Weirdly intense and antagonistic internet communists.
Like, picture that guy you avoided conversations with when you were 19.
Because, Id wager, their userbase is primarily edgy leftist teenagers, really kind of like if 4chan was left and not right.
Can confirm, was an edgy leftist teenager on hexbear right when it was started – after r/chapotraphouse was banned.
They’re so far to the left I don’t even consider them left anymore. They’ve fully wrapped around to be indistinguishable from the right (but not racist so much as intensely totalitarian).
Equating communists you disagree with with fascism is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
When did I say I was minimizing the Holocaust?
I’m saying that both are authoritarian. Both are incompatible with Democracy and the current rules based international order, which when working correctly can prevent genocide from occurring (i.e. if the UN peacekeeping missions actually do their job).
rules based international order
What rules? Who do I report the USA to for repeatedly violating all of the rules and killing millions of people around the globe?
When did I say I was minimizing the Holocaust?
You are equating them. Read the link from the mainstream Jewish holocaust scholar to understand why that’s holocaust trivialization.
the Bogus moral equivalence of the Holocaust has been from the time of the actual massacres the myth that the Jews were all Communists and got what they deserved because Communism was every bit as genocidal as Nazism. Hence what the Jews call the Holocaust is a kind of opposite and equal reaction to the first genocide, the crimes of Communism.
First of all, this was not what I was implying. I never said that Communists were equally as genocidal as Nazis, nor that I deny that the Holocaust occurred. Putting words in my mouth is arguing in bad faith.
I am saying that the Tankies on the left support the same type of authoritarian policies that are prevalent on the right. While actions like, for example, the Tiananmen square massacre are not as large in scope as the Holocaust, accepting the CCP party line on the issue is antithetical to human rights, just as any massacre is. Supporting authoritarian regimes that do this is, in fact, just as bad regardless of whether the party is “left” or “right”.
Did the Holocaust occur? Yes. Did it result in the death of millions of Jews at the hands of the Nazis? Yes. I’m not disputing any of these facts, so please do not suggest that I am denying the Holocaust.
You literally said this
They’ve fully wrapped around to be indistinguishable from the right
You are free to retract this. Could you say for me “Communists are in no way morally equivalent to fascists”?
Also to be clear I’m accusing you of trivializing the holocaust not denying the holocaust.
Hey! I’m the guy people avoided conversations with and I take offense to this comparison.
A social network that was formed as a fork of lemmy, before lemmy had really entered the fediverse (tho they were planning to). Both Lemmy and Hexbear had communists among their founders, but the Hexbear devs found it more… Central to their objectives. When Lemmy federated, Hexbear didn’t. It planned to initially, but ended up being pretty satisfied of being a small, yet centralized social network, basically a communist Reddit. But the idea of joining the Fediverse appeared tempting once again with the boom that happened on Mastodon when the muskrat ate the bird, and to a greater extent when Reddit changed their API policy and lost a lot of the user’s trust, causing many redditors to move to Lemmy.
Hexbear devs then worked to essentially make it a Lemmy instance, but there were always disagreements about who to federate with. They first federated with Lemmygrad and Lemmy .ml. Lemmy .world quickly blocked them. They temporarily federated with sh .itjust .works, but this wasn’t well received on either side, so this was soon undone.
Ideology wise, pretty much everyone on Hexbear is some kind of communist. However, altho the “tankie”, pro-russia type is often seen, it’s not that homogeneous (there are even anarchist channels over there), arguably less than lemmygrad.
Everything you said was accurate except the pro Russia = tankie stuff. I just want to be able to say that the kulaks deserved and such without being tied to capitalist trash like Putin…
Yeah by pro Russia they meant pro current governement of Russia, aka Putin
Yeah, I didn’t mean to say that all tankies are pro current Russia, but just that there is a specific type of tankies that is, and these are often the annoying ones.
I’ve actually yet to see anybody you’d call a tankie being pro Putin or pro current Russian government. What people are pro is Russia acting as a counter to NATO and facilitating multipolarity.
