If I set my comment to French “retard” will be filtered on ml communities and to their users regardless of where I comment.
Je suis en retard
Becomes
Je suis en removedEdit: actually, let’s see if this has been fixed, test French comment in reply to this:
Edit2: lmao
I’ve tried to talk about fire retardants there once… It gets cut too.
Je suis en retard
oh no I’m not allowed to use a slur even though I’m using it in a common phrase that originates as the slur being used as a slur
I’m supposed to get away with doing things
Dudes takes are so bad even he doesn’t want to upvote them lol:
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Did you only read half of my comment?
What about the French example?
You said two stupid things but only one of them was fun to make a joke out of.
Your french shit is equally stupid. “But it’s not a slur in a language we aren’t speaking right now so I should get to say it!!!”
How about you just stop having a piss fit you spoiled little fuck? Not once in your ‘analysis’ are you bothering to do the literally only valuable piece of thought work: actually measuring the cost/benefit of having a strong deterrence to bigotry vs “I can think of a word that has a slur as part of it but can still be easily understood by people reading it through context clues”
When a piece of shit only weighs the cost of doing things to protect vulnerable minorities and not the benefit to those people, it’s pretty fucking easy to suss out their beliefs on the issue in general.
I was in an argument with some .ml tankie yesterday, and they had the gall to say that “free speech that doesn’t threaten the government is tolerated everywhere,” in response to a comment saying that the CCP censors speech. They didn’t like my assertion that that statement also applies to Nineteen Eighty-Four’s Ingsoc party. It’s technically true, that free speech that doesn’t threaten the government is tolerated in Oceania. It’s just that the government considers any dissent threatening.
My last straw was when I made a meme on their meme instance that had no Asians, anyone related to Asia, or racism in it. And they removed the post with 500+ up votes and a healthy discussion, because my title was “Rice.”
They literally told me rice, the word by itself, is racist. I just chose a random word for the title to fill the blank.
You didn’t choose a random word. It’s obvious why you chose that specific word in reference to gaming hardware. And we know the racist roots of the term.
Yeah, we’d hate to make a good alternative when everyone can just use Bluesky and Meta.
The hate for .world simply because of size doesn’t make sense to me. It’s fine to make new (unique) communities elsewhere, but shunning the biggest successful communities on .world to try to grow empty communities on other instances is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
If you’re constantly shunning the biggest instance simply for being big, you’ll end up killing Lemmy.
There’s more than just being big, those things may not matter to you, or even the majority, but I’ve heard enough gripes repeated to know some people are bothered.
The flip flopping on policies without clear transparency bothered some people but tbh I forgave that as growing pains of being in charge of a new popular platform.
The one mentioned more often is how they’re one of the main ones to federate with Meta’s Threads. Integration isn’t really there right now anyway but every other major Lemmy instance has preemptively blocked them already:
sourceI can respect the Threads thing. That’s a valid reason other than “we need to be even smaller”.
It’s not that we need to be smaller, but we benefit if we all grow similarly, or at least the community distribution does.
I don’t think most of the data in the network should be hosted by a single legal entity, that’s just unhealthy even if the protocol is open. It’s also my main complaint about bluesky- technically open protocol, de facto centralization.
You can see instances that haven’t been defederated. Why is it important for everyone to be on the same one? Everyone has the ability to get the same feed on All.
Listen. Just fuckin listen to me. The moment I joined lemmy every enthusiast was singing praise to the fediverse and how it’s easy to maintain the freedom of speach and yada yada yada. What it turned out to be is just constant quarrels between instances, defederations and crap like that while lemmy still fucking struggles to even become a mere shadow of reddit. I fucking hate reddit, I think spez should be covered in fire ants, but by god, looking at how insufferable most vocal lemmy users are, I may get back to reddit, probably as many other lemmy users already did.
If it helps, most of this inter-instance drama comes from a surprisingly small group of people. I’ve blocked most of them (looks like I missed the OP here) and it’s much quieter now. Looking at my block list, they’re mostly from .world, but that could be due to the large population.
It is easy to maintain freedom of speech on Lemmy. The idea that your instance can defederate from instances like Lemmy.ml, but everyone on Lemmy.ml can continue to post on their own server, and federate with any other given server by default is the entire point of federation and proof of concept that the fediverse is great for free speech. You’re under the impression that all Lemmy servers are supposed to be part of one big whole, but that’s not what the fediverse is for.
