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    We have to stop identifying ownership with these billionaires and “their work” because it’s not. It’s a team of people who got together to accomplish a mission whether they succeeded or failed. How often is their success just a leader getting out of their way, and how often is failure because leadership was overbearing and “used their authority” to make poor decisions over the group.

    “We” society only ever focus on these individuals and it’s horribly incorrect to do so.

    We need to forget the celebrities and identity the groups.

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      Absolutely. As someone who manages a small team, my duties are advocating for the people who work for me, listening to the people closest to the problem, mediating disputes between people with different solutions, and ensuring we are all working towards the same overall goals. Most of the success of the team is directly attributed to their work. My biggest contribution is making sure they have what they need to do their job.

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      Anytime management gets involved with our work, it’s because there was a monumental fuck-up or because somebody is doing too much micro-management. In either case, it’s thrice as stressful as a normal project that goes slow as shit because everything has to be run by the big person.

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      Hey, if these guys do everything they can to make sure their companies’ “achievements” are considered all their own doing; let’s be fair and attribute all the fault of their failures as well.

      But you’re right, billionaires ride on the shoulders of the people that do the actual hard work.

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    Poor Elon trying to tech-bro his way into social dominance by buying a social media platform.

    And to think that only ~6 years ago people saw him as a progressive visionary.

    There is the lesson people. Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought of as an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt.

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      I think that lesson definitely applies to us average folks. But the bigger lesson here is to not trust billionaires. You would have to be a special kind of asshole to reach the status of a billionaire

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    He’s got the money where he can be lazy and still fix his health. Hire a personal chef and dietician. A personal trainer and a gym. Take a minute and get a stylist.

    You’re a billionaire for goodness sake. Buy a top hat!

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      You seriously think he has it in him to work hard on himself (or anything for that matter)??

      No shot, instead he would use that money for shit like ozempic, lap band or lipo surgery, etc.

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      That’s not actually a country song, but I think maybe someone should blow Elon’s nose and then blow his mind. A massive brain aneurism would only benefit the world.

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      Like, I don’t know enough about this BS to argue, so I’m just going to believe what you’re saying, but what’s the point?

      NASA put people on the moon 54 years ago. Musk has said he’d do it several times now, but he’s not there yet.

      He’s also said that he’ll make space travel super cheap, yet his launches cost more than the Russian Soyuz ones used to.

      They’ve gotten nowhere near the moon, and Russia does launches cheaper with their WWII tech than Musk does with his cutting edge stuff. So to me it just looks like they’re burning money for funsies.

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        No it’s not…not at all…

        https://marspedia.org/Financial_effort_estimation

        Falcon is very successful. On top of that it allows the US and EU to stop providing money to RU for it’s war crimes

        Space travel is needed, right now we’re just on big rock away from being a short timeline in the history of the world.

        One reason SpaceX is so successful is because of the red tape that’s been removed that NASA had to deal with, getting to the moon isn’t the end goal, it’s just a platform to use as a layover for other travel.

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          Yeah musk has little to do with SpaceX success besides just being the money man.

          I fully support SpaceX and want them to succeed. I just want musk to be forcibly ejected and the company to be run and managed by more competent and ethical people because it’s obvious from his efforts at Twitter that he has no business running a company, much less one that has real and constant possibilities of bad management meaning the loss of human life.

          I feel the same way about Tesla, but Tesla to me is no longer about moving the human race forward. There are better competitors to Tesla, and now that EVs are mainstream, the trash build quality of those vehicles should mean the company should die or be absorbed.

          But also I just watched AI ethics die in 48 hours so that rich people could make more money, so fuck me I guess.

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          Nothing we’re doing is going to prevent “one big rock” from changing life on earth. And there’s a solutely no possibility of moving humanity anywhere else. Science fiction isn’t a reason to support nonsense.

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            Wow…you would have been that guy in a cave that said this is fine, no need to go outside.

            You have to start somewhere

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              This is a foolish response. We aren’t going to live anywhere but this planet, and only a moron thinks humanity is leaving this planet. Truly stupid shit, spoon fed to the incredulous by a billionaire dipshit and a century of science FICTION stories.

