She deserves it. How dare she care for others like that? We don’t take kindly to people caring about others around here. /s
As a foreign famous activist she probably has a “good” treatment for a detainee. Imagine what the Gazan child hostages go through in Israeli prisons (spoiler: reported electrical shock torture and sexual crimes)
Do you have any evidence to support that or are you just using conjecture? I don’t have a dog in the fight, but you’re literally making shit up out of thin air. Given how persistent bed bugs are I would imagine they are a significant problem in any prison in the world. Keeping bed bugs out is probably like trying to keep a cold/flu/covid out of any concentrated living facility (prison, nursing home, welfare home, or homeless shelter).
If hotels struggle to prevent bed bugs then you can be assured that prisons will too. If you’re gonna peacefully protest with the knowledge that you will be detained then you should also know that you’re gonna deal with jail/prison conditions which include bed bugs.
There’s literally a fucking Wikipedia article you genocide denying troll. Here’s all the rape you can stomach!
In its June 2024 investigative report, the UN’s Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory (CoI) concluded: “The frequency, prevalence and severity of sexual and gender-based crimes perpetrated against Palestinians since 7 October across the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT) indicate that specific forms of Sexual and gender-based violence (SGBV) are part of Israeli Security Forces (ISF) operating procedures.”
Is wasn’t making a proof statement: I wasn’t saying that since she’s more known others have worse treatment. I based my comment on knowledge of the worse treatment (cited in the other comments).
Also I wasn’t talking about the bed bugs, but about the pulled by hair and forced to kiss flag kind of things.
“I’m unbiased, but I think you’re lying for no reason at all!”
You’re a silly man.
Nursing homes and welfare homes are good at getting rid of bedbug infestations. Jails on the other hand don’t have political or financial incentive to spend money on prisoners so they allow people to suffer.
And Israel’s sexual torture of Palestinian detainees is well documented with even video evidence shown on TV.
Nursing homes and welfare homes are good at getting rid of bedbug infestations
They’re only good at it because without getting rid of bed bugs no one would choose to live there. If prisoners got to pick between prisons that had bed bugs and those that didn’t I would imagine prisons would get good at removing them as well.
And Israel’s sexual torture of Palestinian detainees is well documented with even video evidence shown on TV.
Ok, then give some evidence to support that, that’s what I asked for.
These are disturbing links, if at face value they are true then this is truly disturbing. That said most of the information comes from second or third hand sources. It’s entirely possible that some Israeli’s are doing these things but it’s hard to believe that this is happening systemically throughout their entire military organization. It’s not forgivable and anyone doing it should be justly punished, but it seems crazy to assume that the mistreatment of prisoners is across the board as others have alleged.
I might be on the wrong side of history here, but it’s a bit hard to believe that jews in Israel are raping men, women, and children left and right.
Jesus Christ you’re thick
Your seemingly level-headed approach to analysing this information would make sense if this, and all of Israel’s other crimes against humanity, weren’t already widely known.
Imo you don’t actually seem to be acting in bad faith, but it’s pretty shocking that this is news to anyone on Lemmy, where such stories are shared fairly often.
I might be on the wrong side of history here, but it’s a bit hard to believe that jews in Israel are raping men, women, and children left and right.
That is not what this implies, but the majority of Israeli citizens are either okay with this kind of thing or they will simply deny it. There are many polls and interviews that show what their society thinks about Palestinians.
Why is it hard for you to believe?
Largely in part because of an overall poor standard of evidence and multiple different forms of bias to perpetuate “proof.” A lot of people, even here, are pointing to the UN commission reports, but they don’t really look beyond the legitimacy of the UN to determine if it’s accurate.
The commission is made up of 3 people, at least one of which has made statements about jews controlling social media. In their report on their findings they state that their methodology for their reports was by pairing digital content with victim and witness testimony, but then state that the standard of proof was if 1 or more testimonies corroborated the digital content.
That’s not proof in my eyes.
Just google it
You don’t believe in privilege? Do you really think the people the news don’t name get the same treatment?
Can’t you see that that is a very different argument? Just because Greta has bed bugs in her cell doesn’t prove that other prisoners have worse conditions. The OP said:
As a foreign famous activist she probably has a “good” treatment for a detainee. Imagine what the Gazan child hostages go through in Israeli prisons (spoiler: reported electrical shock torture and sexual crimes)
So the OP has setup a binary situation where Greta is getting bed bugs while Gazan’s are getting electrical shock torture and sexual crimes. I asked if the OP has any evidence to that because they created a false equivalency. Just because one prisoner has bed bugs doesn’t mean everyone else is getting electro shocked and raped.
