• PlantDadManGuy@lemmy.world
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    14 hours ago

    Literally twiddling their thumbs while fully dressed out in combat fatigues wasting our tax dollars by the minute. When the fuck will they turn on their handlers and stage a proper coup?

      • shalafi@lemmy.world
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        1 day ago

        So you expect them to trash their career? This isn’t a job where you can easily take it or leave it. Imagine being under 40 and throwing away your retirement, starting all over.

        They swore to uphold the Constitution, and so far their orders have not broken that vow.

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          Yet. Let’s see what they do when their orders do violate the constitution.

          A buck says 99.9% of them will still be okay with it.

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          That’s how authoritarianism wins every time. Do you expect people to resist? Careers, retirements, bonuses, if not them it will be someone else, this is not illegal just immoral, oh now it’s illegal but not that illegal, oh now it’s illegal but my boss would yell at me if I don’t do it, oh now I’m too deep, fast forward two years and you’re torturing last members of opposition in your newly built concentration camp and wondering not how it went so deep so fast, but when is the lunch and will you be able to torture enough people to get a good evaluation this month.

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            4 hours ago

            I get all that. I agree. All I’m saying is that these troops have not broken any laws, have not violated the Constitution. Trump can only deploy them in DC for 30-days, we’ll see how that plays when time’s up.

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          14 hours ago

          While you’re right, it is also the national guard so it’s a supplemental/part-time job and not the primary job for a lot of them.

          • shalafi@lemmy.world
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            4 hours ago

            My best friend from high school did a few years in the Army, the rest was with the Guard. Not sure how it all works, then or now, but that got him to 20-years and retirement benefits.

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      That’s something trump and his people have never understood.

      They expect 100% loyalty, but treat the troops like actual shit. And this isn’t gonna be a temporary thing, he’s pulling NG from the reddest states because he expects them to be most likely to obey, but it’s just pissing them off.

      He should have spent the next two years spoiling the shit out them. Bonuses out the ass, lots of long paid optional training so they can bank money. Give them all the newest toys and gear.

      Build up that loyalty and then bring them in next 1/6 when you’re going to pull some shit.

      It’s really not that hard to figure this stuff out, the only saving grace is they’re comically inept

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        If you want some fascist stormtroopers then just pulling the NG won’t get you that. But that’s what they’re trying to groom ice into.

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      “I just joined for the free college and cheap health insurance but now they got me defending a facist regime”

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      Fun fact: during the Nuremberg trials it was determined that the “just following orders” excuse was in fact, not valid; and that someone always ought to disobey their superiors when that goes against liberty.

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      I think that’s unfair. Imagine being an impoverished American and one of your only options to afford a college education and healthcare is to join the National Guard, an organization that is rarely activated, and when they are, it’s often to actually help people during things like natural disasters. So you join, you take advantage of the benefits and can actually afford to start a family.

      Then all of the sudden, you’re stuck in this situation. Leaving will get you a dishonorable discharge, stripping you and your family of healthcare. Getting another job will be difficult. Or you can just clench your teeth and maliciously comply by waffling on your responsibilities

      • A_cook_not_a_chef@lemmy.world
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        I think it’s unfair to have troops deployed in Washington DC. They took a gamble by joining and I can empathize with that. But them complying is furthering the fascist agenda.

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      15 hours ago

      This deployment was legal for up to 30 days. They can only refuse illegal orders

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      What oath? They’re literally just standing around doing nothing. This deployment is legal, the president is allowed to do it for 30 days. After that you might have some legal fuckery to try and get them there illegally but it’s above board for now.

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      17 hours ago

      You mean this oath? The one that swears to obey the orders of the president?

      “I, ________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and of the State of ______ against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to them; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the Governor of ______ and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to law and regulations. So help me God.”

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      1 day ago

      They swore to uphold the Constitution. So far their orders are within the law.