You have to understand that “free speech” is a negative freedom and it doesn’t mean everyone has to listen to you. It just means nobody can force you not to speak.
I wonder how long until .world defederates from .world.
inshallah
.world is just where right-wingers go to pretend they’re not right-wingers.
If you’re unhappy why stay? Personally I’m happy with the Lemmyverse as it stands now — certainly happier than in the corporate lowest-common-denominator that is now Reddit.
same logic as “if u hate america then leave”.
some people want to do their part to make the site (or country) better. they cant do that by giving up and going back to reddit. lemmy is great…but it could be better.
just constant quarrels between instances, defederations and crap like that
Sounds like you picked the wrong instance. The one I use doesn’t defederate, from anyone. So when some drama about "should we defederate from some server because they are a big corp/because they are right wing/because they are tankies/because they allow loli/whatever, I basically get to watch and laugh knowing it’s not going to effect me.
🤨
yep… with everything going on in life, globally and personally, I really can’t think of anything i give fewer fucks about than lemmy in-fighting
grow the fuck up
Can’t be any worse than the linux rabbit holes on here over just mention of anything electronic. I’m not even arguing it’s like someone obsessed with garden tools and that’s all they can talk about.
To them: Just give it a rest for a second please and talk about literally anything else going on in your life maybe even stick to the topic once in a while.
It’s sad when fanboys make AI generated output seem more interesting and well adjusted.
I’m mainly on Lemmy becuase it’s open source and like the idea and I want it to flourish and therefore every defederation makes me sad :(
The whole point of federation seems to be the ability to have villain instances that we all fight about. PVP social media
I don’t think the meme makes sense. The ml users don’t seem to care how much other content is out there. They still participate as much as they’d like.
lemmy.ml users reaction:
You folks are blowing this way out of proportion.
Another day of .world reddit migrants thinking de-federating or boycotting .ml will change literally anything.
It will. It will change which instance they shriek “tankie!” at.
It is funny being one of the few somewhat rightwing people on here and getting called a tankie
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Why would you want to create an echo chamber? I genuinely don’t get it, it’s the internet, if you encounter an opinion you disagree with, literally just close the tab and it’s gone
I feel like I’m missing something important here as a simple fediverse user. I don’t really care about the politics, I just made an account during the first large Reddit exodus and choose an instance I thought would persist. I also made a second account on kbin.social, but it looks pretty dead as a project.
I never noticed anything described in this thread, but I’m subbed to many communities across the fediverse…
The beauty of the fediverse is that you can make it how you want. You can self select into a instance that best reflects your individual values. You can block what you want. You can see publicly what the instance and moderators are doing.
Why would anyone be mad about that?
As a lemmy.ml account holder… I’m a bit out of the loop. I’m not tied to any single instance and can move to a new one (any recommendations?), but what does ml do that’s bad? Honest question, promise, I don’t follow this stuff very much
Free speechers on .world can’t handle interacting with any dissenting opinions to the left of the Bush Administration.
no, I can’t handle being banned for pointing out that the uigurs exist and are being genocided by a certain dictatorship rn
Posting this to lemmy.world, lol
Here’s a list of a few .ml communities and potential replacements:
- ask lemmy - [email protected] [email protected]
- linux - [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]
- memes* - [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]
- programmer humor - [email protected]
- world news - [email protected] [email protected]
- technology - [email protected]
- funny - [email protected]
- ukraine - [email protected]
Side note the main issue with .ml is transparency. It’s fine if the admins of an instance implement whatever rules they want in their instance; however, once they start enforcing hidden rules disguised as violations of the listed rules, they’re being liars and treating the users as stupid things to be herded, not as human beings.
EDIT: as people noticed I’m not including .world comms to not encourage even further concentration of activity into the largest instance. Decentralisation is important. Also I’m adding stuff that you guys suggest.
* for specialised memes, as the category is rather large:
It’s fine if the admins of an instance implement whatever rules they want in their instance; however, once they start enforcing hidden rules disguised as violations of the listed rules, they’re being liars and treating the users as stupid things to be herded, not as human beings.
I see a lot more of that on .world communities, specifically the news and political memes communities will remove comments for “misinformation” even if you’re citing academic works.
If the .world admins are doing it too, it’s also bad. Thankfully I didn’t list a single .world community, although for another reason.
Citing some random paper doesn’t make what your saying not disinformation.
