Amazon’s now-legendary “Prime Day” is July 8-11. Much like Black Friday or Cyber Monday, this means sales on lots of items on Amazon’s vast marketplace, and as such many people flock to the giant’s website to get sweet deals on everything from computers to small kitchen appliances and more. While many of us are feeling the financial crunch more than ever, I urge you, dear reader, to resist the allure. I don’t typically have strong opinions about where people chose to shop or how they decide to spend their heard-earned money, but in this post I hope to lay out a convincing case for why Amazon is full-stop evil, no caveats, and is undeserving of your money on a moral and ethical level no matter what your values are. Amazon needs to be stopped, and legislation will not do so. Only its loyal consumers – who keep the beast alive – can do that by taking their money elsewhere. No matter your political or personal beliefs, I’m certain Amazon violates them in one way or another, and you should vote with your dollar by buying from other places whenever possible. Here’s why.
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I only use Amazon/Aliexpress/Temu etc if I don’t have a choice. Things that are so god damn specific that the normal retailers I have access to in Europe don’t have it. Specific cables or things for modding that are in gray area so retailers here don’t want to sell it etc.
But I hate everything surrounding Amazon
I hope aliexpress is better. I buy a lot of stuff from there like electronics components which aren’t really sold locally anymore. Also tools and arduino related things…
AliExpress at least lets you buy close to the source of a lot of goods that you won’t find made elsewhere than China. Some stuff I find there exists from European makers, latest example, trim clips for cars: you can buy Restagraf but you need to live near a car body shop supplier that will be willing to sell you a few clips without insane markups.
I have never bought anything from Amazon and I don’t plan on it. I do understand that sometimes it’s the only place to find something that a person might NEED though - and at a price they can afford, so I don’t hate on the people on tight budgets that can’t find an item anywhere else. (It’s like when people buy stuff from Walmart, Target, etc. sometimes it’s the only place where you can get necessities.) However, if you can afford to get it somewhere else then do it…or if you can only find it on Amazon maybe reassess if you ACTUALLY need it.
Amazon is already dead to us. Just like Tesla, Target, Starbucks, and Meta.
They will never be purchased from, or supported in any way- ever again.
I avoid buying from Amazon as much as possible, but good luck doing anything online and avoiding AWS.
good luck doing anything online and avoiding AWS.
Don’t let perfect stand in the way of good.
It’s not possible in most cases to even know if a given online resource is using AWS behind the scenes, so it’s not something you can really control.
On the other hand, if you happen to be a web developer, that is a different story, but for normal users it’s not something you can do much about.
ITT: “I agree they’re systematically fucking us over (and don’t get me started on their horrible politics!) but will continue to enable them because it’s convenient and saves me a few bucks” this defense doesn’t make you look reasonable it makes you look like a clown
The thing is, it doesn’t save money to shop there, either. 90% of what you see is Amazon Marketplace, where you’re just paying people to dropship you trash from Aliexpress
How does Temu compare to Crapazon?
It’s worse than Amazon. It’s just cheap crap that will break in two weeks without any of the quality products that Amazon sometimes has.
If you love the Chinese low quality drop shipped items on Amazon, and wish that was the only thing they stocked, then Temu is great!
Shut up! If you don’t use Amazon how will the rich people go to space?
I don’t mind them going into space. It’s the coming back I have a problem with.
The only reason you need - it’s a monopoly. Fuck its all.
And I also hate with passion that 5 years ago you’d need AWS in your CV.
People also use it a ton in Europe where they do not have a monopoly.
Heck even in the US they don’t have a monopoly come to think about it, Aliexpress is selling the same crap
Also, AWS is so much more expensive than going with your own server.
Amazon makes the majority of its money from AWS. Literally using the Internet makes them buckets of money.
People can boycott it all they want. I just don’t use them, but none of that really hurts Amazon in the end.
If people want to actually hurt Amazon they need to call on the Government to break up AWS, Ma Bell style.
Hell, I guarantee there are Lemmy instances running on AWS.
17% is not “the majority”.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/how-amazon-makes-its-billions/
Your looking at gross income not net. By net income, AWS is over 50%.
Thanks to my country here is no amazon
As someone from Russia, we have Ozon and Wildberries and Yandex and Mail.ru, neither of which exists in all business niches of Amazon, but in the overlapping ones seem close.
