This is also why (I think) that younger people don’t like going outside. Cameras are everywhere. There’s no privacy. We’ve become a world of creeps. Not really for the most of us. But if I was 10 years old I’d think everyone as creeps.
Now corporations are forcibly creeping into the classrooms. Yuck!
The world is turning into one giant shitty customer service experience.
The whole trend of teens rejecting phones for dumbphones is making sense now. If you can’t fight big mainstream technology, then fuck big mainstream technology!
As soon as my pixel 8 shits the bed I’m going back to a dumbphone
I’m gonna snag another used Oneplus phone that has decent community love and keep rolling custom roms until Google stops me.
…and once they stop me(in ten years or so), a dumphone with tethering and a secondary device. And if they implant a chip into my brain, I’ll go luddite, live in the woods, read poetry and eat mushrooms.
Hey, this is me! Currently using a OnePlus 5 with LineageOS and a Sunbeam phone. If I need to connect to the Internet or use any phone app, I just use my hotspot.
and then it’s even worse, you go through sms which is even less confidential
…In a way yes, in a way no. A phone that’s SMS and Calls only has a few advantages. One is that other apps can’t spy on SMS because there aren’t other apps to spy on the SMS. The SMS vulnerabilities en-route still exist, sure, but you’re no longer being monitored by Apple, Google or anyone else by default.
Sure, the ideal situation is for all of them to get on Signal, XMPP, Briar, SimpleX… fucking roll a D20. They’re also more about it due to screen-on time than privacy. I don’t think they’re of any belief that privacy is even attainable.
Encrypted messengers for the win
I hope a future where Google is kicked out of Android but that won’t happen
What is sad is that an environment like this ruins someone’s mental health and ironically increasing the overall risk of violence.
Don’t remember whose quote it was, maybe Hannah Arendt, that the real tragedy of tyranny is not when people self-censor what they say out loud, but when this leads them to filter out those thoughts from arising at all
That’s the surveillance panopticon, they know they are being watched, but not when.
Then, those in charge can criminalise you.
Holy shit, the amount of surveillance the teens are under is ungodly and people blame the chatbot? And there wasn’t even a human kind enough to speak with the girl before calling the fucking cops? I see a lot of blame to place here, but it’s not the chatbot who is to blame.
- The kids for bullying her for her tan
- The school boards implementing the surveillance
- The parents who allowed such surveillance in the first place
- The person screening what was flagged for not sending the school counselor to talk with the kid
- The person calling the cops
- The cops for arresting an 8th-grader and DOING A STRIP SEARCH AND KEEPING HER OVERNIGHT WTF instead of handing her over to her parents
Everyone of them failed a 13 year old girl. All of them should be ashamed.
The cops for arresting an 8th-grader
This is America, that’s what they do. They love overreacting to small problems.
I was arrested for self-defence in a highschool fight, the actual bully who attack me did not get in any sort of trouble. If I didn’t have citizenship, there was a chance that incident could’ve led to my deportation, even tho I was a minor. (USCIS can see all your arrests, including those that did not led to a conviction, or even expunged or pardoned offences, and they could retroactively revoke your legal status if they find out you lied.) But luckily charges were dropped because of couse they don’t have the evidence to prove it and I have a clean record so they didn’t bother prosecuting.
There is probably an alternate timeline somewhere out there in the multiverse where I got deported and had to learn another language that I haven’t spoken for over a decade. Depressing to think about.
(Well that is still technically a possibility, all they have to do is make up some bullshit about “being a spy” and put me in gitmo)
I’m in Canada and it’s only marginally better with respect to police under/overreaction. A friend and I once got the “don’t go to school on X day” message and we went immediately to local, provincial, and federal police. No one took us seriously. We had a friend working at CSIS (American analogue would be CIA) look into it and later that week we saw the article in a local paper.
Police investigated the home and found:
- 5000 rounds of ammunition
- body armor
- explosives
- only thing he couldn’t get was legal firearms because of his history of mental illness, but he had been working on connections to acquire illegal ones
Point being we couldn’t get the police to lift a finger to check out what we believed to be a credible threat (this guy never even joked about that stuff), but boy were they willing to burn rubber racing to my school when I committed the crime of defending myself in a “normal” school fight and one of my bullies claimed they felt threatened by me. This event set off a whole series of events, like requiring me to get a full evaluation at a psychiatric facility, before being allowed back in school. Our system is broken.
They love overreacting to small problems.
It’s what they do instead of reacting to major problems in any way.
