the mod said they will unban him if he remove the post in /r/viking
No one is stoning anyone until I blow this whistle, even if they do say Jehovah
Reddit and Islamophobia name a better combo
Reddit sucks
Centralized, corporate information sources suck
Fedi FTW
These cancerous fuckers from another sub perma banned my 10 year old account. Because I only asked any content creators like Joey Swoll that comment on bad gym etiquettes. No explanation, no response, just nothing… Reddit is even worse than X, Facebook. I hope it dies off completely as it’s a tumor growing on the internet.
reddit sucks. But it is not worse then Facebook.
which cancer is worse
all of them, esp when we have a cure (Fedi/OpenSource)
Reddit has always been a fascist shithole… At least since the state murdered aaron…
state murdered aaron
I want a President do declare Aaron Swartz Day a day of national mourning and shame, with hopeful reflection on the immense value of open source & creative commons. Maybe with a public investment in open source commons like browser or mobile OS.
Yes this is my hobby horse and I am riding it
I mean, that’s the standard of moderation for any online space. Lemmy isn’t any better it’s just more benevolent.
Lemmy is better because there are open standards and alternate servers.
Humans are mostly all the same; incentives pervert or ennoble us.
Centralized power and monetary incentive tend to the former
Mod didn’t even hesitate to go full mask off there. Bloody hell
Yeah, it’s actually kind of rare to see a traitor lunatic just straight up admit to their bigotry so openly.
This made me realize that, throughout basically all of Viking history, Islam was already a thing. Curious.
“Allah” is also simply the Arabic word for God, and was actually also used there before Islam.
Although there could be further clues that link these rings to Islam, of course.
Yeah, “Allah” is what Lebanese, Syrian, and other Arab Christians have called their Christian God as well.
Most likely they raided Spain when it was Al-Andalus.
Tho vikings did have a phase where they served as bodyguards in Byzantine empire. They definetely bought stuff from a muslim merchant.
Second point is more interesting because not one history teacher I had went over how focused mediveal muslims were when topic came to merchants. Last prophet in Islam was a regular merchant until he was past 40.
You can imagine trading becoming a core part of religious culture over time. To this day you can negotiate prices when buying anything from any religious muslim by saying “The Prophet used to bargain.”
Possible, but they also just straight up had trade relations. Viking weapons were sometimes made with Arab iron, for example, because they had the best in the world at the time.
The only surviving account of a “Viking funeral” we have is from a Muslim traveler named ibn Fadlan traveling among the Volga Vikings.
“Viking history” is pretty late. While Norse culture is much older, the (written) history about it only started when christian or muslim scholars started to write it down. And they only did that once the vikings started raiding and trading with the christian and muslim world at around 800 CE. They established trade networks and colonies along the big rivers of eastern Europe and reached the black sea and Caspian sea, which is most likely the origin of the ring the post is about.
Islam was founded 600 CE so yes, you are right.
A shitty mod that should lose their mod status and/or have the sub suspended temporarily.
- Doesn’t give a warning, just goes straight to a ban. Lazy mod.
- Says the words “for allah” promotes terrorism. I’m critical of Islam but even I wouldn’t make such an obviously bigoted claim.
I don’t think reddit would actually stand for this. We’re not that far down the road…yet.
Its not even Islamic, arab-speaking Christians say they worship Allah too, its literally just a translation.
Some of us Atheists unironically wear religious stuff because it looks stylish, because the words sound cool, or because we like and appreciate the fandom of a particular story, even if we realize people made it all up. I can wear Dr Who swag for the same reasons.
It is like why people get Chinese character tattoos and “engrish” packaging and tshirts are popular in east Asia.
And similarly why you find a lot of Caucasians with Mandarin script tattooed on their skin. It’s cool, they like the meaning, and they don’t have to be Confucian or whatever
What are the odds that a Viking raider wore this ring ironically?
More likely it was because the Vikings worked as mercenaries around Europe and for the Byzantines. There is a railing in the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul with runes carved into it by bored Vikings. They would’ve picked up items from all over the world in the process. They’ve also found Islamic coins in hoards found in Scandinavia.
The owner of this ring probably didn’t even know what was carved on it, it just looked nice.
https://www.cnn.com/2015/03/19/europe/sweden-viking-arabic-ring
Dios! Gott! Kami!
but can’t say Allah… go figures…
Doesnt it need to be Kami-sama?
God only said to honor thy father-san and thy mother-san, didn’t really have clear instructions on himself.
Ty :)
So anyone else saying Kami-sama is by their own wish to honor kami, yes?
I’d ban you for that damn arrow that tricked me into trying to swipe to the next picture… twice… ok thrice ffs
Glad I’m not the only one! :D
Check out my handle people. I was permabanned because a mod form one of the subs had a personal vendetta against me, he or she ended up reporting me to Reddit HQ citing racism when I had a civil and celebrated comment on the sub. The topic was regarding poverty as an identity amongst young people in my country, obviously I got permabanned so I decided to leave Reddit as a whole, since the Reddit mods do not want to establish any kind of conversation so I could explain the situation in a better way. I was a 17 year active user as well, I am sure the mod who banned me was not even there when I signed up.