It’s not that they are really bad, but I don’t like monopolies.
I think for all of these - marketplaces with delivery, social networks, cloud hosting, - there has to emerge some standard, some global system. Similar to the Internet or maybe to the postal service. Something has to be done, because these unfortunately work in a way encouraging monopoly.
Even when I was almost unconditionally ancap, infrastructure was a special case (and it still is for most ancaps, theoretically unconditional private property applies to hypothetical things fully created by a person, and for territory, infrastructure, discovered ideas it’s closer to the other extreme). These things are infrastructure.
In the Internet one person can host their stuff on one hosting, another on another, and their email on different providers, but they’ll be able to interact. A buyer on Ozon and a seller on Amazon are not.
That’s because email and web hosting require only the Internet the functioning system to exist. A social network requires more (if we want it to be interoperable and global),
I think the missing part to make such a standard is automated payments in the Internet. The platforms’ inner management of resources is hidden from us, but for a global system computing and storage resources are necessary, and they are neither provided by governments nor pooled by enthusiasts, it’s impractical to rely on pure altruism for such. And to have a global system with monetary encouragement of providing infrastructure means that we need payment for resources as simple and general as how we pay for landline or Internet service. ISP’s no longer provide shell accounts and web hosting, but even when they did, this wasn’t quite the thing.
The platforms emerged because it’s bothersome to pay for infrastructure and maintain it, there’s not even a straightforward way. You need a humongous service with plenty of computing, someone should pay for it.
So - there was Usenet at some point solving a lot of the similar problems, except, of course, a news server would store lots and lots of stuff for each hierarchy. But that wasn’t reimagined for the new things we do in the Internet.
For twiddling and various kinds of power abuse to be impossible they should be technically impossible in the system. So:
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Various functions of platforms should be decomposed into different pooled untrusted services (to pool anything you have to design for untrusted) in the Internet. Pooling can be done the way similar to bittorrent trackers - a service comes online, announces itself and repeats that regularly. A client needing a service requests a few trackers and picks a few services from the results. Services might be, say, storage (anything, like FTP servers even), computation (submit bytecode, receive result, or something like that), indexing (a search engine, returning results in standard machine-processable format), notification (like NOSTR relays). Maybe trade for resources can be a separate type of service. And user identity caching.
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It should be possible to provide a paid service and pay for that service, easily enough, like MMORPG scripted marketplaces - a setting like “buy no more than 2G of storage, by price no more than N per K, stop if remaining money less than K”. Or same for selling on a service you host.
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The history of platforms in the last 20 years shows us that the Internet is for the machines. The user representation should be in a local application, and the logic combining those non-application-specific services should work on the client machine. Say, aggregating results of a few indexing services, or aggregating trade offerings from a few trade services, or online users from among friends from a few notification services.
Shit, I wrote this again.
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Which country, if you don’t mind telling?
Alternatively, is that a decision made by your country’s people/government? Or did Amazon just not want to operate there?
Very inspiring, if it is the former.
I think former. It is really because we don’t have much dollar reserve. Central bank is very conservative in dollar export. International transaction is Virtually nil for public.
Amazon is a parasite. That’s all the reason I need.
I try to use local stores or other websites, and only use Amazon if I can’t find what I need there. But at least half the time I end up having to use Amazon because I can’t find what I need.
It’s probably a kind of vicious cycle: as Amazon eats further into profits of other companies they are more limited in what they can offer.
Know the struggle, just keep trying local stores or other sites first, maybe we can be a small part of change for the better ;)
I have yet to see a single item have a significant discount on prime day, it’s not even a sale.
www.Camelcamelcamel.com for all your Amazon price comp needs.
Owned by Amazon, FYI.Turns out I’m full of shit.
Not owned by Amazon, but there’s a big but.
Their source of income is from Amazon affiliates link. Whenever you follow the price of a product, if you click on the links on their websites or in their emails, they will earn a commission from Amazon.
Amazon recently started vetting their affiliates more. I’m 100% sure that camelcamelcamel now shows data in a way that doesn’t hurt Amazon (e.g. they won’t show sudden drops in prices, i.e. pricing mistakes) or even themselves (commissions are a percentage of the price paid by the user).
What’s the source for this? Can’t seem to find details about this online.
Oops I was wrong… My bad. Not sure where I got that from.
