ITT: centrists whining because a minor celebrity shows solidarity with a vulnerable minority.
Gavin Newsom is the epitome of the liberal elite who talk the talk but don’t walk the walk. He criminalizes homelessness instead of working to address its systemic causes and is deep in the pockets of corporate and wealthy donors. His whole appeal is just posturing against Trump. It boggles my mind that my mom likes the guy.
Newsom is just one more rich California family trying to establish a political dynasty.
Millions of beds in homeless shelters gave been built with his programs, yes, he does the bullshit harm tactics, but he’s spent way more money on real solutions than any other CA governor. One of the attack points Republicans have come up with is attacking him on the ‘‘rise in in homelessness by millions’’ what they don’t say is that stat is coming from the millions of homeless people who are now being counted as they have shelters to sleep in now. They are calling it a rise because the number isn’t a guess anymore because they have shelter. Don’t fall for the bullshit. We have to not punish the politics that are actually spending money where he want it.
As a non-Californian I used to like him but that’s because all the news coverage I saw was positive and focusing on thE “talk the talk”.
Then I started to see more that was critical of his actions and my opinion changed.
It seems like the increased attention since January over his posturing seems to have highlighted his shortcomings too.
And somehow this is news…. Can we get Pat Sajak to weigh in? What about Bob Eubanks? Clearly we need to know what game show hosts think!
It shines a spotlight on the fact that Newsome has suddenly pivoted on this transgender issue. (basically as a precursor to running for president) And people should know that this shithead has no actual integrity and will do or say whatever it takes to get the conservatives to like him more for the general election (he’s pretty confident that Dems will choose him regardless of his policies apparently.) So, if he’s altering his policy on transgender youth, it almost certainly means that he’s gonna attempt the Democrats continually failing strategy of appealing to conservatives.
It’s little more than an outrage piece designed to provoke anger and get page hits.
It’s a nothing-burger. I would bet money that prior to this piece, no one here or anywhere wondered what the host of Jeopardy thought of Gavin Newsom.
And therein lies my point.
Before this “outrage piece” I had no idea that Newsom had come out against trans athletes. So it definitely serves a purpose other than click bait.
It’s criticism of a centrist. No centrist wants people to be allowed to read it.
If he was saying that newsom was right to throw trans people under the bus where you think they belong, you wouldn’t be griping.
Who’s griping? I’m simply pointing out the distraction you all seem to be falling for.
Who’s griping?
You, among others.
Man, looking through your comment history…
You sure do seem to think you know the motivation behind what others think, feel, do… are you some sort of actuary? Maybe a mind reader? Perhaps you have a PhD in psychological profiling?
If it’s none of these things, then you are by far- the most perfect example of “everyone that disagrees with me is a fascist/racist/genocider/nazi/etcetera… that I’ve ever seen.
It’d be funny if it weren’t so sad.
And yet you’re still griping because Ken Jennings of all people isn’t anti-trans enough for you.
What does Ja Rule think???
Are you saying his opinion doesn’t matter because he’s a game show host? What do you know about his qualifications? Have you ever looked him up?
I didn’t say his opinion doesn’t matter. I said it’s not news.
You’re invalidating his opinion by creating false criteria (being “news”) then failing it arbitrarily. You’re not offering definitions or reasoning, so I’m asking some leading questions to give you a chance to redeem yourself.
But instead of answering, you backpedaled. So now you are dismissed.
Hitchens’s razor: What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Bye bye :)
Oh noooooooo! A random person named “stinky” dismissed my opinion of what is considered “news” on an unpopular social media platform! I suppose I should go walk into the ocean now as one generally doesn’t recover from things like this I’d imagine.
For the record, I didn’t backpedal. I simply pointed out that your accusation was unfounded and inaccurate and attempted to put the discussion back on to the point I made, not the one you made for me. So, maybe learn what backpedaling means?
Oh, and also- You probably should look up what invalidating means. Saying it isn’t news isn’t invalidating it. For example: I think my opinions are valid, but they’re not worthy of a news article. And that he’s just a game show host- his political opinion carries about the same weight as mine does.
Best maybe you just get yourself a dictionary.
Toodles! :)
I really don’t care who he’s not supporting. I want to know who he IS supporting.
That’s kind of related, though. He used to support trans kids until he felt like it might affect his electability. If he isn’t willing to stand by his morals, he is only supporting the money.
I think they were saying they want to know who Jennings is supporting, not Newsom.
… That makes sense. Whoops!
