Dear YouTube, if anyone there ever reads this.
I tried not to block ads, I would let the preroll go and usually not skip it.
I started skipping ads when they started getting long. I recall some were several minutes long at times.
I started leaving videos part way through when there were mid-roll ads, and those got long enough that I’d often forget what I was even watching.
I started blocking the ads outright when I would be watching a relaxing video, and a very loud mid-roll ad would blow out my goddamn eardrums.
Fuck you YouTube. You abused your users, you chased off good content creators, and now you’re offering people no carrot and all stick. How about you offer to match the volume of the ads to the videos, limit the length of ads to something reasonable, and nicely tell viewers that you are making ads less annoying and that unblocking the ads helps pay the content creators.
I used to make animations for YouTube, which weren’t monetized because I hate ads, and one day they copyright struck me for some very provably public domain music, but the way they did it was to insert ads into my video without my consent so they could monetize them to send the money to the scammer who flagged me. So I just deleted my entire account, fuck them.
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Lmao “you purposely made your stuff shit. Now, if you offered a basic service without all the shit, I might pay for that.”
Bruh, you don’t pay for something because it’s not shit, you pay for something because it’s good. By paying for a basic service simply because it’s not shit, you are incentivising them to enshittify their service and offer a premium “not shit” version, instead of actually improving their service.
It’s just like the people who buy the new iPhone because it actually has a headphone jack this time.
They get away with this because people don’t use the alternatives. Odysee and Rumble are actually good alternatives. No, they’re not as good as YouTube, but they’re good enough. We just need creators to also upload to those platforms. Since YouTube keeps banning and demobilising them, this problem might solve itself.
Rumble is 100% fascist Nazi bullshit, not an alternative
If your feed is “100% fascist Nazi bullshit” may I suggest you watch less Nazi bullshit, and stop subscribing to them?
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I am much, much more likely to be willing to pay for Ublock than I am YouTube.
That’s interesting to me as someone who has paid for both lol.
Just curious, why would you not want to pay for YouTube knowing that some of that money makes it to the creators at least? Is that not enough? Is it a principal thing because they try to block the ad blockers now? Or do you think all video content should be free somehow with the creators making a living some other way?
I have been going through things I subscribe to lately and realized that the content on YouTube is probably the thing I watch the most. I genuinely like some of the people I watch videos of there and want them to do well. I like that some of them started their own streaming sites now so that’s nice but I also don’t want more streaming sites.
Well there are a few things to say about your comment. First, YouTube DOES pay content providers. However, most earn money from multiple sources like YouTube, Patreon, sponsors and merchandise sales. Out of those sources youtube is probably the most fickle. Their rules about canceling a channel or removing monetization are arbitrarily enforced and difficult or impossible to appeal.
The same can be said for the way viewers are treated. YouTube is a “free” service. They decided to operate this way, not us. Instead of, for instance, offering the streaming service as a paid subscription, they chose to essentially destroy the product and then ask for payment to fix it ( the so called poison pill). And don’t forget the notion that if you are not paying for the product, you ARE the product. I’m pretty sure that YouTube is collecting our information and profiting from it. And if they aren’t the parent company absolutely is. When you couple this with the thought that “suggested” content is designed to profit youtube, its easy to make the argument that it wasn’t actually free to begin with.
So bottom line is, I think people are fed up with relentless marketing and the form of marketing YouTube has chosen is the worst possible kind of marketing. This leaves those who have been users for a while and want to continue, with the choice of fighting this invasive advertising with ad blockers or paying for the service. The latter of which feels a lot like a reward for reprehensible behavior on the part of youtube.
In short, I think the chief complaint here is HOW youtube has gone about this. Anyway, that’s the way I see it. I use a lot of “free” services and youtube is by far the worst type of cost. Pandora, plays ads I have to listen to as the cost for that service but they aren’t nearly as bad about it and they never do it in the middle of a song, for instance. I use Wikipedia and they don’t market at all, just ask for a donation every now and then. I gave up and just paid for youtube premium. But I have to say it feels a bit like I was extorted, because I feel like I have seen enough ads for one lifetime. If at any point youtube starts showing ads with their paid service I will absolutely drop them like a hot potato, which would be a shame since, like you, I enjoy a lot of the content.