So you are asking: what are the odds of the genocidal regime known for human rights violations violating the rights of people without the protection of the public eye?
Surely they are more comfortable than Greta. That is the logical conclusion. /s
No, you’re making a lot of unsubstantiated statements. Am I willing to believe that Greta is being treated differently than Gazan prisoners? Yeah, I can believe that. I could also believe that Greta is being treated similarly to how anyone without Hamas affiliations would be treated. What I don’t believe is that just because Greta has bed bugs in her cell Gazans are getting raped and electro tortured. Like I said, I don’t have a dog in the fight, but just because Greta is being treated like a prisoner doesn’t mean she’s being treated differently than other prisoners. Furthermore, having bed bugs doesn’t mean shit when bed bugs are a problem in every prison. Having bed bugs doesn’t mean other people are getting raped and electro shock tortured unless you have some evidence of that, which is the evidence I asked for.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn7vje365rno
This is probably the report they are talking about.
Trigger warning because there is a graphic picture and descriptions of multiple graphic situations.
Let me just say, earnestly, THANK YOU. I haven’t read your link yet, but you are the first person to respond with an actual response to the given question. I’m gonna take a few minutes to read what you linked, if I have any thought’s I’ll post an edit.}
EDIT: This is disturbing news, but it’s hardly evidence of systemic actions. I like the BBC a lot, but the testimonies given aren’t surprising. I’m all for condemning the actions stated, but they are also second hand accounts. For example the account of sexual misconduct comes from only one person interviewed. I’m not unwilling to believe that some Israeli’s have done something illegal, but I’m not surprised either. Rage all anyone might want but the laws of war only matter if someone is willing to enforce them and it seems like the world won’t enforce them here, much to my disappointment.
The rogue terrorist state of Israel commited piracy.
She’s got balls. Straight dude here, love her.
why did you need to announce you are a straight dude? 🤣
straight dudes do be lovin their balls.
This is Lemmy, just assuming straight white cis dude is much less likely than the old place.
I read it as saying she is a “straight up dude”. Was that not the intention?
No. I love her.
I announced she had balls, then announced I love her. I do, she’s tough af
I appreciate your message but you can say that she has guts, has courage, etc. No need to compare women to men when courage is something anyone can have.
Anyone can have balls. Some women have balls.
So they’re torturing her. Israel is torturing her.
Maybe but blah blah Israel reasons we gotta torture her. Sure you understand blah blah
Israel has no way to win in this situation. Torturing her will result in media backlash. Executing her would only make a martyr, which is even worse. Somehow, Israel didn’t choose to kick her out immediately.
The worst thing Israel could have done to discredit Greta Thunberg and damage her brand would have been to give her a nice meal, a warm bed in a nice hotel, gently push her onboard the next 1st class flight back to Stockholm the next day and release a statement telling her to go play SJW somewhere else. Instead, they’re doing everything possible to confirm they’re truly bad people, like dumbasses.
True.
And I think I have an explanation for that:
We do not often read how Israeli politicians talk, verbatim*. They got used responding only to their own media landscape, where apparently they can go much farther in their rhetoric (and subsequent actions) without repercussions. There’s also some deep-seated misogyny specifically against women of other race/religion or however they define that for themselves. Like, they’d never do that if she was a typical NY Jew, for example.
Of course that isn’t the whole picture; we must also look at the unquestioning support they’ve been getting from most “Western” countries which no doubt contributed to them developing this sort of impunity.
* Netanyahu often speaks English when addressing the world. It’s still bad enough, but it allows him to present a different picture to the world than to his constituency.
It’s kinda like all those comments on WWII that begin with “The Nazis could’ve won if only they…” and then describe a course of action that would require the Nazis to not be Nazis.
But Nazis, as demonstrated here, can’t ever be human again. They will always be Nazis once they become Nazis.
Being plain evil without pretending otherwise has worked out just fine until now, why would they stop?
Theyre fucking orcs. Hit that ‘translate from Hebrew’ button. Only other language you’ll see anyone say anything even close to that vile is German.
I see you’ve never played games with Serbs.
I have, though admittedly they were both speaking English, aside from the odd expletive.
Huh, translate what? I’m confused
Anything from that vile fucking conlang.
Exactly! They picked one of the foolish routes instead.
Will it prove foolish? Will there be consequences?
Who knows.