One of my possible theories is that the alternate timelines diverge for each of us at moments we could have died. The timeline diverges and one continues on with us and one without us; sometimes while “dying” timelines merge back together resulting in stories like reddit’s r/glitchinthematrix
So if it’s any consolation, your bully probably died in your deportation timeline.
At any moment a tiny bit of clotted blood cells could suddenly lodge somewhere inconvenient and kill you so this timeline shit would be happening every second 24/7. Kind of renders these timeline thought experiments pointless.
That would just be a possibility until it actually happens, until the actual crisis point.
For example, we’re not diverging with every step on a flight of stairs. However, have you ever experienced that moment of vertigo where you thought you missed a step and then felt your foot land solid on the next? That would be the moment.
I don’t think that’s how quantum immortality works.
I don’t think I called my theory ‘quantum immortality’ 🤔😉
The kids for bullying her for her tan
To me it didn’t sound like she was being bullied, it seemed like her friends made a stupid joke and then she responded with another stupid joke. Which makes it even stupider that she got arrested. Literally just kids being kids.
Ya, AI is not the story here.
Students who think they are chatting privately among friends often do not realize they are under constant surveillance
This is the problem
Yea, if nothing else hopefully this will make at least a few kids think about online privacy.
There is something fundamentally fucked up in a country that arrests and puts in jail a 13 years old kid over a bad joke.
And strip-searched!
Without notifying parents
Oh I missed that bit. JFC she’s 13. How can police be so clueless about their own job… rhetorical question, I know the answer.
“clueless” thats pretty much what the leo jobs are.
But can’t put the pedo convicted felon grifter behind bars…
You don’t understand, they are brown \s
The result of “no tolerance policies”.
Are schools not government organisations (in most cases) and would they not be subject to the first amendment?
The first amendment is not absolute - things like threats are not protected speech. Although I agree that in this instance there might be a case that her constitutional rights were violated, I suspect it would be dismissed as having been a justifiable action from the administration/police who “couldn’t ignore a credible threat” or something equally bullshit…
We are living in the shittiest kind of cyberpunk dystopia. Can’t wait for AI-induced cyber-psychosis once people implant Musk’s chips into their brains and give MechaHitler full access to their subconscious.
The good news is newer chips go on the OUTSIDE of your head because it turns out, you can’t market brain surgery
I was already glad being out of school before widespread take-home laptops and required after-school logging in to check for homework and shit, but this AI-driven surveillance is on a whole other level. Sometimes I’m wondering if it’s just me getting old and doing the old people thing thinking things were better “back in the day” but is this current state not objectively worse, being monitored so much and having no way to really disconnect from school?
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Is this a Paranoia reference out in the wild? Amazing. Well done!
Heh, thanks. I see more and more similarity between Paranoia and the real world, as well as all the dystopian 1970s sci-fi I grew up on…
Its not a technology issue, its a capitalism issue.
Idealy, people should be able to afford their own devices and just log in via a browser, but capitalism fucks everyone and kids are too poor to have their own laptop and has to use the school-issued one which is obviously managed and surveilled because they can’t have you watching porn on it.
Also, #SaveSnowDays, stop forcing an online meet if its snowing and they cant get to school, just let kids have a day off once in a while.
I’m no fan of capitalism, but nothing in it requires public schools to install surveillance software on laptops. This seems purely like an administration issue, which is often the source of problems in general, not just in schools, but also in other sectors like healthcare, where they put in stupid policies while sucking up funding for themselves and their pet issues instead of towards the core purpose of that sector.
Agreed on the snow days. In fact, I think we should reduce the number of school days (and work days, for that matter) in general.
I can’t say for certain because I wasn’t given one but I can’t imagine me and my friends would have been willing to communicate with each other on devices provided by our school. Even in the early 00s it would have been filled with spyware.
I cannot possibly imagine trusting a school issued device.
Yeah for sure. My friends and I were completely paranoid about stuff like that.
With the help of artificial intelligence, technology can dip into online conversations and immediately notify both school officials and law enforcement.
Not sure what’s worse here: how the police overreacted or that the software immediately contacts law enforcement, without letting teachers (n.b.: they are the experts here, not the police) go through the positives first.
But oh, that would mean having to pay somebody, at least some extra hours, in addition to the no doubt expensive software. JFC.
Not sure what’s worse here: how the police overreacted or that the software immediately contacts law enforcement, without letting teachers (n.b.: they are the professionals here, not the police) go through the positives first.