I can’t seem to find evidence of that. All I see is they’re Amazon affiliates, which pretty much anybody can be.
Do you have a source?
Looks like I was wrong! Consider it a human hallucination.
Fair enough. Honestly it was probably a safe bet too considering how much they have their hands in.
Oh no way
It’s not.
I didn’t look into it yet but that would seem a bit… Against its own interests.
Yeah turns out I was wrong about that… Must’ve been thinking of some other company! My bad.
Prices mysteriously go up about a week before prime day sales, then drop to a few dollars below normal, scream “39% off” and you feel like you beat the system.
Not the stores don’t use this trick during sales… This is probably the only thing Amazon has in common with everyoen else…
Prices mysteriously go up about a week before prime day sales, then drop to a few dollars below normal, scream “39% off” and you feel like you beat the system.
Gladly this practice is illegal in Finland at lest. Here companies having sales have to show the lowest price of that product within the last 30 days just for this very reason.
Or sometimes they remove a 25% off coupon that usually shows all the time and for the “sale” they just reduce the price of the item to that same amount without and then remove the coupon from the page. It will then look like it has gone on sale from camelcamelcamel because it wasn’t accounting for the price after the coupon it was only showing the item price.
i use another tracker, KEEPA.
i usually find the good deals randomly outside of any holidays, i mostly ignore prime deals.
I remember at my first job in high school in a store on Main Street. We had a sidewalk sale with other business owners.
My innocence was lost when my boss instructed me to place higher prices using our ordinary white stickers and then cover them with ‘discounted’ orange sales stickers at slightly higher prices than normal.
These dicks just do it at scale. Amazon is a tawdry crime organization. We all know it.
I’ve gone 3 years without ordering a single thing from amazon. I never intend to give them anymore money.
anymore money.
- any more money
- money anymore
You can’t straddle the lanes: you have to pick one.
Or you can accept that it’s a typo… and not freak out about a simple error that didn’t diminish your understanding of their comment.
Oh my god, yes.
Amazon basically solved this problem for me: they locked me out.
I dont agree with every point made, but agree with the overall sentinent. My problem is that the same thing can be said about other retailers, especially the brick and mortar ones. Walmart, Target, Home Depot, …whoever. They’ve all done it, and continue to do it.
Small business? Yeah, those essentially don’t exist in this context.
I have always said, ecommerce isn’t killing brick and mortar retail. They are killing themselves. Why? Because I’ve never felt like a valued customer at any of the retailers out there. I’ve been absolutely shit on by all the big retailers out there. And that’s not even getting into their policies, politics, and other behind the scenes stuff that I do care about, but it doesn’t directly impact my shopping experience.
So then I can buy something online, from a wide selection, with competitive prices, have it delivered to my door quickly, and if there’s any issues have zero problem with returns? That works for me.
Now in modern times I can argue that they don’t always have great customer service, don’t always have great pricing (for what you get), and its not all sunshine and roses. But I don’t see a viable alternative.
Find me another retailer online or brick and mortar that can supply me well and treat me well and I’ll go. But small business cant compete. And big retailers when they had all the money and power they didn’t do that so now that they are the underdogs why would they do it? So it’s just not happening.
I’ve never felt like a valued customer
I only have once, and it’s made all the other ones seem so much worse by comparison.
Thank you Ace Hardware. You fucking ruined me.
That’s because Ace Hardware is franchised. It’s essentially a bunch of small businesses that use the same branding.
ACE is more like a franchise than other retailers. Most are locally-owned. Some are employee-owned.
Story time?
The staff was friendly and helpful without being overbearing. They also knew what they were doing and could advise on projects. They weren’t understaffed, and they generally all seemed to enjoy working there.
It was strange.
That sounds so pleasant! Here, you go to Rona / Lowe’s, you ask them a question and you’re met with an “iunnodude”. Maybe home hardware is comparable.
Not OC, but here’s no single story. Any time I pop into my local Ace I can instantly get help getting what I need, which is not always what I think I want when I enter the store. Consistently knowledgeable, helpful, and friendly staff, combined with my money staying in the neighborhood, makes it worth it.
ACE is awesome compared to the competition. Especially if exchanging your propane tank.
Strictly, over consumption is the enemy. Less so where you buy, but the rampant rush to the bottom in price and quality is what the issue is. I shop where I get the best quality, rather than the best price
