Australian beef has replaced U.S. supply in China since Donald Trump returned to the White House, funnelling hundreds of millions of dollars that have in previous years gone to the U.S. cattle industry into Australian pockets.
U.S. shipments to China, worth around $120 million a month, collapsed after Beijing in March allowed permits to expire at hundreds of American meat facilities and as Trump unleashed a tit-for-tat tariff war.
Other U.S. farm exports to China, the world’s biggest food importer, have also suffered since Trump retook power. On soybeans alone, U.S. farmers have lost out on shipments worth billions of dollars during the current harvest season.
Ah but immigrants…
I said it before… it is incredible how fast America’s dominance is falling. I remember shortly after 9/11 when the idea of US market dominance failing seemed ridicules… even dystopian shit still had the US dollar be number one… but this? Fuck me…
It’s a good thing.
America will be better off after being taken down a few pegs. They’ll start trying again.
now imagine for a moment - go back to that post-9/11 period - and imagine that our standing in the world and our economic dominance are both failing not because of some new innovation from our competitors, or climactic disturbance in politics or crops, no, it’s all falling to shit because, and only because we elected a conman to lead the country, twice, and it’s gone terribly both times.
oh and gwb iraq didn’t really set things up for greatness, but damn, ten years of trump has run this country right into the ditch.
impressively rapid descent into shitocracy.
Idk feels more like the Dems and Biden failed the US. Obama, for all his faults, managed to turn things around despite the poor gwb years.
your feelings were easily manipulated.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2023/feb/06/whats-the-economic-state-of-the-union-under-joe-bi/
Or they didnt care about money? People can have different priorities and values, and I can think Biden was bad and you think he was good and that both be valid.
valid, but the context of this discussion was economics. cybersteel thinks “Idk feels more like the Dems and Biden failed the US” - in many contexts this can be valid, but in the specific context of the article posted, the economic impact of silly tariffs and self owns - the biden admin did fine by the economy over all, and the numbers are there on poltifact.
you’re certainly entitled to whatever opinions but if you tell me “Idk feels more like the Dems and Biden failed the US. Obama, for all his faults, managed to turn things around despite the poor gwb years.” in a discussion about economics, while I don’t laud the guy, the admin managed to turn the economy around 180 from trump - that’s based on data easily discernable (and with cited notations) on the poltifact article.
…and its soy market to South America.
And that…
So in the past couple of weeks, MAGA has been Make Argentina Great Again and now Make Australia Great Again.
I wonder what Trump is gonna fuck up next week so that Azerbaijan can swoop in to start selling to China.
He already rescued Azerbaijan from two brutal wars that nobody ever heard of. Hasn’t he done enough?
Australian here.
I just thought you’d be interested to know that the nutty is kind of leaking.
Thankfully they are very few, but we do have some MAGA Trump supporters here, and yes they occasionally say “make australia great again”. Its so shameless.
I live in a place called albany, and yes on precisely one occasion I’ve seen someone say make albany great again.
We’re having a local council election. About a third of the candidates are dickheads with no chance of getting up, and yes they include things like anti-woke and anti-DEI in their bios.
Someone should run with their platform as, ‘Make Dog Rock Great Again!!’
They’d be named emperor of the Great Southern within weeks!
An American friend played a season of football for Albany. And another played for Mt Barker.
“U.S. farmers have lost out on shipments worth billions of dollars”
Wait until this sinks in to the farmer’s heads. Next year farmers will fully experience the rotten fruits of the current administration.
the only thing farmers know is the price that the 5 giant beef companies are paying them for their cows
They’ll blame Democrats
they blame China
“Democrats did this”
The radical left.
Thanks to Republican education cuts and propaganda, they’re dumb as shit and won’t put two and two together
Farmers and ranchers are well aware Trump is to blame. They know who buys their products and why those customers are not buying now.
the farmers and ranchers that I know are absolutely not aware of anything that’s going on right now. if it’s good then Donald Trump is doing it and if it’s bad then China is doing it
Will they completely forget it the moment they get near a voting booth is the better question.
