Can’t you see that that is a very different argument? Just because Greta has bed bugs in her cell doesn’t prove that other prisoners have worse conditions. The OP said:
As a foreign famous activist she probably has a “good” treatment for a detainee. Imagine what the Gazan child hostages go through in Israeli prisons (spoiler: reported electrical shock torture and sexual crimes)
So the OP has setup a binary situation where Greta is getting bed bugs while Gazan’s are getting electrical shock torture and sexual crimes. I asked if the OP has any evidence to that because they created a false equivalency. Just because one prisoner has bed bugs doesn’t mean everyone else is getting electro shocked and raped.
So you are asking: what are the odds of the genocidal regime known for human rights violations violating the rights of people without the protection of the public eye?
Surely they are more comfortable than Greta. That is the logical conclusion. /s
No, you’re making a lot of unsubstantiated statements. Am I willing to believe that Greta is being treated differently than Gazan prisoners? Yeah, I can believe that. I could also believe that Greta is being treated similarly to how anyone without Hamas affiliations would be treated. What I don’t believe is that just because Greta has bed bugs in her cell Gazans are getting raped and electro tortured. Like I said, I don’t have a dog in the fight, but just because Greta is being treated like a prisoner doesn’t mean she’s being treated differently than other prisoners. Furthermore, having bed bugs doesn’t mean shit when bed bugs are a problem in every prison. Having bed bugs doesn’t mean other people are getting raped and electro shock tortured unless you have some evidence of that, which is the evidence I asked for.
Let me just say, earnestly, THANK YOU. I haven’t read your link yet, but you are the first person to respond with an actual response to the given question. I’m gonna take a few minutes to read what you linked, if I have any thought’s I’ll post an edit.}
EDIT: This is disturbing news, but it’s hardly evidence of systemic actions. I like the BBC a lot, but the testimonies given aren’t surprising. I’m all for condemning the actions stated, but they are also second hand accounts. For example the account of sexual misconduct comes from only one person interviewed. I’m not unwilling to believe that some Israeli’s have done something illegal, but I’m not surprised either. Rage all anyone might want but the laws of war only matter if someone is willing to enforce them and it seems like the world won’t enforce them here, much to my disappointment.
So the reports very much ARE evidence of systemic abuse. It’s definitely not conclusive, but the only way to get that is to infiltrate or dismantle the IDF prison system, which isn’t happening any time soon.
For the five people interviewed, all five reported abuse, which is a 100% rate. It’s a very small sample, but based on the limited information available, every single prisoner is abused, and 20% witness sexual violence (which suggests another, unknown amount of prisoners are the victims).
What we know to place this in context:
Palestinians are referred to as “human animals” by defence minister Yoav Gallant
There are plenty of other examples of reported mistreatment. Search “Israeli mistreatment of Palestinian prisoners” to educate yourself further on this issue.
I think it’s fair to state as fact that Israel are mistreating their Palestinian prisoners, and all we lack are details on exactly how, how much, and how often. There are no similar reports with regards to Israeli prisoners in Israel for example, so it’s fair to say also that it’s only Palestinian prisoners who are treated this way. Since Palestinians have been the bogeyman for modern Israel since its founding, this is kind of the default position.
You don’t believe in privilege? Do you really think the people the news don’t name get the same treatment?
Can’t you see that that is a very different argument? Just because Greta has bed bugs in her cell doesn’t prove that other prisoners have worse conditions. The OP said:
So the OP has setup a binary situation where Greta is getting bed bugs while Gazan’s are getting electrical shock torture and sexual crimes. I asked if the OP has any evidence to that because they created a false equivalency. Just because one prisoner has bed bugs doesn’t mean everyone else is getting electro shocked and raped.
So you are asking: what are the odds of the genocidal regime known for human rights violations violating the rights of people without the protection of the public eye?
Surely they are more comfortable than Greta. That is the logical conclusion. /s
No, you’re making a lot of unsubstantiated statements. Am I willing to believe that Greta is being treated differently than Gazan prisoners? Yeah, I can believe that. I could also believe that Greta is being treated similarly to how anyone without Hamas affiliations would be treated. What I don’t believe is that just because Greta has bed bugs in her cell Gazans are getting raped and electro tortured. Like I said, I don’t have a dog in the fight, but just because Greta is being treated like a prisoner doesn’t mean she’s being treated differently than other prisoners. Furthermore, having bed bugs doesn’t mean shit when bed bugs are a problem in every prison. Having bed bugs doesn’t mean other people are getting raped and electro shock tortured unless you have some evidence of that, which is the evidence I asked for.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn7vje365rno
This is probably the report they are talking about.
Trigger warning because there is a graphic picture and descriptions of multiple graphic situations.
Let me just say, earnestly, THANK YOU. I haven’t read your link yet, but you are the first person to respond with an actual response to the given question. I’m gonna take a few minutes to read what you linked, if I have any thought’s I’ll post an edit.}
EDIT: This is disturbing news, but it’s hardly evidence of systemic actions. I like the BBC a lot, but the testimonies given aren’t surprising. I’m all for condemning the actions stated, but they are also second hand accounts. For example the account of sexual misconduct comes from only one person interviewed. I’m not unwilling to believe that some Israeli’s have done something illegal, but I’m not surprised either. Rage all anyone might want but the laws of war only matter if someone is willing to enforce them and it seems like the world won’t enforce them here, much to my disappointment.
So the reports very much ARE evidence of systemic abuse. It’s definitely not conclusive, but the only way to get that is to infiltrate or dismantle the IDF prison system, which isn’t happening any time soon.
For the five people interviewed, all five reported abuse, which is a 100% rate. It’s a very small sample, but based on the limited information available, every single prisoner is abused, and 20% witness sexual violence (which suggests another, unknown amount of prisoners are the victims).
What we know to place this in context:
Palestinians are referred to as “human animals” by defence minister Yoav Gallant
Palestinians (not just Hamas, mind) are regularly dehumanised in Israeli discourse
There are plenty of other examples of reported mistreatment. Search “Israeli mistreatment of Palestinian prisoners” to educate yourself further on this issue.
I think it’s fair to state as fact that Israel are mistreating their Palestinian prisoners, and all we lack are details on exactly how, how much, and how often. There are no similar reports with regards to Israeli prisoners in Israel for example, so it’s fair to say also that it’s only Palestinian prisoners who are treated this way. Since Palestinians have been the bogeyman for modern Israel since its founding, this is kind of the default position.