A lemmy instance full of trolls and people celebrating chinese and russian fascism in the name of socialism
Equating communists you disagree with with fascism is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
Jewish people arent the only people who ever were victim to fascism… To say china commits a holocaust is holocause trivialization. To say it is a fascist country is not.
To say it is a fascist country is making fascism look better then it is. Fascism doesn’t have 95 percent of the population approving of the government. Fascism doesn’t exempt minorities from the one child policy. Fascism doesn’t end extreme poverty in a country of 1.4 billion people. Fascism doesn’t lead to trans youth Healthcare clinics sprouting up in major cities.
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thanks for sharing. Quite an interesting read.
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I don‘t think the linked text supports your argument at all. Calling the chinese fascists in light of the way they treat their citizens in general and the genocide against the Uyghurs especially is not at all comparable to eastern European nations revering people that murdered yews.
No offense but you missed the point. The most extreme claim from a german christian fascist was that China has 1 million people in reducation camps.That is not equivalent to the intentional extermination of 11 million people, before we count the 19 million soviet civilians who died during the german invasion outside the concentration camps.
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Its a 6 sided bear, the peak of the polygonal phylogeny.
Monomouse
Duodugong
Traye-aye
Quadferret
Pentacoyote
Hexbear
Heptaherpeton - this is the furthest we’ve discovered in the polygonal phylogeny but research indicates the likely existence of an octorca as well
Octoria are scientifically impossible, the grazing territory requirements alone for a sustainable breeding colony would be immense. Any reports of them in the wild are either misidentified pairs of quadferrets copulating, or hoaxes perpetuating the psuedoscience.
quadferrets copulating
That’s where you’re messing up. Those are pentacoyotes, not quadferrets. The contact side between two polygonimals mating is actually obscured, so the actual number of sides in a copulation configuration is the sum of the sides of all involved polygonimals - 2. Therefore the octorca could not be two mating quadferrets, but could be two pentacoyotes, or a chain of duodugongs.
Youre quite right, rookie mistake by me. You would think a Polyphylogenonomist would know better.
However, wouldnt it be more accurate to say that the actual number of sides in any given copulation configuration containing n polygonimals would be n*(sides per polygonimal)-(n-1)? Assuming we exclude tricopulations of hexbears where any given individual may be contacting two other individuals’ sides at the same time in a tessalation layout? I must admit im not certain though, my field is polyphylogenomics, not polyphylogenomatics. Im sure there are some edge cases Ive missed, pardon the pun.
My bad, I was thinking in terms of simple intraspecies pairing like they taught us as undergrads. Once you get into polypolys and tessellations the math is frankly beyond me. Well spotted though.
Wtf are you guys talking about
Polygonal phylogeny
Yes, googling offers nothing, but I’m probably just being goofed on
Try the Polygoogle. The regular non-euclidian google has a history of censorship when it comes to polygonal phylogeny
I didn’t even think to recommend Poogle. Thank you!
Polygonal phylogeny
I’ve read all the comments here and still don’t have a clue what a hexbear is
So you know the Lemmy instance Lemmy.world? Well, there is another instance called hexbear… Which is full of hardcore, Stalinist communist. And every user of every other instance hates them
Ah. So like the famous lines „everything that touches the light“ „what about the dark spot over there?“ „don’t ever go there“
They’re marxists-leninists, not stalinists…
There’s nothing inherently wrong with Marxism though (not that you said there was, I just get the impression some people are calling them socialists as if it’s inherently an evil thing), they’re entitled to their opinions on an alternative to capitalism, it doesn’t make them bad or weird people.
I gather from what I’ve read here that people mostly don’t get along with them because they are awful, terrible people (and honestly may not even be proper Marxists but maybe just posers, using it as a perfunctory label, idk).
I’d gladly be friends with a Marxist, but friends with an authoritarian, or a xenophobe, etc? Absolutely not. Regardless of their other political or economic opinions.
