No one gave them too much power. They just woke up early and took it before anyone else could.
But they are seen as more productive because they are on farmers’ hours
My wife has to be up at 4am for her job, which means I’m up that early most days too. It isn’t a choice that we want to. But it is a social life killer. You invite me to arrive at your house on a Tuesday at 7 for an evening of dinner and games or something, the answer is probably going to be no.
No, they’re seen as more productive because they are more productive. Being a night owl means you’re drunk/high and gaming.
This is the stupidest thing I’ve heard today. Congratulations.
U jelly bro? U sound totes jelly
Jokes on you, when I was an early bird, years ago, I would play FF14 from 4:30 to 7:00. On weekends I would be drunk or high by noon.
Why let me tell you, I wake up early but around lunch time I pop my first joint. I work until five then do chores and game until 10-11 PM.
Often times this is true tho
Lol people who don’t live in reality down voting this, keep em coming it won’t change anything
And often times it isn’t…
So there’s no such thing as overnight shifts? Everyone who stays up late are drug and alcohol binging losers?
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Is it? “Often times”?
Just because that’s what you two have always done when you stayed up “late” doesn’t mean that it applies to everyone.
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They took the early worms
We need to liberate them
Join the rebellion
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese
Long live the second mouses!
As an act of rebellion and as an early worm, I just give them the bird
Yup, and chirping their morning call.
“PiTtEr PaTtEr LeT’s GeT aTtEr!!1”
Thems fighting words
A sleep scientist/professor named Matt Walker has a podcast about, you guessed it, sleep. He talks about this and how it’s very unfair to people who are biologically programmed to get tired later.
He goes on to describe scientific proof of the effect this has on their sleep and the impact to their health. It’s sad really, but his hope is to raise awareness and acceptance of the night owl’s schedule.
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This attitude is maddening. I am diagnosed with delayed sleep phase syndrome that will turn into a non 24 hour rhythm if I let it. I’ve worked with sleep doctors all over the country, most recently Duke.
I’m lucky that my work lets me start at 11am, I don’t get enough sleep those days but better than it could be.
Unfortunately I’m on call every other week, so forcing my clock to reset isn’t an option. It takes me 6 to 10 weeks to get to societies ideal sleep schedule, and a single night of interrupted sleep to undo all that work
The weeks I’m not on call are my weeks with my daughter, who has to be at school at 730 and there’s no bus for her to ride.
Either week, my schedule is fucked and I’m in a haze all the time. Helpfully anyone who finds out about it just tells me to excercise more (makes no difference, ive done a lot of testing and exclusion), stop caffeine (tried it), stop using screens of any kind after work (been there), or any other thing that they think I am doing wrong and causing the problem.
I did not expect to rant that much… I completely agree, science means nothing in the face of feelings and preconceived notions.
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I feel ya. I’ve got the same thing. Luckily I’m still young and don’t have kids so I can at least adjust my schedule consistently, but man it sucks having to get up at 6 am on the weekends. The real frustrating bit is that I could totally get up 2 hours later if only I could WFH consistently. But corporate doesn’t like remote work so I have to go into the office at least 2 days a week to sit at a computer all day and program. Wonderful world we live in
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I’m a night owl and a morning person who works on a farm/cattle ranch. I had a 27 hour shift for the first time last month and I was kind of ecstatic about it. I felt proud when I got home and crashed. I also have a lot of willpower though so it’s easy for me to push through work stuff with very few freaks.
I guess this is my way of saying that everyone is different.
You had a 27 HOURS SHIFT ???
sigma grindset bro
Alpha Sigma Sigma grindrset.
Those cows ain’t gonna, uh, cattle themselves.
Welcome to farming. During harvest, 36 hours straight isn’t uncommon. And driving back and forth lifting and lowering a combine header is far from the sort of thing that keeps one alert.
That ain’t healthy bro. You can’t catch up on sleep.
That’s insane. He’s literally saying “early bird gets the worm” is true and we should punish the early bird. When the obvious solution is to set your damn alarm earlier.
Christ I hate you people. You think everyone is a morning person, some people are just lazy about it. You are literally incapable of imagining that other people are not like you.
Yes I know many people are lazy, and the last thing anyone would call me is a morning person. But I am motivated to earn money and make my business succeed which means making decisions that financially benefit the company first.
Don’t get too depressed when the business falls apart regardless of your actions.
I’ve failed upward my whole life, no reason to stop now.
So are we, we just fucking hate it
Or figure out something that doesnt require you to be up that early?? There is science out there that there are genuinely “morning people” and “night owls”, setting an alarm is a fine thing to do but it literally is in opposition to some people biology. I have been fortunate in my line of work (nursing, where shifts are usually either 7am or 7pm start times) to find a shift that starts and noon and ends at mid night, perfect for me.
Yeah exactly, there’s plenty of demand and opportunities for 2nd shift or 3rd shift work out there. Just because there’s no demand for 3rd shift bank tellers doesn’t mean there’s a problem.
Excellent use of your empathy there.
If I have to do it so should everybody mentality.
If some humans can handle lactose and others can’t. Some suffer from migraines whilst others don’t etc. you don’t think it’s possible that we also have different circadian rhythms.
Perhaps you could exercise some critical thought. Maybe go read any of the various studies on sleep and make an informed decision rather than a knee jerk reaction.
Also, positive intent. Just assume people are being truthful for the most part. Life is easier if you’re not looking to shit on people.