This article is how I learned that Ken Jennings is now hosting the show. IIRC, that was the dude who had the longest win streak in the history of the show, wasn’t he?
He is actually a pretty amazing host - better than Alex was in some ways. Extremely personable with the contestants, funny, offers context on some clues because he knows so much, and you can tell the contestants have genuine respect for him because he’s been there and succeeded better than anyone.
Judges will allow this answer since it is in the form of a question. A better answer would have been “Who had the longest running streak on Jeopardy?”
“You know who had the longesht running shtreak in my bedroom, Trebek? Your mother.” - Sean Connery
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And won the GOAT (greatest of all time) tournament against James Holzhauer and Brad Rutter.
That’s correct!
The absolute worst thing we can do is settle for a neoliberal.
Because if we do, and they win the general, they get to install cro ies in the DNC after the election.
We need AOC regardless of if she thinks she’s ready, sometimes you just gotta jump out of that plane.
They will do just what they did to Sanders. DNC will not allow AOC to be the nominee.
Then it’s time for a new party.
You might be right, they might block her. I’ve been shocked at how much they are willing to protect themselves from Progressives, but that’s not why Bernie never got the nomination. Bernie never got the a Democratic nomination because he’s NOT a Democrat.
Bernie is an Independent, and has always been a staunch Independent. He may caucus with the Dems, but he doesn’t fundraise for them, he doesn’t share his campaign money with them, he doesn’t support them. Over the decades, he has been nearly as critical of Democrats as he was of Republicans.
The Presidential nomination is the greatest gift a party can bestow upon a party member, and they are going to give it to a loyal member who has worked hard for the party, NOT an outsider who is just hijacking the party’s infrastructure to use it to ride to victory, and support policies that the party doesn’t support.
Bernie wasn’t nominated because he wasn’t a Democrat. AOC is a loyal Democrat, and if she gets the primary votes, and the DNC still won’t nominate her, then that’s the end of the Democratic Party. Dems shouldn’t be so worried about that, the Republican Party died about a decade ago, and became the MAGA Party. It happens, parties die, and new ones pop up.
What an ignorant statement…
They once financed a Republican in order to beat a Democratic nominee because they were progressive. Jist look at the New York Mayor race if you need an example of how the DNC would treat AOC.
The party fights progressives and not republicans.
The party fights progressives and not conservatives because the party is conservative, and so are the republicans.
Maybe learn about something before you comment on it?
It’s an ignorant statement, because it ignores how much has changed since the January DNC chair…
They didn’t know about that.
The comment is ignorant.
Next time ask if you don’t understand something, most of the time I’d have blocked you first instead of replying.
Sanders and Noam Fucking Chomsky himself started spouting neo-liberalism bullshit, and AOC just voted against stripping funding to Israel from 2026 “defense” act.
They ain’t the heros you’re looking for.
Yes they are. No candidate is perfect, and they are far better than any of the others.
Don’t let perfect stand in the way of good.
Centrists, call us when you find these “good” candidates who can win a majority of a vote, and until then sit down and let us handle cleaning up your mess, without your constant yammering.
Thats about the least you could do to help at this point, so do that.
What’s your plan for cleaning up the mess? Let me know how I can help!!
not elect any more zionists for starters, and elminate any dem reps taking checks from them. Ocne we start taking out the trash of the bad dems, they will udnerstand they work for us and start kissin our ass instead of donors.
We haven’t gotten to cleaning the mess yet. Your mess, we’re in it now.
You all insisted on voting for a non viable right wing candidate and she lost. The numbers have been out long enough for you to make a correct conclusion: people didn’t vote for Trump over Kamala, they just rejected fascism-light from the Democrats and stayed home.
Liberals love slogans like “Believe in science,” “Love is love,” or “Black Lives Matter.” But these mantras are pasted onto a system that jails Black and brown youth at staggering rates, exports death through drone strikes and sanctions, and props up apartheid regimes like Israel with billions in aid. Kamala Harris, as California’s “Top Cop,” made a name for herself by locking up poor people, defending death row convictions tainted by misconduct, and laughing off truancy policies that disproportionately harmed working-class families. She literally argued in court that the state would “lose a source of cheap labor” if incarcerated people were released early. And yet, liberals who marched under banners reading “ACAB” in 2020 did backflips to justify their support for her.
Why? Because identity politics, stripped of any materialist critique, has become the liberal religion. It’s a shallow representation game: so long as a candidate checks certain demographic boxes, they’re granted moral immunity from the violence they enact. A woman bombing Yemen is better than a man bombing Yemen, apparently. A Black VP rubber-stamping military aid to Israel is a milestone of inclusion, even as Gaza burns.
