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The evil version of this is when people cite a click bate article, you go to the article and read the attached study and the study is not backing up their claims in any meaningful way. Like come on bro you clearly haven’t read this study don’t cite it and claim I need to educate myself.
Spoken like someone who’s never experienced the ancient healing frequencies :p
The sources are released under a source-available license, you are legally prohibited from reading them
Or you can get a monthly subscription for only $39.9!
That subscription allows you to ask the question to an AI that may or may not hallucinate.
Well, then… At least we will have apparently made enough progress by then to have eliminated the penny from circulation.
59.99 and you can get them ad free!
The one on the right is a bearded 8 year old who never saw snow. He has a beard due to micro plastics. He thinks all pictures online of snow are AI generated. He’s also an asshole to everyone and rightfully so because his life and planet has been doomed. Welcome to 2034.
and his willy is 8 inches long but he’s insecure because his ai girlfriend told him its small
he’s also adversarial ai
Seriously, though, not fair. Want a way out of this hell.
70s, 80s and 90s were absolute peak humanity and things like these comments are the proof of that.
There are clips out there of FOX news saying “if global warning is real, then why is there a blizzard?!”
I’ve already had people demand “source?” for the most mundane facts. Why yes steroids do enhance physical ability.
source?
Read the comment above yours, that’s where I learned about it
this guy showed up with receipts
Source…
People are interested in sourcing of information in 2034? I see that as an absolute win.
I agree! Don’t run your mouth in public then complain when someone asks you how do you know the thing you’re running your mouth about is true. If in 2034 someone who has never seen snow wants more evidence than some idiot on the Internet’s feelings on the topic then asking is totally justified.
Let’s not vilify people asking for citations. With AI it’s more important than ever to verify what you’re reading.
I’m absolutely okay with vilifying people asking for sources on the historical existence of snow.
Pretty bold comment for someone with no sources.
Sealioning is not about citations. It’s bad-faith harassment.
Bad faith only works because it resembles good faith. Calling it out is not somehow a condemnation of good faith.
amen
I’ve heard a saying, two things you should never do on the Internet are argue or explain. It takes up a lot of mental energy and time to do it for no reward.
I think in many cases the people who explain things are doing a huge service. They’re silently appreciated by many. The true GOATs of the internet.
I’ve read so many great explanations on Reddit for things in math, science, literature, etc and I feel very grateful to the people who explained them.
Yes. The thing to remember is in many cases you aren’t explaining for the person you are debating with or answering a question for. You are doing it for others who may read the conversation.
I’ve had things brought to light in online discussion change my mind or educate me many times. When I see someone claim these conversations are useless or a waste of time, I just think they are really setting weird criteria for what constitutes a waste of time.
Sure, sometimes I ain’t got no time for that, but other times I do, and I figure the same is true for many others as well.
Askhistorians is king.
Also trolls and propagandists employ bad faith tactics specifically to make their opposition do the bulk of the world, which they either ignore after or they just laugh at for some bullshit reason they claim is a gotcha.
There is an Islamophobic author who has been employing shit like in his books since the 90s. It isn’t new at all.
Oh you don’t understand how much reward i get on tiktok for proving my point so much that i get blocked.
It brings me unfathomable joy
No, that’s the current trend here (Switzerland plains).
Same here in Slovenia. 15 years ago we had at least 30cm of snow each winter that would stick around. Now if we even get any snowfall and not just rain it either rains the same day and the snow is gone, or the rain comes a day later and the snow is once again gone.
Also the local lake used to freeze every year. It has froten once in the last 15 years.
There must be a way to have winter back. We have to do it for future generations at any cost. I refuse to live in a tropical hell just because some CEOs couldn’t fuck off.
Our essential weapon must become the guillotine. No other way.
I fully agree. Fuck the current economic system, whoever opposes revolution should be crushed.
I’ve definitely noticed people who challenge anything you say by asking for a source, but make tons of unsourced claims themselves.
“The sky is blue”
“No stupid that’s woke liberal propaganda Trump 2024”
What, you’re saying that the sky is owned by democrats now? Give sources, cause my sky is Republican Red! /S
Guilty. Show me the almanac. I don’t trust nobody on the internet. Everybody speaks like they’re an expert.
I’m an expert on internets and this guy is wrong.
Source?
Ask the dragon
If somebody would ask for a source it would already be a big improvement. Usually you are just classified as idiot if you dare to have a different view.
And that’s the same person who makes wild absurd claims but well just go off the rails and tell you to do your own research
And the sources they claim to have heavily researched often never say what they claim they say or are utterly full of shit.
"Of course they would say that. Those Liberal, left wing universities, with their peer review, aren’t to be trusted.
These hard-right think tanks (masquerading as anything other than a glorified PR firm they are) on the other hand are the definition of unbiased knowledge"
Or when you bring sources and they straight up ignore them entirely…
I understand not wanting to read or go through the entire Marxist-Leninist books I recommend, not everybody has the time for that, but a 5-20 minute article? You waste more time debating me after the fact than you would have just reading the article, at least do me the courtesy of skimming it and trying to engage with my points.
And their own sources are so heavily butchered or even lied about. I cannot count the amount of times people provided me with ‘sources’ that they claim were ironclad in their favor only for them to completely debunk their shit…
It’s called a “gish gallop” mixed with a disagreement about what this platform is, with a healthy mix of “ain’t nobody got time for that”. To some people this is a legitimate place of discussion, to others it’s a place to shit post. One thing that Reddit did get right was seperating the two groups from each other. Lemmy doesn’t do that as well unless you ask it to and for some people, they ain’t got time for that. That still leaves the people who are gish galloping but they’re not going anywhere so might as well adapt.
Perhaps peppering responses with links is counterproductive. Why not follow a more consistent strategy? Such an approach would for example summarize the opposition’s view in good faith, give a name to the fallacies in it, and respond not only by providing a link, but a short synopsis of what the link is and how it refutes those fallacies. This approach helps not only rebut the opponent, who may be unwilling to listen to reason, but everyone following the conversation in real time or in the future. For this reason it is also great to use archived versions of links, whenever you can.
Oh, don’t get me wrong, I generally offer specific reading recommendations and explanations for why, the only time I “pepper” is if it’s to add supporting evidence that might be immediately disregarded otherwise. I don’t usually send a large reading list, usually it’s one article or book with an explanation of why it’s relevant. You can see my comment history for examples if you want.
Certainly. I try to do the same, in fact I craft my comments so that they are immediately useful to others. Nonetheless, this might be not enough. Trolls are there for a reason, and you have to accept that our comment-section skirmishes do not add up to much, especially when you consider state-sponsored trolling and mega-corporate push of the far right agenda, across all media outlets, including social media.
