• kreskin@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    Centrists, call us when you find these “good” candidates who can win a majority of a vote, and until then sit down and let us handle cleaning up your mess, without your constant yammering.

    Thats about the least you could do to help at this point, so do that.

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        not elect any more zionists for starters, and elminate any dem reps taking checks from them. Ocne we start taking out the trash of the bad dems, they will udnerstand they work for us and start kissin our ass instead of donors.

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        We haven’t gotten to cleaning the mess yet. Your mess, we’re in it now.

        You all insisted on voting for a non viable right wing candidate and she lost. The numbers have been out long enough for you to make a correct conclusion: people didn’t vote for Trump over Kamala, they just rejected fascism-light from the Democrats and stayed home.

        Liberals love slogans like “Believe in science,” “Love is love,” or “Black Lives Matter.” But these mantras are pasted onto a system that jails Black and brown youth at staggering rates, exports death through drone strikes and sanctions, and props up apartheid regimes like Israel with billions in aid. Kamala Harris, as California’s “Top Cop,” made a name for herself by locking up poor people, defending death row convictions tainted by misconduct, and laughing off truancy policies that disproportionately harmed working-class families. She literally argued in court that the state would “lose a source of cheap labor” if incarcerated people were released early. And yet, liberals who marched under banners reading “ACAB” in 2020 did backflips to justify their support for her.

        Why? Because identity politics, stripped of any materialist critique, has become the liberal religion. It’s a shallow representation game: so long as a candidate checks certain demographic boxes, they’re granted moral immunity from the violence they enact. A woman bombing Yemen is better than a man bombing Yemen, apparently. A Black VP rubber-stamping military aid to Israel is a milestone of inclusion, even as Gaza burns.

        And here lies the grotesque irony. Liberals chant about systemic racism, but refuse to confront the systemic violence upheld by the very leaders they support. They denounce ICE, but back an administration that continues deportations and funds border militarization. They wave rainbow flags while voting for a VP who until recently held archaic positions on same-sex marriage. They scream about reproductive rights, but ignore how imperial policies abroad strip countless peoples of even the right to live.

        Real leftist politics demands we dismantle the structures that Kamala Harris has spent her entire career fortifying. It requires we see through the illusion of liberal “progress” and recognize that the carceral state, imperial hegemony, and racial capitalism do not become humane just because a woman of color is in charge of them. That’s not justice.

        We’ll clean up the mess, but it’s gonna get messier first. You can choose to join us in cleaning up the mess, or you can waste your energy fighting on behalf of Gavin Newsom or whichever unpopular objective piece of shit the DNC forces down your throat next time.

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          I don’t think anyone will read that, but I did. The thing is, you’re not really wrong. But you aren’t going to appeal to anyone like that.

          Do you just want to be angry? Do you just want to yell? I feel that.

          Personally, yes, I would rather have had non-Trump than Trump. There weren’t really any other viable options besides Kamala when I voted. No third party vote would’ve saved us, even if I convinced literally everyone I know to do the same. But Kamala was much better than Trump, and you brought up good reasons why. She can be bullied into being better. Heck, Gavin Newsom can be bullied into being better. I don’t really like either of them, but I have limits to what I can affect, and I chose that which I could.

          Unfortunately, it’s everyone’s mess. We all have to clean it up. I didn’t cause it. Heck, even people that don’t live here probably have to help, and they’re the least to blame for it. But, that’s kinda how it works. Start small, and go from there.