If you’re using uBlock Origin. Go to “Filter Lists” and Purge All Caches. That may help.
I just did the zap element thing on that warning. So far so good, except you can’t scroll down.
Lmao
Can we pin this?
…temporarily it might help
I don’t really know how people can even use YouTube without ad blockers. Sitting through minutes of advertisement is not going to make me want to buy your product if I start mentally associating your product with frustration and annoyance. If these video ads are going to be repetitive and annoying, at least make them funny.
It seems like there is nowhere on the Internet to get away from ads currently, even here, where you thought you are safe, you are now reading an ad for my newest movie (you know the one), now also available on streaming!
Sitting through minutes of advertisement is not going to make me want to buy your product if I start mentally associating your product with frustration and annoyance.
Thing is, it’s actually very easy to quantify whether or not these ads produce enough sales to justify their spend.
They piss of people, but they also work and drive sales that more than make up for the ad spend.
I would like to imagine a world where site advertising was reasonable. Ad blockers don’t exist, sites advertise 1 or 2 banners at $3-5 CPM and everyone gets paid and consumes content in synchrony. It won’t happen. Advertising is setup for ad blocking audiences and iOS cookieless environments. Everyone else subsidizes by viewing the myriad of placements splattered all over the page.
I’ll be watching a documentary about a horrible accident or murder and then grammarly pops up in the middle all cheery. Nice ad campaign there guys.
The weird thing about the whole advertising economy is the assumption that you are somehow denying them money by not watching their ads. It is as if they were thinking “Well, if you do watch the ads enough eventually you’ll cave in and spend $ on the product/service so by not watching our ads you are stealing from us.” No, I have no desire, and never will, to buy your product/service. It reminds me of the copyright proponents who think that if you copy something that is a lost sale. Well, if the price is unreasonable to me, or if I only have it because it is free, it was never a lost sale because I never would’ve bought it in the first place so you haven’t lost a cent.
Don’t get me on the sites that repeat the same ad on the same page a dozen times. Yah, the first 6 times didn’t get me but the next 6 have me sold!
It’s too customized to trick kids into buying shit out of pure overstimulation. These fakefluencers will literally be screaming and shaking their tits with the camera being focused straight at their cleavage, all while losing in a obviously animated gameplay video and ending it by pouting and saying “If only I had more gems to spend so I could win!!!”
Agreed. Also, it’s not YouTube’s content to sell. YouTube doesn’t create content. It only exists because we (the users) upload the content to make that possible.
There are places like that, even with YouTube, but you usually have to pay rather than use the ad-supported free product. (Assuming ad blockers don’t work well any longer)
I really don’t know how people can ever use YouTube.
people say “yeah i stayed up too late last night, I went down a youtube rabbithole you know?” and I’m like No! I actually don’t know! How the fuck are you watching crap on youtube for hours??
What I don’t get, is that people whine and bitch on every post about YouTube doing stupid shit to fuck over the content creators, and then when it’s suggested that they stop using YouTube, it’s:
”NOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo! Not my precious U-Toobs!”
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I haven’t watched live tv in almost 20 years because I refuse to sit through ads, and I definitely won’t sit through them on YouTube. If it was a banner or some thing on the page or the side of video that would be more acceptable, but sitting through ads to watch a YouTube video….there’s just no way.
You could subscribe
I basically don’t subscribe to any streaming services, but we got the family plan years ago and share it with a few friends and family that chip in a couple bucks each.
It’s so affordable and the content on YouTube is second to none.
I’m so happy to help content creators earn a living content I genuinely care about rather than studios led by c-suite committees.
Oh you sweet summer child
It’s an end of an era. I’ve been on reddit for over a decade, and on youtube for even longer. Crazy to think I might be giving up both of those services within a few months of each other. Feels like the internet is dying. Oh well. Maybe I’ll go back to reading a shitload.
The worst part about reddit was they made ads and legit posts look as similar as possible
Maybe I’ll go back to reading a shitload.
I’ve been reading a lot more lately, and dear god, for your own sake, please do. I’ve been so much happier and less anxious reading books vs random internet garbage. Highly recommend.