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From a formal logic perspective, your statement is true. But in real life, the more important distinction is not between “true” and “false”, but between “purposefully deceptive and ungenuine disinformation” versus “outspoken dissenting viewpoint”. And that is one that people are really bad at telling the difference between, especially if the viewpoint in particular is one that they hold very strongly.
will remove comments for “misinformation”
As they should
even if you’re citing academic works.
I’ve seen the “academic works” y’all cite, blog posts, YT videos, random books and retracted studies
random books
So if we’re not allowed to cite books, what exactly do you want?
blog posts, YT videos, and retracted studies
Who is citing those? I’ve had liberals link hour long youtube essays and I just say “lol I’m not going to read that”, but I’ve not noticed anyone on the left doing that.
I had the audacity to say that the deaths of Tiannanmen’s Square were inexcusable, no matter who started the violence, and my comment was removed under instance rule 1 (bigotry)… like wat 😂
Ah, typical lemmy.ml . They have a hard time understanding that you can support a certain ideology without necessarily turning a blind eye to everything that people claim to be doing for the sake of said ideology, or that any criticism against their actions is automatically false.
I remember you, by the way. You were already an old Lemmy user when I joined in, 3y ago!
My OG account is 6 years old 👴
You are our past
Our present
Our future
I dared to say that the illegal, violent invasion of the foreign nation of Ukraine was bad. Turns out NATO made them do that, as well as rape and torture all those people and steal the children. Who knew… 🤷♂️
The irony of so-called Marxist-Leninists refusing to be self-critical…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_and_self-criticism_(Marxism–Leninism)
[email protected] has over 70 times as many subscribers as the other two asklemmy communities combined.
I’m avoiding linking lemmy.world instances. We shouldn’t put even more eggs in that basket, you know.
But maybe we shouldn’t throw out the few eggs Lemmy does have.
Nobody is throwing eggs out. I’m recommending one basket instead of another, that’s it.
Yeah, it should be easier to grow ten communities about the same topic than one.
If you want to grow other instances, do it with unique stuff, not stuff .world already has. It’s not like there no room left.
Get a game developer to start posting their stuff on your new instance. Get celebrities to start posting their AMAs somewhere. Get big newspapers to start their own instance.
Do something other than trying to kill the dozen successful Lemmy communities we do have. Federation is a feature, not a purpose, and it’s already doing its job by making .ml less relevant for a good reason.
Yeah, it should be easier to grow ten communities about the same topic than one.
Yeah, because people don’t totally cross-post stuff all the time, or subscribe to multiple comms around the same topic.
If you want to grow other instances, do it with unique stuff, not stuff .world already has. It’s not like there no room left.
If you’re that pissed that I’m not listing .world comms, to the point of trying to boss me around (see emphasis on imperative), you can list yourself those comms. With blackjack and hookers.
Do something other than trying to kill the dozen successful Lemmy communities we do have.
Okay, full stop here. Cut off the crap - in no moment I’m trying to “kill” those communities in .world, and you’re being a disingenuous liar (or worse, a bloody moron) for claiming otherwise.
Not going to waste my time further with you.
Doesn’t this exact argument go for the few lemmy.ml eggs as well?
Yes, but it’s a smaller issue than .ml’s censorship issue.
Do something other than trying to kill the dozen successful Lemmy communities we do have.
[email protected] has twice the number of active users compared to [email protected] , still people won’t move to it, keeping both communities active and preventing grow of a single community on that topic.
If you’re so in favor of growing single communities on a topic, could you please consider redirecting to the lemm.ee community? It’s not like LW is lacking in active communities
Same for [email protected] and [email protected]
I’d generally be in favor of some kind of cooperation agreement. I’d certainly promote the larger community over the smaller one.
We absolutely have allowed moderators to close and redirect their community off of LW…
Hello! That’s a very lovely formatted table with links, however, clicking on them does nothing for me whilst clicking on links otherwise in the replies does take me to the respective communities. I don’t know if it’s just me though.
That’s weird - are you accessing lemmy through a browser, or some app?
Check if it works here: [email protected]
If it does then it’s the table interacting weirdly with the links, I can fix it by removing the table.
The .ml transparency thing is a symptom, not a root cause. The admins like and even participate in the .ml rhetoric. The rules ambiguity is intentional.
It’s a great advertisement for communism that’s for sure. They haven’t even gotten real power and it already resembles the worst of what communism offers. They’re a bunch of wannabe Ceausescu’s.