My guess is that eventually they’ll cross some invisible line and their former allies begin to turn against them. Where that line is can also change depending on the global political atmosphere. As long as Russia and USA interfere with the Middle East, we’re locked in a proxy war style situation with no clear way out. If Russia and USA suddenly loose interest in this eternal war zone, then Israel would need to watch out, because crossing that invisible line would have consequences, and the line would be a lot closer than ever before.
For the time being though, I don’t think Israel needs to worry about that. They could start using Zyklon B on Palestinian children, and the world would not interfere.
invisible line
No. That’s the thing; the ruling classes love what’s going on here.
It’s not just a genocide –they’re reviving old fashioned colonial violence, plundering, subjugation. The normalizing of extermination. The normalizing of killing truth raping the corpse and solving all your problems with killing. The normalization of impunity–that someone’s allowed to get away with this
That’s worth everything to the billionaire class. The more they horror it up; the more they love it.
Didn’t they already do that once?
Yes, that’s what they did last time.
They realize that kicking her out just means she will be on her way back on the next boat. They are trying to intimidate her into not coming back.
I hope the Swedish government has a harsh answer for one of their citizens getting kidnapped in International Waters.
One they haven’t given for genocide?
Yes, because she is swedish
That they failed to apply last time she was “detained” by Israel?
Yes, because I hope.
Why does this matter? Why do they care?
I have no idea
I would guess that any given country cares for their nationals, but that’s a very varying metric
It’s not like they havent murdered blonde ladies from rich countries before.
The rich don’t care, because of what Zionism does to push the overtones window, what it does as a laboratory of oppression.
Israel has no way to win in this situation.
They could have not taken her hostage.
But then more people might be willing to risk it and ride in aid. Israel definitely doesn’t want that. (Not saying it’s a good thing just the optics would cause them just as many problems)
Too late for that. They screwed up.
They could publicly execute her and governments around the world would still support them.
Well some of them would, because that’s how international politics works. However, a surprising number of countries have recognized Palestine, so I think the number of friends Israel has might be in a decline.
She’s probably just a useful idiot. Might be useful to interrogate her and get whoever got her to do this.
It’s the latter, I have this user tagged.
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Do you have any theories as to who…uh…put her up to this?
Nothing great. Could be Zaher Birawi working with Hamas, but that information could also be another propaganda bit.
Are u for real??
So out of character!
it sounds like next time we see her she’ll be barely alive
if she’s fine, well, we know that won’t be the case. and anyway inside she’s hurt. but we know that anyway. this time it will be drop dead at any time hurt
ok
Paris is torturing everyone too.
It’s a genocide.
What deranged nonsense are you even blathering about?
Paris has a bedbugs problem.
The Swedish government, and the EU commission is not making nearly enough noise as it should here.
Conservative Swedish PM (
PrimePretend Minister) “Jam For Spine” Kristersson is known for both his mental laziness and fear of conflicts. He’s still remembered for fleeing a room, literally running, when confronted by a journalist about his personal shady deals.Kowtowing to israel? Imagine.
Since Greta waived her right to immediate deportation and chose to remain in detention, I’m not sure what you are expecting the Swedes to do.
That doesn’t absolve them of responsibility for her welfare.
At the very least, under the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, Swedish diplomats have the right to visit Thunberg, verify her condition, and ensure she’s being treated according to international standards. Continuing to monitor the situation like this makes sure that Thunberg is not feeling isolated and makes sure her captors do not get any (further) funny ideas.
For another, there are all sorts of pressure tactics they can use, if her welfare is danger. They could summon the Israeli ambassador to formally express concern, they can push the European Commission and the EU’s High Representative for Foreign Affairs to issue a joint statement or demand investigation into her treatment.
Swedish diplomats have the right to visit Thunberg,
Swedish diplomats did meet with her, as did a lawyer.
there are all sorts of pressure tactics they can use, if her welfare is danger.
In danger from what…bed bugs? Prison food?
The article above mentions “dehydration” and “insufficient amounts of both water and food”.
In addition:
One of the deported activists who arrived at Istanbul airport on Saturday recounted shocking details of what he described as ‘brutal assaults’ on some activists during their detention, telling reporters: “They dragged little Greta (Thunberg) by her hair in front of our eyes, beat her, and forced her to kiss the Israeli flag. They did everything imaginable to her as a warning to others.”
https://www.thecanary.co/global/world-news/2025/10/04/greta-thunberg-israel/
Given these kinds of reports of beatings, dragging by the hair and degrading treatment, diplomats would need to make sure to keep meeting with her and keep pressuring to get to the bottom of any mistreatment allegations.