The idea behind the policy is to stop school shootings. If there were a legitimate threat of violence, you would likely want the police to be notified as soon as possible. The issue here is that the authorities are letting a piece of half-ass code (Read: AI) decide what is a legitimate threat and, worse still, acting on that determination without question.
They have literally sacrificed an essential freedom for some temporary, and probably illusory, security.
Man, if only there was a good way to stop school shooting
Alas, one can only dream
“no way to stop this” says the only country where this happens
Dream? Not in an American school you don’t. You need to stay alert and be ready to “RUN, HIDE, FIGHT” at any moment.
I didn’t realize the schools were using Run, Hide, Fight. That is the same policy for hospital staff in the event of an active shooter. Maddening.
Having worked in quite a few fields in the last 15 years or so, it’s the same active shooter training they give everyone. Even in stores that sell guns.
I’ll let the reader decide how fucked up it is that there’s basically a countrywide accepted “standard response”
Thank you for widening this perspective. I had no idea, but it fits.
I’m sorry, in hospitals? Where a significant portion of the patients can do none of those things?
They’re not residents, you’re thinking of nursing homes. Roughly a third of hospital patients can walk without assistance, but yes. The rationale is staff doesn’t turn themselves into bullet sponges, because then who is left to remove the bullets once the shooter is dead? Either way, what do unarmed, untrained (to fight) people with the body armor equivalent of pajamas do to stop bullets?
The patient room doors don’t lock. Sometimes those doors are made of glass. But herding the patients who can walk into the halls is likely an opportunity for an active shooter to hit more targets. As such, everyone hunkers down, and the police take care of it. In theory, per the training modules. Police sometimes run drills with the hospital, depending on locale and interagency dealings.
Shutting all the fire doors is likely the only defense. Those nurses can be crafty on the fly, but there are limitations.
I can’t imagine a secondary piece of this policy isn’t hospitals avoiding liability regarding workplace injury/death lawsuits.
I just hadn’t known until now that in grasping for solutions schools found the standardized hospital policy and are running with it.
I guess that the hospital is one of the better places to get shot.
Hospital staff.
I missed that part lol, mb
Why maddening? The active shooter response shouldn’t be all that different.
the policy is to stop school shootings
You should try Europe once. It’s more fun than your 3rd world country.
Knowing that Europe literally has a problem with its soccer audiences making monkey noises at black athletes makes this particular bit of condescension all the more ridiculous.
Idiots and assholes exist everywhere. At least ours don’t have guns.
Yeah, they use knives instead.
The knife homicide rate is literally higher in the US.
If you think I’m trying to say the US is better… by any measure LOL! -No. The US is a shithole.
My point is that if you take guns out of the equation they’ll just be replaced by something else.
This isn’t the flex you think it is.
Wasn’t intended to be. But evil people will find a way to do evil.
The Asiaphobia that still goes on in the UK is absurd…
I’ll still never get over the British Dub of Takeshi’s Castle referring to contestants as “Happy Clappy Jappy Chappies” and “Kamikaze Cousins”
A shame, I really wanted to watch that version, it has Craig Charles doing the narrating, but… sorry Lister, seems you can’t help but be a smeghead around the Japanese.
A lot of Europe seems to somehow have worse racism in some areas than the US. Ask a couple English people what they think of travellers and Muslims.
Agreed on the condescension, that was uncalled for. Your whataboutism sucks though.
Is this better, worse, or the same as throwing dildos at female WNBA athletes?
Reddit moment: comparing a few racist idiots with daily murders.
I think if the matches are having to be stopped, it’s probably more than a few.
“Daily murder” is a sneaky rhetorical maneuver, considering it’s something influenced more by raw population size, than by capita. It’s easy for there to be a “daily murder” in a country of 340,000,000 people, even when the overwhelmingly vast majority of people do not murder.
Using “few” to trivialize/minimize the racism is no better.
Shame on you for this disingenuity.
Even when we go per capita the US stays a shithole, it’s not like they were trying to actively misinform people.
That’s because US population has too much freedom. Gotta keep a boot on peoples neck to maintain control. Look at the 466+ people arrested for protesting
Oh, I’m with you on that. I’m just pointing out the thought behind the policy, however flawed. I’ve been to Europe many years ago. I would love to be there now, except that as an American I would be rightly ostracized.
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What do you mean, “try Europe?”
The police are not effective at dealing with school shootings.
Authorities be like “aww shoot, not again.”
