Can’t unionize if you don’t have the energy to fight.
Yep, you probably end up working with different groups of people too also making unionization harder.
Actually, that would make it even easier, in theory. You’d meet more of your coworkers and would be able to more easily spread the word and discuss pros/cons, etc.
How would you figure out who the plant is?
By not giving a shit. If they are spying on you, they are scared and you have all of the power.
No my guy, the hero doesn’t always win in the real world. This is where you get placed on PIP or start having performance issues, or get a promotion to a different team where there is a clash with your new manager.
Given any opportunity I will always be for a union but good damn if the cards aren’t stacked against unions.
That’s the difference between us. I’ve always found a way to get by and any work place or so called boss that wasn’t worthy of my time or energy, didn’t get that investment.
Maybe I was just raised different but I am more than willing to tell someone to fuck off if/when its needed, it of course starts more diplomatically than a literal middle finger but I was never afraid to escalate to an actual “fuck off, I’m out of here” when it was needed. It’s one reason why I work for myself, I only have myself and my bills to answer to.
There is a growing movement towards unions and other forms of collective bargaining. If you want to keep being afraid of your own shadow, that’s fine but don’t you dare do others the disservice of pushing them away from taking control of their own destinies.
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If the union bosses are pricks or shills then you don’t have a union, but a glorified HR department. Something we’ve seen lately is that the unions still have to fight to get what they rightfully deserve. Unfortunately the fight to unionize is only the start of it.
Industrial engineer here. I have no fucking clue. It was theorized it might be better overall like 30 years ago, but by the time i graduated college it was understood that so long as you have management during changeovers so later shifts aren’t left confused or unsupervised you get all the real benefit of rotating shifts without the tremendous downside of all your workers being constantly off and pissed.
Also they should be providing later shifts with free healthy lunches and other incentives to keep them in good health to reduce the costs to their bodies of later shifts. Late shift operators need extra assistance because they’re living against society and circadian rhythms. Poor health also reduces performance so this isn’t what they should do because it’s right, it’s what they should do because if they don’t they’re always going to be frustrated at late shift performances
I’d hazard a guess that financial impacts of reduced performance as a result of this torturous schedule pale in comparison to the cost due to injuries.
I’ve recently had to work a couple of overnight shifts when I was overwise working basically dawn to dusk. Staying awake isn’t that hard. Getting real sleep becomes the struggle. What surprised me though was the vertigo, constant low grade nausea, and dizziness that disappeared after a normal full NIGHT’s rest. I may feel like a night owl sometimes, but my body does not agree.
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This is why the field of actuarial science exists. I bet whomever is insuring these businesses would be interested in all of these management attitudes and business practices.
Probably. But it’s an issue of variance. You will get the reduced performance. And if you get an injury you’re in a real bad spot, but an increase in likelihood of an abnormal event with disastrous consequences is far more abstract to businesses than something like a reduction in performance.
They can rotate my balls in and out of their mouth
Gottem
Lmao
Because we havent had a general strike in a while
Most people only choose swing or graveyard with a differential. Rotating allows employers to fill shifts without offering differentials.
I used to work nights and got a differential. I would have been significantly less complacent without one.
From google:
A differential in scheduling is additional compensation for hours worked outside of the standard schedule or at untraditional times, such as nights, weekends, or holidays
This means that since you’ve got shifts at all hours of the clock, there are no “untraditional hours” for you, hence no differential compensation.
Thanks Mr Technicality! Its pretty clear OP was saying they got paid a premium over their coworkers that did the same role as OP but during non night shift hours, and had they not gotten that premium, they wouldnt have been as ok with nightshift hours
tradition in this context is not “what you’re company typically does” it’s “what society typically does”. that’s why they’re considered untraditional. because you have to exist when the rest of the world is asleep and that makes many things hard to do.
What I have gathered after seeing threads like this pop up on Reddit periodically over about 11 years, and most of the responses here, is…
Fuck if there’s a reason.
No, seriously. Pretty sure it’s become standard and as Capitalism and Management do, they follow whatever bullshit tradition exists.
That said, I personally have always felt factory and retail work fuck with schedules so much because it maintains control and limits sociability outside of work and work groups. Thus increasing retention by artificially creating social nodes we feel a part of and/or do not want to be removed from. Likely created by the same people who cut pensions and created things like Mining Towns.
Without knowing anything about the situation, my guess is that if you run a static 1st, 2nd, 3rd shift style rotation, you can pay market rate for 1st and 2nd shift, but you have to pay a premium for 3rd shift due to it being a less desirable shift for the general public.
With rotating shifts you just hire people and make them work the graveyard shift for no additional money, and get to argue with those that have to work it as “look, no one wants to work 3rd shift. That’s why we rotate it between everyone on. We’re a team here. We all pull our own weight”. Which is a bad faith argument, but they’ll happily use it on you and frame you as the over demanding worker, instead of the underpaid worker.
This is it. If they’re not technically third shift, they don’t have to be paid a shift differential.
They can claim everyone is “normal thing, payroll-wise” and the fact that a full third (or 2/3) of the work they do is “outside of normal” can be classified as “as needed” and “occasional other shifts as required”.
It allows them to be one thing on the books while being completely different in practice.
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Would be nice to know. Give them a call and find out the real offer
100% they fuck with schedules. Intentionally to stop you from being able to find or transition to a second job. Easier to pay bullshit wages if you have nothing to fall back on.
Because you’re not expected to have a home life that takes precedence over work anymore.
Rotating shifts sacrifice the employees everything to reduce staffing and training costs.
Are they just trying to destroy your soul and your health?
Yes,
But likely for a very stupid reason like 50 years ago some consultant had to give a plan to increase efficiency but forgot until the night before.
Sounds like they had to do that to keep the night shift people from quitting. Probably not a place to go work lol.
Kia plant I worked at for 4 years was like this. Countless wrecks after shift change, untold divorces and ruined lives due to never being able to plan anything. Terrible
I used to work at a place with 3 shifts, and they rotated them because everyone wanted 1st shift rather than 2nd and 3rd. I chose to stay on 2nd because it paid a bit more and I don’t like getting up early. It would have been hell to switch every single week!
We switched every 2 weeks. Your sleep never adapted.
We did it monthly, if I recall. I rarely worked another shift, but when I did it was awful. I adapt VERY slowly to sleep schedule changes.
If Green Tractor Factory ever starts hiring again you’re welcome to come here, we don’t rotate shifts, we make 90k a year, we get free health insurance. Because we’re UAW. But we’re also about to lay off so it might be a minute.
I’ve worked all three shifts. There’s guys been stuck on 2nd for 20 years, and 2nd shift is fucking WACK. From that perspective I kind of understand rotating shifts because everyone gets fucked the same. It’s more equitable. From every other perspective it’s shitty as fuck.
Equitable treatment just means individuals can’t negotiate for what they need. If some shifts are less desirable they should just offer more pay until the shifts fill voluntarily, then individuals can decide their own tradeoffs for choosing different shifts.
Exactly. The choice shouldn’t be between some of you are selectively fucked or you are all equally fucked. It should be are you properly compensating for the role or are you just fucking them over.
Get rotated idiot.
It’s because there aren’t enough unions in this godforsaken country.
French here, we got plenty unions and still a shit ton of jobs working the exact same way.
i like that you only have to work 2/4 weekends in a month. That’s pretty cool.
How nice and thoughtful of them.
It will be at least three a month based on my experience
i just pretends months aren’t real. Being familiar with all of the months is like knowing all of the counties in england when you live in america.
Average calendar skill issue moment really.
They lie.4.33 weeks in a month.
thats more like it, that’s how i want my work weeks represented.