And here lies the grotesque irony. Liberals chant about systemic racism, but refuse to confront the systemic violence upheld by the very leaders they support. They denounce ICE, but back an administration that continues deportations and funds border militarization. They wave rainbow flags while voting for a VP who until recently held archaic positions on same-sex marriage. They scream about reproductive rights, but ignore how imperial policies abroad strip countless peoples of even the right to live.
Real leftist politics demands we dismantle the structures that Kamala Harris has spent her entire career fortifying. It requires we see through the illusion of liberal “progress” and recognize that the carceral state, imperial hegemony, and racial capitalism do not become humane just because a woman of color is in charge of them. That’s not justice.
We’ll clean up the mess, but it’s gonna get messier first. You can choose to join us in cleaning up the mess, or you can waste your energy fighting on behalf of Gavin Newsom or whichever unpopular objective piece of shit the DNC forces down your throat next time.
I don’t think anyone will read that, but I did. The thing is, you’re not really wrong. But you aren’t going to appeal to anyone like that.
Do you just want to be angry? Do you just want to yell? I feel that.
Personally, yes, I would rather have had non-Trump than Trump. There weren’t really any other viable options besides Kamala when I voted. No third party vote would’ve saved us, even if I convinced literally everyone I know to do the same. But Kamala was much better than Trump, and you brought up good reasons why. She can be bullied into being better. Heck, Gavin Newsom can be bullied into being better. I don’t really like either of them, but I have limits to what I can affect, and I chose that which I could.
Unfortunately, it’s everyone’s mess. We all have to clean it up. I didn’t cause it. Heck, even people that don’t live here probably have to help, and they’re the least to blame for it. But, that’s kinda how it works. Start small, and go from there.
Fuck your good that includes making sure your children are wage slaves while your taxes slaughter children in Palestine. That’s not good, you just don’t give a fuck that the people YOUR TAX DOLLARS slaughter for your comfort are far away.
Who’s your perfect candidate? If there’s someone better I’ll happily back them.
There is no perfect candidate because both parties are actively fighting progressivism. What you do is hold your nose and vote for the one who won’t try to eradicate anyone they don’t like from the country and then show up to your local democratic party/club every meeting they have and be actively pissed off at the lack of progressivism. Bitching on the internet does nothing, trying to argue about the best candidate does even less.
Make it known what you want in your community and build a coalition in agreement
I agree. I’d just like to hear from the poster above if there’s a single politician that meets their standards, or are they just giving up and using this line of argumentation to justify their own lack of action.
You can’t elect a perfect candidate from two fascist parties. Step one is to realize you don’t owe them a vote, and they must give you a viable candidate before you give them your vote.
The Democrats are not your friends, you’re letting them ruin the world and describing it as good.
I’m doing nothing of the sort. All I’m doing is asking you for an example of a candidate you think is worth voting for. Doesn’t need to be a democrat. Just anyone.
I think it’s hilarious when people like Jennings believe there will be another general election in which they’re allowed to vote. Lemmy is full of these dummies. Like, you had your chance and you failed to act because you fell for red herrings.
Telling people they won’t be able to vote again helps no one but the far right trying to normalize the idea of a Trump dictatorship.
Meanwhile Republicans are preparing for the midterms.
Nominating AOC or Sanders would be equivalent to the Democratic Party conceding the election to the Republican Party. The chance of either winning a presidential election is functionally close to nill.
Bruh, Hillary Clinton managed to win the popular vote in 2016. Sanders or AOC are not automatically disqualified from forming a winning coalition in light of that.
“Just go left and you’ll automatically win 😊” idiocy from people on Lemmy is incorrect, but “Leftists can never win, no matter what!” is fucking stupid as well.
Sanders already would have won in 2016 if he hadn’t been railroaded by the DNC. A ton of people went to Trump because of that.
Fuck Newsom.
I didn’t really care to know a gameshow contestants political opinions.
He’s a brilliant mind with great charisma. It’s a very rare combination. You should care with this person thinks.
Someone felt this way about trump.
I’m more interested in what Wink Martindale thinks, but it’s too late for that.
Who the fuck cares
Edit: lol you ppl downvoting care what some irrelevant Jeopardy contestant thinks
People care enough to comment in this thread :)
In case folks missed it, it’s nonces blaming nonces for being nonces.