Cool story bro. Curious how Greta didn’t mention any of those events to the embassy staff…,
Sigh…
[…] to get to the bottom of any mistreatment allegations.
Are you familiar with the concept of …time? That things can happen to somebody after they have first been seen by the Swedish diplomats?
Plus, the dehydration stuff is already in what the Swedish diplomats report from the first time they saw her.
Not sure if you’re debating in good faith anymore.
Israel is a terrorist country.
Am I wrong in saying they’re (seemingly) quantifiably worse than every other “terrorist” country in the region? I know plenty have human rights issues, but I can’t imagine anyone is competitive on sheer quantity of murder and atrocities!?
There are no others actively perpetrating genocide on the massive scale Israel is. Morally and legally that puts Israel in a class of its own.
But they’re more friendly to Christians, which is all the West cares about
They’re not even… They are murdering Palestinian Christians right alongside the Muslims.
American Christians only care about Israel’s role in the “end times.”
Just Crimes Against Humanity Things.
It’s literally genocide
There are no doubts.
The full on attempt to suppress the fact has failed.
Do they purposely use the worst photos of her?
You can usually tell at a glance if an article will be critical or supportive of a certain person, based on the photo they choose to go alongside the headline.
General rule of thumb, if you want someone to look composed, use a photo with their mouth closed. If you want them to look dumb, choose a photo with their mouth open mid-speech. It’s not a universal thing, but still images of people mid-word don’t tend to be flattering.
Man, I wish my worst photo looked that good.
I was about to say. For someone detained in a prison abroad she looks freaking glowing in the photo lol
If they are pro-Greta why would they use a really good picture here? They want to show how bad her incarceration is.
Yes. There are plenty of good photos of her.
Exactly the kind of thing Israel would do. Such a horrible nation, such horrible people.
Like that time they used an armored water cannon full of stinky shit… Or the time they cut the tail off a CIA agents pet dog.
they also put their dogs on drugs and then let the dogs rape prisoners and mual them to death. horrible eye-whitness accounts of these are all over youtube.
EDIT: You downvoted me. I wasn’t going to show receipts. So now here are some eye whiteness testimonies. Go ahead and listen:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=GWqvDYbpbIg
https://youtube.com/watch?v=VaBgIEpTlAs
https://youtube.com/watch?v=93Q_8OAD_-o
https://youtube.com/watch?v=7THsqr3hH1o
They did it on camera and IOF solider even bragged about it, now it’s up to you want to believe the victims or no?
Israel has their buddy America to back them up.
More than a buddy… America is the reason they are capable of any of this. It’s disgusting what the failed leadership here has allowed, and Trump has opened every single floodgate in his second term, empowering them like never before.
Trump did say he would write Israel a blank check. It’s a shame that that was one of the things he was actually being truthful about.
Greta <3
Sooo is anyone gonna do anything here? I know USA would back up Israel here but, like, someone help?
They will be treated kinda badly in order to encourage them to not get on the next set of boats coming down, then they will be released.
Some will rejoin the next flotilla will which will hopefully be a hundred boats or more and maybe some of the countries will provide naval cover to stop the drones from attacking them on the seas.
At this point I have no idea if she’s ever been effective or accomplished any goal shes set out on…except make a career.l by getting in the news.
Legit, can anyone educate me on anything she has accomplished?
Raising… awareness? As an activist?
I mean, try fighting for your beliefs, y’know.
Besides, this only happens because of that Gaza genocide.
We’re talking about it here because of her.
Attention is cheap.
People talk about scandals, disasters, and memes every day, but that doesn’t mean those things changed minds or inspired action.
Awareness without understanding or change is hollow. Being discussed isn’t the same as being respected or effective…sometimes, it just means you’ve become background noise in a short attention span culture.
“She didn’t end global warming so she’s a failure”
She’s been good at bringing attention to the public. That’s more effective than you’ve been.
Lol, nope.
Attention is cheap. People talk about scandals, disasters, and memes every day, but that doesn’t mean those things changed minds or inspired action.
Awareness without understanding or change is hollow. Being discussed isn’t the same as being respected or effective…sometimes, it just means you’ve become background noise in a short attention span culture.
Greta is on the front lines bringing attention to critical issues which we collectively seem to ignore, regardless of how many times she’s been hauled off by cops or kidnapped by a genocidal state.
The fuck have you done?
Made 2 girls 1 cup. View count way higher that thunberg.
More than you have.
please go back to reddit where you belong.
Shhh. Lemmy loves white saviors.
Are we ready to believe victims now? Are we ready to act?