I started a new account a few months back and had to start building karma, so I was commenting a lot in the subs for new users. Every other day there was a post about “why can’t I post?” “Am I banned already?” etc. becasue reddit is trash, and I would respond explaining about karma thresholds and bots, and how reddit mostly doesn’t care about new people all that much.
I got a 3-day ban for “pushing an agenda” - which is backed by plenty of evidence that any mod of any community can see. But if you have an opinion that doesn’t work with a mod, out you go.
The most incredible thing was that the guy got a reply from a mod. That never happened to me when I got banned from subs.
One thing I learned from reddit is that if you breathe wrong, you will get permabanned and accused of racism and if you try and argue your case, you will be ignored.
I don’t miss that site.
Your friend’s rings look really nice btw.
he’s a very talented jewelcrafter. im not sure you can promote on lemmy but you can google his name and see his website
Your friend is very talented! Got a little chuckle out of the wolf head eating putin’s head xD The little punk duck pendant 🤌 I love how he does so many different things and you can clearly see he’s just having fun with his craft and challenging himself. His recreations of old jewelry is super fascinating. I hope he never stops making these little works of art 🤗
Lemmy is pretty much there now. Been banned from a few and you either get back a hostile explanation or none at all. Hurt feelings gets you banned. IMO Lemmy shouldn’t have a ban option for mods, let the downvotes do the talking
I mean with Lemmy you always have the option to invoke the Bender protocol.
They did that!
I thought piefed was its own separate software?
it is, their own new one with blackjack and hookers and more Python, less Rust
So it’s not actually part of Lemmy? I did get that right?
I’ve never heard it called that before, but I like it.
Mods should be allowed to ban bot accounts, though.
A protocol that could never be routinely abused right?
I regularly write my God’s name on things. It’s an ancient Polynesian God, Fu’Ksa’Kes
It’s important to be respectful for fu’ksa’kes
I love that band
I dislike all religion for obvious reasons. Example, god would never allow the mass starvation of children no matter which god. He doesn’t work in mysterious ways. But freedom of speech to allow me to express my freedom to not believe in any god and to call god and any political party and or company stupid is Paramount to anything else.
I don’t get it, I don’t see any religious connotations and the rings look cool.
Example, god would never allow the mass starvation of children no matter which god.
What makes you think that? Your concept of a god is that if they exist they would conform to human ideals of good or that their own rules would apply to them. You could instead argue that if god isn’t good then they therefore do not deserve to be worshiped which is a fair argument as well. However, if god does exist, does not conform to human ideals of good, and there are consequences for not believing in it or obeying it’s orders then you’re just up shits creek.
Just to throw out some examples from the bible but God allowed Satan to torment Job because Job was a loyal and good person, God allowed Lot to offer his daughters for rape rather than some angels, God turned Lots wife into salt for looking in a direction, God flooded the world and killed everyone but one small family, the plagues of Egypt, when the Israelites came to the promised land they encountered other civilizations which God told them to kill every man, woman, child, and beast. We don’t need to look at modern examples, we don’t get past the old testament without it being clear that if the Christian (or Jewish for that matter) God exists he doesn’t follow his own rules.
I don’t know other religions as well as Christianity, but considering Islam, Judaism, and Christianity share some commonalities I’m going to lump them together. In Greek mythology the gods are straight up sadistic at times and the people were supposed to be ok with it, Hera tormented Hercules for being born and the Trojan War was started because one god didn’t get invited to another god’s wedding. I don’t know a lot about the Aztec gods, but as far as I can tell it was believed they required human sacrifice at least on some frequency. I’m sure there are more examples in other religions, but the fundamental argument is the same.
I’m not really trying to change your mind, I myself would probably be closer to agnositic, but a lot of atheists try to logic their way around the existence of god as if god is another person when in reality the relationship may be similar to you conversing with an ant. You might be right and god doesn’t exist, but to say they don’t exist because they allow suffering in the world is fundamentally counter to what most religions say about their god(s).
god would never allow the mass starvation of children no matter which god.
Pretty simplistic conception of god.
That’s the assumption that god is benevolent and would like to not murder people. Any other god doesn’t deserve any admiration.
If there was nothing to tell you that those gods exist then you’d never know and wouldn’t be bothered by connecting bad or good things to the existence of a god.
But as we know, Gazan people and Ukrainians are being murdered every day for ~the past 5 years. At any point of those 5 years of suffering god could have stopped it. But nah, ratchet it some more instead. and that’s reason enough to not believe in a god or to even hate an asshole in power who won’t move a finger to prevent suffering. And I don’t need to stand on moral high ground. I think most of us could agree that feeding the hungry is the logical thing a good person would be doing at this time.