Reading these comments you would think he hates trans people. Instead, he said:
“I think it’s an issue of fairness. I completely agree with you on that. It is an issue of fairness, it’s deeply unfair… I revere sports. So, the issue of fairness is completely legit," he said.
On the topic girls playing sports against genetic males.
How is it any less fair than high school kids playing against someone who’s being scouted for professional sports? Do you think it was more fair for high school boys to play against LeBron James before he was drafted into the NBA? The entire argument is bullshit and framed just so to give bigots cover for their bigotry.
If you want fairness in high-school sports, force everyone be ranked based on their skill level not their gender because that’s what wins games not a dick and balls.
That’s a red herring. Also, the science doesn’t match the fear. Anyone on hormonal blockers to transition to female no longer has a biological advantage.
It’s the same old racist, sexist, other-ist argument disguised as fairness.
If that were true, then there would be no controversy whatsoever.
However, this is the rare case where facts don’t have a liberal bias.
Transgender women are setting a disproportionate number of new world records in women’s athletics.
Sports should have two categories: “open” and “female”
https://economist.com/leaders/2022/03/19/sports-should-have-two-categories-open-and-female from The Economist
This is a great wedge issue for conservatives to split liberals.
I can’t read all of the article because it’s behind a paywall or whatever, but I would suggest reading some stuff by Erin Reed (Erin in the Morning), specifically this piece which is relevant to your claim. (Note the article was written by a guest and not Erin herself, if you want to)
As with anything that loud transphobes like to scream about, it’s wildly exaggerated. Unfortunately, because they’re so loud, most people see the exaggeration as truth.
I would also look into this study/literature review. It’s been a while since I’ve read it, and it’s late here, so I can’t attest to how good of a study it is. However, the authors do conclude that there’s no real evidence of trans women having any considerable advantage over cis women.
If that were true, then there would be no controversy whatsoever.
Brother, there are purple who sincerely believe that the earth is flat. Truth does not prevent controversy.
Care to point us to some sources saying they’re breaking world records? I’m having trouble corroborating that.
I included a link
You linked an opinion piece that cited no sources.
It is The Economist. Are you holding out for a more reputable publication?
I was holding out for a link containing evidence to support your claim that “transgender women are setting a disproportionate number of new world records in women’s athletics.”
If that were actually happening, then I’m sure a publication as reputable as the Economist would simply present those facts.
It’s paywalled
So he doesn’t hate trans people, he just wants to inspect every child athlete’s genitals to make sure they’re in the right locker room. Whew, that’s a relief.
Ceding the framing to the Nazi position for political expediency isn’t much better.
I’m sure preventing medical care for trans kids will make things much fairer. As in, they will just fucking die and the cises won’t have to worry about inclusion anymore.
If people keep expecting Dem candidates to be 100% pure in their viewpoints then we will be stuck with MAGA again and again.
Newsom is a neo-feudalist asshat who tried to lick fascist boots earlier this very year. If a corprocrat like him is chosen, Dems are cooked because voters have consistently not turned out for them recently. If such a flakey and uninspiring candidate is chosen, MAGA has a better chance due to base suppression. It doesn’t matter that you think voters should act differently, because what is =/= what “ought” to be.
I’m tired of people expecting voters to shape themselves to the party instead of the other way around. Trump didn’t dominate other Republicans by telling people to “be better,” but by agreeing to satiate their strongest emotions. People aren’t in the mood to hear “it can’t be done yet, be patient,” when everyone’s economic situation has gotten worse with every passing year regardless of who is in charge. Democrats have nothing but false promises, which is why they lost against the American Hitler.
Also, his ex wife was a Fox News girl and Don Jr.’s ex gf so he’s in the same club as the rest of them.
He’s also Nancy Pelosi’s nephew.
Newsom’s aunt was married to Nancy Pelosi’s brother-in-law until they divorced, almost 50 years ago. This wouldn’t make him her nephew, even before the divorce, and there are more pertinent reasons to abhor both Pelosi and Newsom.
No doug. Pelosi was an aunt by marriage until a divorce happened. You can read up on it here. https://calmatters.org/commentary/2019/01/gavin-newsoms-keeping-it-all-in-the-family/
It helps establish his connection to the political dynasties he intends to perpetuate.
Now that explains a lot
Hear! Hear!
We should put TotallynitJessica in the campaign! Reminds me of this quote.