We could argue that the root cause is that .ml admins pretending that their instance’s target audience is wider than it actually is.
I was rejected when I first tried to sign up (when I was entirely new to lemmy) and they’re turning at least one user away now
Ah, they do it now? When I signed up there (~3y ago) there was no such thing.
Anyway, it’s still a problem because most users interacting with .ml content are from other instances.
3 years ago were there any other instances with traction? Agreed on your second point.
Nah, there were just LG and .ml, as OpenStars said. Technically HB too but they didn’t federate due to technical limitations.
Lemmygrad.ml is 5 years old, and hexbear.net is 4 years old.
Why were you rejected?
Who knows? Lemmy gave very little feedback messages then. I found a good instance to stick with.
Edit: it would have been around when I made this account (i.e. couple days before blackout protest and maybe they wanted to encourage signups at the several others that had recently popped up.
Yep. I was not accepted several times. Now I am
Their target audience is Westerner suckers gullible enough to have their opinions manipulated
memes:
- [email protected] is the single best meme community on lemmy, imho
- [email protected],
and for more specialized memes:
- [email protected],
- [email protected],
- [email protected],
- [email protected],
- [email protected],
- [email protected],
- [email protected],
- [email protected],
- [email protected]
world news: I realize you’re avoiding lemmy.world to promote decentralization which is why you’re listing [email protected], but note that beehaw defederated itself from lemmy.world and from several others?
Is femcel memes ironic?
Their sidebar has a longish explanation of where they’re coming from.
I’ll check it out, thanks.
Edit: sounds good to me. Especially that last bit.
An odd choice on their part is dessalines upvoting every comment that corresponds to a removal or ban. Feels almost as though they’ve Jerry-rigged their moderation code to an extreme degree in order to keep up with the day job levels of moderation they’re doing.
If they were banning people for shit posting on a communism community I wouldn’t have a problem. Its when you get removed banned from all communities because you said you don’t like there crappy memes
Or even if they had an instance-wide rule saying “don’t criticise Russia or China here”. It’s fine as long as the rules are clear.
But no, instead they libel the users criticising either, claiming that they violated rule #1 (TL;DR “no bigots”). Even when the criticism is clearly against the government.
And then you get a bunch of 11yos eating that ban message for breakfast, because they’re
full of gullibleness and don’t get the purpose of this utterancedumb fucks.Tbf, that admin telling someone to kill themselves wasn’t exactly a high mark for their ethics imho.
Holy shit, source? Which admin said that? I have one in mind and I wanna know if I’m right
I believe this comment is the original, in which case I misremembered the situation slightly: the admin wasn’t telling the OP to kill themselves, but rather stating that they (the admin) wanted to kill the OP directly. They also doubled down on that further down, and tripled down still further, e.g. stating “I hope you die soon” (all while claiming that people with PTSD could have been triggered by a fictional depiction of an unannounced kiss among friends, yet ignoring how a mod stating irl that they wish to shoot a poster would also be a much worse trigger, for violence).
A short synopsis is that a comic, written by a Latin American woman fwiw (Latin American people are more prone to touch each other, especially in relationships), about a game scenario wherein a girl kisses a guy friend, is removed and the admin tells the OP that they want to kill them (specifically, shoot them). All of this seems predicated on the misunderstanding that in the game you need to reach 10 hearts prior to being able to kiss someone, whereas that is actually at 8 hearts and by 10 hearts you can already safely ask for their hand in marriage… or something like that. Anyway the (fictious) guy in this comic about the game has already asked the girl out on a date at the level 8 marker, offering her a bouquet of flowers, which she accepts, and then the scenario in question occurs at the level 10 marker. This is by no means a “sexual assault” - they are in an established relationship, which took effort to build up, requiring back and forth signals from both sides, each acquiescing and signaling a readiness to not only continue it but to escalate it further. But the admin did not research the game, and instead went off unhinged with this wish for OP to die by their own hand.
There is an ENORMOUS amount of additional backstory details in https://lemm.ee/post/45248880 if you want to read more. Ignore Lvxferre and I’s tangent on moderation practices in hexbear but definitely pay attention to Lvxferre’s top-voted explanation of the context and below that a direct discussion with the actual admin in question, or at least the beginnings of one though the admin immediately ceased responding upon the first pushback of their practices. Also here’s an extremely relevant & helpful comment: https://lemm.ee/post/45248880/15580086, and below that an additional conversation between the admin and the OP, wherein despite how vehemently the admin goes hard against OP for “sexual assault”, in describing his own comment advocating for murder of the OP he says simply “It’s just a comment bro” (the irony there is palpable!).
