• birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Fun fact: during the Nuremberg trials it was determined that the “just following orders” excuse was in fact, not valid; and that someone always ought to disobey their superiors when that goes against liberty.

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        Only 177 people were judged in the Nuremberg trials, though. Barely a few dozens executed.

        Vast majority of soldiers and civilians that were “just following orders” were indeed not condemned by their actions. At least not by any judge.

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          Which goes to show it didn’t go as far as it could’ve.

          They might indeed call it unrealistic to actually go on and prosecute all (and reasonably so given that recovery was key), but at least most of the top and key individuals should’ve gotten further consequences. Werner von Braun got off light.

          There’s much the USSR did terribly, but at least it was thorough with its treatment of Nazis after the war. That said, at the end of day, anarchocommunism >>>> state & surveillance capitalism. Stalin still allied with Hitler.

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      I think that’s unfair. Imagine being an impoverished American and one of your only options to afford a college education and healthcare is to join the National Guard, an organization that is rarely activated, and when they are, it’s often to actually help people during things like natural disasters. So you join, you take advantage of the benefits and can actually afford to start a family.

      Then all of the sudden, you’re stuck in this situation. Leaving will get you a dishonorable discharge, stripping you and your family of healthcare. Getting another job will be difficult. Or you can just clench your teeth and maliciously comply by waffling on your responsibilities

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        Because saying no when something isn’t just is the right thing to do.

        People used to have principles that they just would not break, despite the consequences.

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        I think it’s unfair to have troops deployed in Washington DC. They took a gamble by joining and I can empathize with that. But them complying is furthering the fascist agenda.