Yes!
i’ve never known a farmer to stay in the business long if they were dumb as shit. politically naive? sure. growing crops isn’t as simple as scattering seeds and waiting.
I agree that broadacre farming in 2025 isn’t something an idiot can do successfully.
However, these people did vote against their own interests, which isnt very bright.
Its unknowable, but I’m curious how many have actually changed their political alignment in recent months. Very few I suppose.
There as an article recently quoting a few that were kinda saying they understood the need for some short term pain, but they were trying to tough talk. Something like “we will take the hit for Trump but it better turn around in less than a year”.
As though they think Trump cares about them. He’s very happy to sacrifice them on the alter of his enormous ego.
i mean i used to belong to a cult where they believed and very quietly taught that democrats and liberals are worse than the devil. there’s reasons upon reasons someone might vote against their apparent self-interest and be behaving in a perceivably irrational manner, that’s just the first that comes to mind. the social effects of being one of two open democrats in a deep red county are far beyond unpleasant. they might value their immediate social standing (even though they never have to tell anyone how they vote) more than the business they could have had were the US tariff/trade waffling bullshit not drastically reducing the markets they have available for sales.
i guess my point is what appears to be irrational behavior to an observer usually has a rational basis if you understand the person’s motivations and preferences
Irrational reasons do not make rational decisions. They Irrationally voted against themselves. Even if they believe otherwise deep, deep in the core of their souls. Logic does not care. They actively demonize logic. Why would you try and defend them with it?
Irrational decisions are only irrational to people who misunderstand the decider’s reasoning. The things you value more, they value less. Your value assessment is by definition wrong for everyone besides yourself. People don’t vote solely based on how they expect to be affected financially, even though that’s really the only assessment you can make that doesn’t fail immediately due to the quantification problem. Since people typically vote based on unquantifiables, why do you assume that your valuation of said unquantifiables is correct for everyone?
Oh I know they have the capacity to be smart I’m saying their systemically disadvantaged preventing them from acting in their best interest in this instance
It’s clearly Joe Biden’s fault.
They won’t care. Trump will tell them it was Obama (because he will forget to say Biden).
Most of them won’t have enough critical thinking skills to realise what happened. They’ll just blame whoever Fox or Tiktok tells them to blame.
Suicide rates are climbing with US farmers. Some of them get it at the end of the day.
Trump is already promising to bail out the farmers with the money from tariffs next year.
Yeah, It’s what he did the last time he destroyed soybean exports.
Create the problem and sell them the solution kinda guy.
A lot of farms still went under, but mostly small ones.
Worse was that farmer-suicide rates rose significantly. Imagine having a tarrif policy that knowingly killed many people first time round, so the second time you dial it up to 10.
It was sad seeing farmers, who lost farms that had been in their family for generations, on the news saying they’d still vote for Trump.
Ah, so it’s a Ponzi scheme then on top of everything else?
it’s a Ponzi scheme on top of a Ponzi scheme
That’s socialism, LOL.
And ALL that farmland will be gathered up by “Govt approved corporations”. Then they’ll produce the food after paying shit to the former workers, as well as shit prices for the land.
Like gathering up butterflies…
How’s your Trump now, bitches?
That, and making heavy use of the 13th amendment to work the farm.
They already know and are begging Trump for help. They’re also suffering for lack of immigrant workers.
Not all US farmers are Republicans and voted for Trump, though.
It makes sense, Australia is much closer. Congratulations to Trump on being so eco-conscious.
in global shipping, closeness actually doesn’t make things necessarily more eco friendly: when you have 100 ships full of cargo heading from china to the US, they’ve got to return too… either they return full of something, or nothing
i’m not sure how it all works out in this case, but slowly moving things from the US to asia is practically free, in pretty much all regards
Seems a bit woke, honestly.
Australia isn’t woke, it has crocodiles!
And the world’s deadliest spiders.
Notoriously sleepy reptiles.
Also koalas, arguably the least woke mammals on earth.