Some of the original is now impossible to follow properly bc despite the admin continuing to get triggered by OP’s words in defense of their actions, we can now see only the admin’s side of the story, as OP’s have all been forcibly removed. However, that’s enough imho, bc no matter what the defense was seems irrelevant given that level of rhetoric levied against OP, describing their murder at the hands of the admin. And all for a (comic about a game about a) kiss that was reciprocated hence consensual to begin with, and among people who have already begun to become romantically involved, that the admin decided must be described as none other than sexual assault.
Don’t get lost in all the details and miss the main point though: even if the admin had been correct about the kiss, how would that justify their own actions to say how they wanted to murder OP and hopes that they die soon?
People continually report being disappointed by the moderation practices going on at lemmy.ml, hence moving communities off of it is a self-protective measure to try to keep Lemmy alive rather than allow such to send people away, possibly back to Reddit.
the admin
Which one? The not admin mathemachristian? Or some other you aren’t linking to?
That comic is cute as hell lmao
I love seeing kissless virgins explain that any kind of affection given without explicit verbal consent is sexual violence, no matter the circumstances
I need you to understand that posts like these can absolutely wreck someones day and pose a barrier to the site and lemmy as a whole. So best case: it’s ableist to put it up.
This reads like a character in a conservative political cartoon. Complaining about ableism while simultaneously telling someone you want to murder them. If this is who we’ve got moderating our online spaces, the left is fucking cooked
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I mean, tbf they aren’t actually “leftist”, most people agree, just play pretending to be such without seeming to really understand what that even means.
Also I probably went way overboard with the explanation bc the mere fact that the girl in the comic immediately reciprocates tells all the backstory needed that she did actually want it - she was merely surprised at first, not shocked and horrified as a triggering event would have been.
Anyway, good luck getting this admin removed - they are more entrenched on lemmy.ml than an admin would be at Reddit. Although similarly, we don’t have to remain associated with the likes of
Redditlemmy.ml and can move on to better things.Sort of, except that the mod tools on Lemmy reportedly suck, especially over instance barriers. The admins seem to not be prioritizing that, which btw I am 100% in support of the fact that that is their right to do so - we are using their codebase after all (well, you are, on PieFed I’m not:-), and if we want better, it would be up to us to build it, either by contributing to Lemmy or one of its alternatives like PieFed or Mbin (although Sublinks seems dead maybe?).
It isn’t a high mark, I agree. But while the “kill you are self lol.” thing could be just an admin in a really shitty day, this lack of transparency is consistent behaviour.
I get what you are saying: shittiness that happens daily is a more consistent pattern than something that happens ONCE.
On the other hand, an admin telling someone to literally kill themselves is such an extreme event that it might be grounds for their removal as an admin?
It’s an age-old philosophy problem: which is worse, stealing daily vs. actually killing someone once?
Or is that a trick question, since both are kinda shitty, no?
In any case, what happens when someone does BOTH of them?
The answer is ofc literally nothing, when said person is protected by the instance admins who are also the developers of this codebase. I wonder what would have happened though if Huffman was caught saying something similar to the users of Reddit? Yeah, nothing, that’s right - it’s not like we would leave Reddit or anything:-P. (Except I did, and now I’ve left Lemmy too, hello from PieFed!:-D)
Afaik the admins are the creators of lemmy right? Or are they just the creators of a particular instance? If its the first i would imagine they are the only ones that can de-admin themselves, and if its the latter i would imagine no one can de-admin them
Dessalines is literally one of the people who founded Lemmy, so the former
Yup, they are both shitty, and grounds to remove an admin.
However when it’s a single event there’s still the chance that it won’t happen again, as the admin could regret it. There’s still grounds for “this won’t affect me, as a user, in the future”.
And when it’s both, as you said, it gets even worse.
That rule becomes clear very quickly when you’re familiar with Lemmy. (Unless you’re defederated from .ml.)
It is not enough; it should be explicit. Users should be able to know the rules of an instance before they even interact with it.
Mmhmm, mmhmm - secret laws, secret trials - definitely not authoritarian behavior at all.
the main issue with .ml is
transparencyauthoritarian propaganda with full-throated support from the admins