The issue here is that the authorities are letting a piece of half-ass code (Read: AI) decide what is a legitimate threat and, worse still, acting on that determination without question.
Yeah, at the very least, the software should be passing on the statement, and context surrounding it, along with its ‘judgment’, to the authorities, putting all the responsibility for making the call that X genuinely merits action on said authorities.
Of course, that’s just one piece of the puzzle, and not a solution if law enforcement isn’t held accountable when they fuck up.
I hate how fully leapfrogged the conversation about surveillance was. It’s so disgusting that it’s just assumed that all of your communications should be read by your teachers, parents, and school administration just because you’re a minor. Kids deserve privacy too.
The cruelty is the point.
This is exactly what is going to happen with the fucking chat control of the EU actually enforces it, but for an entire continent. Fuck this shit. Privacy is a human right.
I am Canadian, how can I help? Because this shit is coming to Canada, too.
The only hope is to immigrate to a place without this shit.
The countries where this is not happening is narrowing so seriously that there is no where left to run.
The few ones are already good enough.
When the rain starts coming through this tree, we’ll just move to another one.
Immigrating costs billions of dollars
that defeatist attitude is helping no one and is not how a resilient democracy survives
We’re way past a resilient democracy buddy.
with this attitude certainly, buddy
but seriously, yes it’s scary what is happening around the world right now but that means we as citizens need to organize and resist. This is how every social and moral good that we enjoy today was won. Freedom from oppression is a constant fight and always has been
It’s your choice, but I’m leaving.
Ez bro just get on a plane
Go fuck yourself (As in the school)
Why are you being so aggressive?
Why are you being so passive?
There’s not much else the little guy can do. 😔
Lots of wannabe authoritarians out there in educationland.
All those decades that the schools just -couldn’t afford- more (well-educated) teachers and smaller class sizes. Lots of low-end look-good.
And then along came tech, and lo-and-behold, IT was going to be the savior. Let’s buy into that! We may not be able to teach them to read, write or think, but they can learn to kneel!
I couldn’t agree more.
It’s fucking pathetic.
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“I wish that was treated as a teachable moment, not a law enforcement moment,” said Patterson.
Seems like the Gaggle CEO has a good view. They’re still an enabler in these situations. Be it poor guidance or training. With the impact they have, taking responsibility would be tracking and ceasing contracts that do not follow this soft response approach.
Human nature dictates we do things before we discuss if we should do things.
To me it starts getting into a philosophical discussion but unfortunately I don’t think as a species we are mature enough yet to have these discussions.
A good real world example of this is in Canada the separation movement by Quebec vs. Alberta. In Quebec there have been years of open public discussion before they ultimately took a vote. They were painfully away of all the nuance that came from leaving Canada. They did it right to a large extent. Compare that to Daniella Smith in Alberta and she’s hammering through the mechanisms for a vote to happen meanwhile the public has absolutely no understanding of the ramifications of if they do vote to leave Canada. They’re doing it wrong.
Human nature by default seems to want to change the front tyre while doing 120 on the highway. This needs to change.
Imagine it’s 1995 and you’re an average person. You don’t know all that much about separation, you just know that the coming referendum is about it and you don’t want to separate. You likely are not a college/university graduate and a significant amount of the people you know haven’t even graduated high school. You probably don’t have a personal computer or internet access even if you do. Your primary news source is likely the odd updates you get on the radio while driving to or from work, and you haven’t been following and aren’t familiar with how people talk about separation. You show up to vote and you get this question:
Do you agree that Quebec should become sovereign after having made a formal offer to Canada for a new economic and political partnership within the scope of the bill respecting the future of Quebec and of the agreement signed on June 12, 1995?
French:
Acceptez-vous que le Québec devienne souverain, après avoir offert formellement au Canada un nouveau partenariat économique et politique, dans le cadre du projet de loi sur l’avenir du Québec et de l’entente signée le 12 juin 1995?What the hell are you even voting for or against here?
The Québec referendum on separation was so confusing people remarked they didn’t actually know what they were voting for. The situation resulted in a law (Clarity Act) that forced all secession votes to pass some tests to be considered valid, and also indicated that a secession requires amendment of the Constitution of Canada, which makes it incredibly difficult to actually do.
I really don’t want to give Québec undeserved credit on this, they handled it quite poorly tbh and the whole thing felt like it was exploiting the ignorance and anger of a minority population that had even less education and literacy than the average Canadian at the time. That said, Canada has since devolved further into being a neoliberal anglosohere shithole so perhaps they were on to something.
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