iirc Kansas allows abortions whereas Missouri does not? Missouri is also where Josh Harley is from. Kansas fluctuates back and forth between more conservative vs. liberal, whereas Missouri iirc is more solidly conservative.

I say this less to pick on any one place in particular, more to highlight how nuances can be pretty important to someone’s quality of life having to live in it.

Haha, good to know, in case I ever visit, thanks!:-)

I would have imagined that people would just call it all “Chicago”:-)

Several border cities in the Midwestern United States are this way.

From the map at https://kchistory.org/faq/why-there-kansas-city-both-kansas-and-missouri, it looks like ~90% of Kansas City is in Missouri:-) (I dunno about differential population density though)

And in the same state a good portion of the greater city area surrounding St. Louis lies in Illinois (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis)

The area around Chicago - TIL it is called “Chicagoland”, can anyone comment how often that is used by people in the region? - likewise extends into multiple (more than just two) states!

I guess I was reacting to “Genuenly im not sure which is worse”, but yeah you explained why. ML has both admins (+mods) and also users spewing toxicity while for Lemmy.World it’s mostly just admins (+mods) that people complain about, but not the users, beyond what might be expected from any large instance filled to the brim with Reddit refugees.:-)

But anyway it’s good to join communities and especially to post to those outside of Lemmy.World for other reasons as well, chiefly that it’s not taking full advantage of the concept of federation if everything is all concentrated onto just one instance.

And all of this drama is a perfect example as to why that matters: people wouldn’t care so much what one mod did (I am not even subscribed to that community in the first place, in fact I blocked it long ago) or one set of admins if similar communities were distributed elsewhere all around the Fediverse. Federation is supposed to bring freedom, but that comes only if we decide to make use of it.

No idea, but even if so, a single mod (?) vs. an entire instance admin team are again nowhere near the same, for people who care about more than just that one singular issue.

Moreover, and again even if so, a nuanced take on a supremely complicated issue would again be nowhere close to a DIRECT statement about wanting to be the one who ACTUALLY kills the person (“I want to shoot you because…”), ending with “I hope you die soon”, seems again to be nowhere close to the same degree.

People are people and nobody’s perfect, but this kinda of both-sides-ism does not sit well with me. That’s not how we fix things irl, by being hasty with diagnoses and then going off half-cocked without a proper understanding of what needs to be done in order to achieve the desired end goal.

Then again, neither of us have much skin in this game, both being on different instances so looking in at that fight from the outside:-). Except it’s easy to just instance block Lemmy.World communities and never have to interact with those admins or mods anymore, while it is extraordinarily difficult to defederate from the non-admin, non-mod regular users of ML spewing toxicity into communities located not on their home instance. That irks me, bc I wish for my consent to have mattered, but it takes enormous efforts to constantly block the trolls one by one.

Yeah it’s not nothing that you can filter the posts from those communities, but it sure would be nice if you could filter the users as well. Which I can do on PieFed, and the Sync and Connect apps (but not the base web UI or apps like Voyager) allow true instance blocking for Lemmy, or Lemmy.cafe, quokk.au, and dubvee.org have all defederated from lemmy.ml (along with hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml).

Even better could be to keep the users but put a label warning that the instance is known for being a bit troll-y 🧌 and crazy - and surely if they wanted they could put labels onto our accounts in return like “warning this user is from the West so is deluded by all the capitalist pig nonsense 🐖 🐷💩🐽, remember that they don’t know the True ML communiist thoughts that only us true believers do”.

And even then I wonder how many of those people actually trolling from ML are simply hexbear alts - several have outright admitted that, citing how their ML account predated their HB one, yet acknowledging all the same the choice to use the ML one after the HB one was defederated with, to continue the same activities that they did before that, translation: no means yes to them. Either way the admins allow it and so really who cares so long as their freedom to speak does not forcibly overwrite my willingness to not have to listen.

The ML mod in a game community telling a user that they wanted to shoot them, then doubled down on that, then tripled down still further with “I hope you die soon” points to systemic issues (such issues are widespread and well-known, as well as the entire-instance perma-bans routinely dished out by the admins themselves; you can directly read the mods own words for this particular event here).

LW mods have some issues as well, but e.g. recently the one responsible for this latest string of short 24-hr bans has already apologized within hours of the occurrence, in another comment citing a potential misunderstanding of the extent to which she was asked by admins to have done so and acknowledging her own biases that lead to that (event).

They are nowhere close to being the same. Definitely in degree at least if not entirely in kind.

If only that were true! That does help a bit, but it acts only as a community mute rather than more like an instance defederation or a user block would. You’ll see ML users brigading posts and random users with the most off the wall takes imaginable - I think bc they get used to the style of moderation inside their echo chamber and so have difficulties leaving it behind. Tbf after the USA elections a lot of that seems to have died down.

Tbf, there are people on ML who I’ve enjoyed conversing with, so it’s not all one way as the meme seems to convey. However, it is quite a noticeable pattern where 9 times out of 10 the comments that are the most batshit insane that I’ve ever seen (and don’t come from hexbear.net or lemmygrad.ml) are from a user on lemmy.ml. Make of that what you will - I used to argue strongly against that, but the weight of continued observation has caused me to switch sides on that argument.

Settings -> Import/Export Settings -> Export

Then on new instance, repeat with Import.

Also handles your block lists.

Enjoy:-).

It literally does though. I stopped telling people that I use Lemmy as a result. When some instance defederates from ML and establishes itself as being solid, I’d love to tell people irl that I use that.

If you are trying to say not to paint people with too broad of a brush, I get it, but also, we don’t get to choose how others think of us, only what we will do in response.

Lemmy has a very different community than Reddit - here, people are often outright kind.

In part that’s a large reason for the beef with Lemmy.ml, e.g. recently a mod there removed comments for a user over a misunderstanding in a game, and in the process said that they (the MOD!) wanted to shoot them (the OP), doubling down and even tripping down to say “I hope you die soon”. (Described in more detail here.)

It is ironic that one of the very first Lemmy instances, and also being the one whose admins are also the developers of the Lemmy sourcecode, is so much less like the rest of the people on Lemmy, and more like Reddit. But it is what it is.

If she only knew the litter boxes that tail has been in…

Bold of you to think that you might be allowed to not vote according to the “approved plan”.

You know, “for your convenience” and all.

And subliminal messages below detection range?

How is she still alive?

You’ve been trying to post on lemmy.ml again haven’t you…? (/s!:-P)

Oh yes, totally agreed there, I just presumed that such would most naturally arise from inside the USA itself. Then again, isn’t feddit.uk based in Germany? All it would take would be for someone to start it up, and begin attracting new users to it - though neither of those are small tasks, even if it could share hardware with another instance, such as feddit.uk? So if Discuss.Online were to step up instead, that does seem wonderful news!:-D