That really only addresses one kind of conception of deity, namely the mono-theistic, primarily Abrahamic variations. As one alternative, if you let go of the idea that a God or Gods must be omnipotent, then things become relatively more sensible. In polytheism for example, you have deitys who are associated with all kinds of things, some that we consider positive, and others we consider negative. These kinds of models at least tend to more accurately fit the way things actually go in life - sometimes justice prevails, sometimes it doesn’t.
Or as another model, there’s the highly dualistic Cathars. For them there was two principles, one Good, the other Evil. Their argument was essentially that God’s power was inseparable from God’s nature, and thus God is incapable of doing anything that goes against their nature to do - including any harm even to evil itself. This model is very reminiscent of the kinds of criticisms people often have of those who practice strict nonviolent ideologies - that their ways and methods lack potency, or any efficacy to adequately deal with malicious forces.
Not all models even assume God is benevolent. Most Gnostic branches outright believe that the chief deity of this universe is either blind and inept at best, or outright malevolent.
At least as far as I understand some Buddhist cosmologies, the Devas, while being powerful beings roughly equivalent to most polytheistic religions, they are neither considered to be the creators of reality or the universe, nor even have complete dominion over it, or even complete knowledge of it. They are also subject to samsara just as we are, and suffering ultimately is inherently baked into reality. An interesting quirk of some Buddhist sects is the notion that even deitys from other religions can be persuaded to follow Buddha’s teachings to follow the path out of suffering.
And then of course there are the pantheistic and panentheistic models, which stress the inseparability of deity and universe. The “we are God” groups. Why doesn’t God end the suffering and evil in the universe? Yeah, why don’t we do more?
Just wanted to give some examples to illustrate that there are a lot of religions with a lot of perspectives on what’s called the problem of evil. Want to be clear that I have no interest in changing whatever your beliefs are. I just think it’s boring and unfortunate that people usually only bring up the problem of evil when they’re using it to criticize the easy punching bag religions.
I’m trying to come up with a reasonable context for words “for Allah”. When have you heard anyone say “For Jesus”? In what scenario would you say it?
The Crusades?
The Crusades 2 (In Development)?
Exactly, but pointing out the historical context for this is going to get you downvoted.
“Jesus saves”, “God is my co-pilot”, “OMG”, “god is love”, “the lord is my savior”, “christ is king”, etc etc etc…
It’s literally everywhere in English. I’m constantly bombarded with the exact same stuff that the brainwashed cry about when it’s “allah”.
Except all your examples are in opposite direction whereby god does something to you or loves you.
The mind set just might have been a lot different from how we think today…
And if you want a copy of a 1000 year old ring, you really should copy it and not edit it to fit someone else’s notions about religion.
Second point makes me think you are misunderstanding the post.
They did not recreate a 1000 year old viking ring and carve “For Allah.”
They recreated a 1000 year old “viking ring with the words For Allah carved in it.”
The Viking likely getting the ring during a raid. Spain was Muslim-majority back then.
The mind set just might have been a lot different from how we think today…
I dunno who “we” is, but it’s exactly the same for the vast majority of people in imperial core. Just not with scary arabic. See my other comment for a few examples out of countless.
And if you want a copy of a 1000 year old ring, you really should copy it and not edit it to fit someone else’s notions about religion.
Why not? Who cares?
“We” is the majority of people compared to way back when and today. Don’t be obtuse. Just compare the thoughts and beliefs of one mere generation ago from anywhere on the planet as compared to today if you need an example. And people across the planet and history have always had different thoughts and beliefs than they do today. No matter your take on the “imperial core”.
As to why copy a rare 1000 year old design as close as possible? It’s their bauble and choice, not yours or mine, (though I will defend their right to do so). And besides it’s what the word “copy” means. Not “similar” or “kind of like it”.
Interestingly, today I have seen a video pop up in which a guy (Bjorn Andreas Bull-Hansen) claims he is being persecuted by Islamic investors because he is refusing to talk about there being Muslim Vikings. Is it maybe related to this? Is this some new discovery that there were Muslim Vikings?
Just as a side note- this is a genuine question, and I have my skepticism towards Bull-Hansen that he is pretty much a right-wing reactionary judging by his videos during the last few years, but I am just wondering are these somehow connected.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Allah
Etymologically, the name Allah is probably a contraction of the Arabic al-Ilāh, “the God.” The name’s origin can be traced to the earliest Semitic writings in which the word for god was il, el, or eloah, the latter two used in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament). Allah is the standard Arabic word for God and is used by Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews as well as by Muslims. The association of the word specifically with Islam comes from the special status of Arabic as the language of Islam’s holy scripture, the Qurʾān: since the Qurʾān in its original language is considered to be the literal word of God, it is believed that God described himself in the Arabic language as Allāh (which is written as الله). The Arabic word thus holds special significance for Muslims, regardless of their native tongue, because the Arabic word was spoken by God himself.