              Back to the Zubrin books for you.

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      lmao

      Hot staging didn’t hot stage, flight termination failed again, it didn’t reach its target altitude, a bunch of engines flamed out unexpectedly again.

      That’s not a success. Not exploding on the pad doesn’t make it a success. Stop believing the YouTube simps.

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      Massive success in the interest of science, in the sense that we can learn form our failures? Fine, it’s odd phrasing for a multi-billion dollar corp whose sole aim is to make money by cornering a not-yet existent market.

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        1. NASA already exists. Feed and house the poor instead, save the planet from greenhouse gases, help create new expensive policies to curb addiction and homelessness. Anything except literally burning money into our atmosphere. What the fuck are landing pads and propulsion guidance systems going to do for the entire planet.

        2. I don’t have to prove why you’re wrong I just don’t have to agree with you.

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            … You don’t realize that commercial entities have always built space craft for the government, so nothing you’re saying has any credibility. You should probably know something about the topic before arguing about it.

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          “NASA already exists” if his team is doing something never done before and very helpful, that is evidence for the necessity of other space companies besides NASA.

          Edit: just so we’re clear, I don’t give two shits about Elaine Mosk.

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            Listen muskrat, who is this helping? Are we delivering cargo to mulvonites in sector 9?

            There is no need to be pursuing this science right now when there is more concerning shit like not having a planet to live on in the next 60 years because we made it a bit too hot.

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                You need to provide counterpoints for why their comment on why space tech is unneccesary in saving the planet, otherwise people will think that you have either nothing to say, or worse still, that you think living in space is an achievable reality for your descendants (no, they won’t be part of the super rich elite)

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            NASA isn’t a company, and they’ve always paid contractors to make their vehicles. Crucially, noone is doing anything that hasn’t been done before.

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    I’m sure that the Saudis are compensating him for his losses on Twitter. This was a planned demolition.

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    Courtesy of ChatGPT: (Verse 1) Well, gather 'round, folks, let me spin you a tale, 'Bout a man named Elon, set to set sail. Started with Tesla, electric dreams in his hand, But life threw a curveball, didn’t go as planned.

    Married to a queen, but the castle came down, Divorce papers flying all over the town. Custody battle, like a wild, wild west show, But Elon’s still standing, ain’t ready to go.

    (Chorus) He lost his love, his rockets crashed in space, Forty billion dollars, it’s a hard-earned case. But Elon keeps on smiling, though the world’s gone astray, In the face of chaos, he just shouts, “Hey, hooray!”

    (Verse 2) Lost a rocket or two, in the great cosmic sea, But Elon’s got Starship, just you wait and see. A flamethrower in hand, and a grin on his face, Says, “Life’s just a journey, let’s enjoy the race.”

    Ex-wife took a Tesla, but he’s got the Cybertruck, Lost some billions, but he don’t give a…buck. In the game of life, he’s still rolling the dice, Laughing in the wind, like a cowboy in the night.

    (Chorus) He lost his love, his rockets crashed in space, Forty billion dollars, it’s a hard-earned case. But Elon keeps on smiling, though the world’s gone astray, In the face of chaos, he just shouts, “Hey, hooray!”

    (Bridge) Now the world may say, “Elon, what’s your deal?” But he’s launching rockets, making electric cars real. Mars is calling, and he’s reaching for the stars, In the face of setbacks, he’s trading scars for memoirs.

    (Verse 3) So here’s to Elon, in this country song tale, Fighting through storms, like a ship with no sail. Life may be crazy, but he’s dancing in the rain, Saying, “I’ll build a new rocket, and I’ll try it again.”

    (Chorus) He lost his love, his rockets crashed in space, Forty billion dollars, it’s a hard-earned case. But Elon keeps on smiling, though the world’s gone astray, In the face of chaos, he just shouts, “Hey, hooray!”

    (Outro) So raise a glass, to the man with the plan, In this country ballad, where the dust meets the sand. Elon’s still riding, on that electric highway, Laughing at the odds, shouting, “Hey, hooray!”