“Some party hack decreed that the people had lost the government’s confidence and could only regain it with redoubled effort. If that is the case, would it not be be simpler, If the government simply dissolved the people And elected another?” – Bertolt Brecht
“Vote blue no matter who” got us Donald Trump, and a Democratic Party that barely makes a shadow effort to oppose him. I for one am finished with that.
I’m not done with it. Mamdani won the primary in New York. People like Hakeem Jeffries need to pull their damn britches up and vote blue no matter who, amirite?
He’s miles above the average Democrat if you really look into all the details, the Republicans are masters of personal attacks and talking points that poison the discussion vs. Address any part of reality. Be careful not to fall for it. Granted like Obama he’s a careful centrist with no real desire to move the needle one direction or the other and that’s been the problem this whole time it’s establishment Dems want to play both sides and it stopped working after Trump’s cult. So. He’s not the answer to the problems Harris had, he’s likely to put his foot in the same trap and he’s by no means a liberal or populist, but he his a very strong debtor and a successful Gov if you look into it factually.
Now’s the fucking time to criticize Dem candidates, before and then during the Dem primaries. Our options going forward aren’t “Newsom or a fucking Republican” yet, so don’t fucking resign yourself - and all of us by extension - to fucking Newsom.
This exactly. Choose your preferred candidate during the primaries. Then hopefully have a tolerable choice on the November ballot.
It is 2025, and we are talking about an election that is happening in 2028. The primary isn’t even on most people’s radar. If we can’t criticize candidates now, precisely when is it appropriate to level criticism at politicians???
Never, the answer is never. Never criticize, just bend over and take it just like the Republicans do. No choice, no voice, shut up and support the politicians who support the billionaire class.
Source: I have been seeing this same song and dance for 25 fucking years.
You know why Republicans get support? Because they at least lie and say they are supporting common people. Democrats give us this wishy washy bullshit of “well we did studies and we can’t really make that happen” and fucking nobody wants to endlessly be told “no, we can’t” by a bunch of policy wonk nerds.
I expect them to not be transphobic. What the fuck?
I as well, but would you vote for a transphobic Dem, a MAGA Republican, or just not vote?
Those are the only options? We can’t have non transphobic people in primaries? We can’t hold them to a hire standard? If we are at the point where these are our only options, we are already cooked.
Hold them to a higher standard and they will be forced to it. Giving in and staying well, I’d rather vote for a transphobe than a MAGA allows them to stay transphobic.
This is the whole problem, we’ve been convinced we need to vote for harm reduction and only harm reduction, and even the Democrats are sliding further right.
Do better. Don’t accept a shit sandwich and a shit sandwich with mayonnaise.
In the November elections those are often the only choices. You can vote Dem or vote MAGA or not vote, the last two options get us MAGA.
Those aren’t the choices right now. Gavin shouldn’t even make it that far. We desperately need new blood, someone who captures the anger at the heart of the american left-of-center, not another establishment democrat who will pretend it isn’t there.
What a farce. People don’t want diet Republican candidates which is why the Republicans control every branch of government. The DNC would rather hand over control than allow a progressive to hold office.
centrists, always giving away every negotiation before it even starts. I imagine back on the schoolyard you’d chase bullies down and demand they took your milk money.
Your leaders are failing you, Dan. Gavin’s got a pack of rabid dogs he wouldn’t mind much feeding you to.
Well, at least he is consistent with his Mormon upbringing, I guess…
I could be misinterpreting the article, but it seems Ken Jennings is actually shunning Newsom for being open to the idea that there shouldn’t be trans kids or trans people in sports.
As someone raised in that religion and fortunately was able to escape, I was curious, so I did some sleuthing.
Ken considers himself to be a ‘liberal Mormon.’ I searched through a lot of his reddit posts (https://www.reddit.com/u/WatsonsBitch/) and essentially he was never able to break free of his childhood brainwashing and has become very good at mental gymnastics.
I met a lot of people like him growing up: bright individuals who lack any willingness to introspect and search for logical inconsistencies between their religion and their beliefs.
Still, Mormonism isn’t merely a religion — it’s a culture that can be daunting to turn your back on. Especially once they really have their hooks in you (you did the Mormon wedding ritual). But I’m sorry; you don’t get to support trans rights full-throatedly and also support the Mormon church. That is Olympic levels of gymnastics.
Yah. I am well aware to the culture of Mormonism. I’m just not surprised by his lack of support for the issue. Unclear on the downvotes. I guess people were surprised that someone in the Mormon in-group wouldn’t rebel?
Remember to vote blue no matter who! /s