I’m an anarchist myself, so marxists are my brothers and sisters. So far, I’ve only seen displays of great inclusiveness from them (apart from telling me to fuck off, lol). However there’s a lot of different types over on hexbear, some of them definitely being angry edgy teenagers. Still, definitely not a xenophobic bunch. I feel the general sentiment isn’t warranted.
Instance is hexbear.net, check it out for yourself, doesn’t work in browser for me without an account but it does work in liftoff without one for some reason.
It is weird that a lot of commenters here want to tell you what they are but don’t say how to find this information by yourself.
Then they might find out the “they’re all just tankies!” line is a lie, there’s shitty people on all instances, just so happens this one leans very left beyond neo liberalism and therefore it’s bad!
Throw in that they all totally support Putin and Mao and don’t really support LGBT! And you’ve got most normies nodding along with defederating
“Add in that they support authoritarian dictators and don’t like the gays”
It’s a lemmy instance full of edge lords who are pro-totiltarian communism. The bulk of them think Mao and Stalin were good. Deny any atrocities committed by USSR/China. Also, for some reason tend to be super pro Russia. Due to NATO being on the opposite side they support Russia and call Ukrainian/NATO nations Nazis.
I’d like to meet these people. I wonder if they’re real.
I don’t really care about the hexbears either way, the ones I’ve seen haven’t been too bad though I’ve heard there are some really bad ones
What bothers me more is how quick mods seem to be to shut down any discussion about them whatsoever
Went on the Lemmy matrix to ask about them one time and I just got one guy flooding the chat with “you should observe for yourself and form your own opinions”
Many of them call for the imprisonment and death of everyone that disagrees with them who they label as fascist.
Yeah it’s such a terrible suggestion, or maybe just like do that?
Who said I wasn’t also doing that? It’s not mutually exclusive, just a quick way to get a read on people’s sentiment towards them and to try to figure out why people shut down discussion about them so consistently
Because the truth is easier to find in person rather than through many other people’s filters, and the way you wrote it, it seemed like you thought that was a very stupid suggestion… Glad to hear you think it isn’t
I thought it was a stupid assumption on their part that I wasn’t also poking around myself
Do your own research
Saved anyone that might float in at this point the read.
Edge lords who couldn’t handle someone telling them they were wrong, so they had big sook and defedederated after a day.
Didn’t .world preemptively defenderate from them?
A large part of it is a fanbase of Chapo Trap House which has a particular brand of humor that is rampant with esoteric inside jokes that are vulgar as a point, let alone to the extreme.
That humor, especially without that frame of reference, usually offends your average internet denizen.
Hexbear is also filled with authoritarians which isn’t very funny but still offensive
Sure, but to my point: if you don’t know or are unaware of the kind of humor associated with their core userbase, you might not be able to tell the difference at face value.
I maintain the best way for the uninformed to try and understand Hexbear users is to learn about or listen Chapo Trap House regardless of your politics/agreement. It puts a lot of their antics into context.
What are the odds of incoming drama in this post about tankies? I’ll say -110.
Whoops.
Ay man if your client lets you block entire instances maybe consider blocking this one
I saw what I think was a post by an admin asking if lemmy world should defederate with hexbear and I don’t recall ever seeing hexbear posts or super trolly or racist or commie posts/comments. I’m with you, op. I have no idea what’s going on, and I suspect it’s better that way.
World preemptively defederated them, which made a lot of people happy and is generally regarded as a good move
Everybody liked that.
Have a bunch of them made alts on Lemmy .ml? I feel like this comment section ripe with bears that are on .ml. I suppose being able to make alts is one of the advantages of being decentralized.
lemmy.ml is self described communists https://lemmy.ml/post/55143
Not all communists spam pig testicles. The annoying part of a hexbear users is emoji spam, and dogpileing on any post they don’t like.
Lemmy.ml ≠ the Lemmy developers
It influences who signs up.
not sure why downvote bc he asked why tankies might come from that instance and yall always talk about defederating tankies so who would join an instance that is defederating their beliefs?
If you squat naked over a mirror and look down, that’s the eye of the bear.
Is it like a furry instance or something?
Tankie instance
Pure garbage. Don’t waste your time.