We even have lizard called a Sleepy Lizard. Cant get more Anti Woke than that
Have noticed Australia is also replacing the US here in Canada as well.
Getting loads of amazing New Zealand apples in Canada now instead of ones from the US. They’re very good! 😊
Good. The tears of the ranchers next will be sweet.
Maybe this will mean red meat will finally get cheaper.
Oh wait, no it won’t, we will just lose all that meat and money. Taxpayers will have to foot the bill for Republicans like always.
And that’s in top of the massive bail-out they just gave Argentina.
The previous, idiotic conservative government of Australia did a lot of harm to the relationship between China and Australia. For some reason they wanted to suck up to 'Murican conservatives by pissing of China pointlessly
Albo and his team have worked wonders, and it’s fantastic to see Australia benefit from American stupidity
It’s going to take a LOT to undo the damage that Trump has done, and is continuing to do
It’s going to take a LOT to undo the damage that Trump has done, and is continuing to do
I don’t think it will ever be fully undone. The willingness of the American people to put near-dictatorial power in the hands of one man is not something that our allies and trading partners are ever going to forget. (Not to mention that one man is very clearly suffering from dementia.)
It was a good 80-year run, but Donald and this Congress have irrevocably tarnished the American brand by allowing lawlessness and madness to rule unfettered.
Oh, I’m talking about an entire generation, it’s going to be at least a couple of decades.
That’s if the US doesn’t really fall apart and become a pariah state for a very long time
America’s pre-Trump position was due to them being the only major power left standing after World War II. After the rest of the world rebuilt, it maintained its dominant position mostly through inertia. The damage Trump is doing will never be undone, because the status quo that he’s destroying didn’t come about naturally; they were the result of very specific circumstances that aren’t going to repeat (I mean, a global war might, but not one that leaves the United States unscathed.)
Even if the US were to fail, she has enough nukes to decimate the world 10x over and bring the rest of the world to the same playing field.
The best thing Australia could do is to abandon both America and China as major trade partners. Both countries have shown they are unreliable and will use their market power as a weapon.
RIP Beef prices here (Australia) for a few years.
Demand will outstrip supply and as always, we’ll come second to the export market.
Hopefully this demand is the new normal and not just a bubble, otherwise it’s just high prices for nothing.
Don’t worry, the next time we ‘hurt the feelings of the Chinese people’ things will be back to normal.
The leopards will be feasting on farmer face (again)
i hear argentine beef is really good, but i haven’t been out there to try it.
It’s good but pretty expensive.
US cattle inventory is at a 70 year low anyways.
Meaning we couldn’t keep up with global markets anyways. Let other countries take on the ecological destruction that comes with trying to export meat. Every have a feed lot next to your water supply or a processing plant in your town? We need to fall back to smaller domestic market where local butchers are actually needed to supply their communities and not large grocery stores.
Listen dude, if you want to get the uparrows you gotta say how this hurts America, maybe a little #fucktrump, et cetera.
Uhhhhhh what. America not selling beef over seas hurts America in the short term. That’s too much beef for just America. Our beef is worse quality anyways.
My preferred beef, personally, is from local farms, and so I’m all about the idea about smaller farms. I’d be lying if I said I didn’t buy from factory farms, chicken, beef, and pork, but I try to go local when possible.
Although as I’m writing this, I’m really not sure if local meats and their prices are affected much by the factory farms.
So yeah, I guess all I mean is that I’m totally cool with an America that has fewer factory farms, the operations, from top to bottom, seem to thrive on just terrible conditions, environmentally and all. And I’m also cool with the massively wealthy families who own these farms maybe feeling a squeeze.
Liberals don’t like it when you highlight that what they support is bad too.
Yes, it’s shitty for business and the economy and will hurt the country short term and these export relationships may never be rebuilt, and that’s counter to what Trump promised so “haha leopards eating faces”.
But when you highlight that these industries are harmful and exploitative appendages of the American empire, and their collapse will give your children a chance at a better future, downvotes and disengagement.
Right after ceding the global ev market to china. The guy is a jeenius.