I run a business, not a therapy group. Assuming people are being truthful is how people walk all over you. Trust is earned.
No. Trust is lost.
If Apple can exercise positive intent as a core tenant of their business then so could yours.
Assuming everyone is out to get you is how you end up bitter.
If you believe Apple is practicing what it preaches I have a bridge to sell you. But yes, trust that is earned can be lost very easy.
I mean I did work there for 3 years but sure you know better.
as CEO? any other C-suite position? Because a publicly traded company’s #1 duty is to generate profit for share holders. “touchy feely nice nice” policies go as far as they can before they start impacting profit.
Adapting a system to suit more people when it exclusively suits you will always feel like oppression. In reality it is letting others enjoy the privilege that you already enjoy
They system already adapted by creating electricity and alarm clocks, and for the night owls, night shifts.
Night shifts are the only night owl specific concession and society as a whole of very much does not run like that. Flexible work schedules are the outlier by a wide margin.
Still glad to see it improving
What’s it like being so willfully wrong?
you’ll have to let me know.
you do not exist
you are simply trolling
block and don’t reply
I’m the guy who handles all of the 4:59 crisis because the morning people all left at 4
Nobody gave them anything. They just took it… while we were sleeping.
Damn if I actually did anything productive when I was night owling, I would suggest we take it back, but I’m still working my way through Baldur’s Gate III
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Sure, but night owls have more fun.
More fun or more regrets? Both. The answer is probably both. (Spoken from a night owl forced to transition to early as fuck morning life)
How have you coped?
I haven’t
“poorly.”
Yeah, playing video games and drinking all night sounds totally healthy!
An introverts wet dream 👌
This is not a shit post, it’s a real issue for many. In Denmark there is a political movement for the rights of non-early birds, called B-Samfundet (B-Society).
Brb moving to Denmark
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The come already and start moving.
I’m a morning lark, but this annoys me so much! People should be able to work whenever the F they’re at their most productive, not when morning larks decided everyone should be.
Feel free to continually emphasize this with your fellow morning larks pls
Luckily I work for a great company where the culture is generally “we don’t care when you do your work as long as you do it”, so I don’t have many larks around me with that flawed mindset anymore. But I do emphasize it when I get the chance!
From the studies I’ve read, this seems to be the case across the entire school system, not just university. If anything, it might even affect K-12 even more, since, the younger we are, the more sleep we need.
Nevertheless, I had my most challenging class 8am my freshman year of college and yeah, can confirm—it was horrific.
In retrospect, maybe it didn’t help that I was out partying til 3am every day too, but that’s a different story… (Jp, I was actually very diligent about it, but still couldn’t crack the formula. It was simply too early.)
For all of middle school, I would to wake up at 4:30 to catch the bus that arrived anytime between 5:30 and 6:25 to get to school at 7:15. And i wonder why my sleep is so fucked today, and why I was always too tired to focus on anything back then.
The only problem I have with early birds is that they won’t let me sleep-in late in the mornings; they make so much noise.
Now, the Sun on the other hand…
The inverse is also true; I’ve had a lot of nights trying to go to sleep to wake up early the next day, but someone decides to have a party next door, or some car drives down the street blaring music at levels that dogs can hear three towns over, or someone decides to get into a late night argument that erupts into the street.
That is absolutely true… However, in my experience it’s far less common than the widely accepted loud morning noises.
I just find a job where they don’t care when I start as long as I get the work done
That’s what I have. Then suddenly with RTO I get dirty looks for finishing my sprint tasks much faster than my coworkers so I have to pretend to be busy for hours. Fuuuuuck that bullshit.
I used to play this balance, but it’s honestly just as much effort to work hard as it is to pretend to work. Instead, I work throughout my work hours, and built the trust to have flexibility when needed.
Look, I can’t help it. The dogs wake me up at 4 every day and I can’t train them out of it and once I’m awake, I can’t get back to sleep.
I wish I wasn’t a morning person. I really wish I could sleep in on the weekends. Alas, fate had naughty dogs in store for me.
You could try harder to train them out of it. Seek help from a dog trainer in your area.
My dogs are very stubborn and very stupid. One of them failed training. The other one can’t even learn to sit.
I hear you. I’m an insufferable morning person, but my son goes harder and is almost always up before sunrise.
Honestly, I’m so used to it at this point that I kind of look forward to quiet time when I can just sit with the naughty little dog in my lap and read the news, check forums, etc. before work.
I wake up without the alarm at 0400 every day now. My alarm doesn’t even go off til 0500. I only want to stay up late looking at the stars, but haven’t done that in forever.
I’ve become what I hate.
The stars are out 4am. And 5am. If you’re up anyways, take your coffee out and go have a look.
Oh I definitely get to see them in the morning, briefly. But I would prefer to not to sleep during the nights at all, and just stay up all night with my telescope. My job has just forced my circadian rhythm over to this.
Just another argument in favor of WFH.
If only. I have to get hands on.
100%. I just don’t get productive before 13:00 and my best time is 17:00 to 19:30. I come to work at 8:30, sit arround basically not accomplishinga anything before noon and then work productively a couple of hours and when I start to really get stuff done I am forced to stop (working has to stop at 18:00 here).
Ironically if capitalism was about efficiency we might care less about the aesthetics of working. Particularly in the ending WFH.
It’s because they got all the worms
This just in: early birds have worms