Clearly you’re reading actual books, don’t drop down the webnovel rabbit hole. All those damn stories are designed to scratch an itch you never knew you had until you’re subbed to a dozen patreon’s paying way more than if you’d waited for a book release.
That’s good to hear. I’ve started reading Leonard and Hungry Paul and I like it so far. I’ve also started reading China Mieville’s The City and the City, which is also good, but Mieville has this weird thing where the more plot his novels have the worse they are. He’s great at describing a city as a living, breathing thing, though. That’s why the best parts of Perdido Street Station were the first 100 pages or so before the actual story really got started. Hopefully this novel doesn’t suffer from the same problems.
What about you, what have you been reading?
not dying, evolving
Rejuvenating. It’s the circle of life. The old have to die so that new life can spring from their corpses.
Evolution implies that old things die and new things take their place, so those are not mutually exclusive concepts. The thing taking its place is comparatively worse than the thing that came before it, though. Which is fucking annoying, but oh well.
I’m wondering whether all these things we do on the internet have been shit all along but they have just reached a threshold we can’t tolerate any more, no matter how addicted we are to it. Torrenting ebooks and films and then going into aeroplane mode is the way forward imo.
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Yeah I could care less about people saying they’d watch ads of they were less intrusive. I’m not, I don’t give a fuck about YouTube’s sustainability who happened to still have major growth while I ran an AdBlock this entire time.
Maybe I’d consider paying if YouTube was the actual product I was paying for. Instead I get privacy invasive spying and my data being harvested, while am paying to do so. The product I’d want to pay for would have zero privacy invasive stuff involved. Which that isn’t going to exist, so I’m never going to pay.
I couldn’t* care less.
If you say “I could care less,” then it means you’re still caring.
In my opinion its impossible to be unable to care less if you are aware of something there is always a tiny bit of care wether its negative or not is irrelevant.
Good opinion.
But in the end, the correct phrase is “I couldn’t care less.”
I could care less
Cool.
I couldn’t give a monkey’s.
Youtube is getting on cable tv levels of bad. On a regular ~10min video you will first deal with a few preroll ads and at least one is unskippable, then the creator will have a 2+ minute sponsor segment (I don’t mind those since they are usually well presented). There will also be multiple midroll ad spots.
Depending on video length, it’s gonna soon be literally more ad than video. They are still stealing and selling your data though, and also making the web worse for everyone with DRM shit.
Fuck. Google.
I had already migrated to Invidious since last year because I degoogled everything. Seems like now its time to look for real youtube alternatives.
Youtube is getting on cable tv levels of bad. On a regular ~10min video you will first deal with a few preroll ads and at least one is unskippable, then the creator will have a 2+ minute sponsor segment (I don’t mind those since they are usually well presented). There will also be multiple midroll ad spots.
That would only be accurate if Google quintupled the price of YouTube Premium and forced these ads upon actual paying customers.
I really don’t like it when pro-piracy advocates whine about being served ads or not having everything on a single unified service costing just $9.99 a month, or a fraction of how much Cable used to cost.
Now this may be a bitter pill for the Lemmy World community to swallow, but ads being annoying doesn’t grant you a God given right to freeload off of other people’s products and services, and this rings especially true for YouTube. The only reason I don’t compare ad-blockers to piracy is due to their downright necessity in tackling malvertising, which is unfortunately all-too-common.
YouTube is the only big player in the video sharing market for a reason, and that’s because hosting videos is prohibitively expensive unless you have the resources of Alphabet Inc and the existing following that YouTube already has. Many competitors have come and gone. Heck, the only competitors in this space are Dailymotion (a French platform that has been enshittified Digg v4 style) and Rumble (an extreme pro-free speech platform that’s being bankrolled by alt-righters.)
And forget about the absolute goldmine YouTube is for Google. It’s is among the most important information repositories in history and profits massively from it. There is a reason they run it at a loss. Google uses that data to categorize everything thing about you and uses it to exploit your psychology to sell whatever bullshit their advertisers are peddling this week. It then double dips by selling off that data. And I’m supposed to pay for this? Nah. Fuck Google. I’d rather see YouTube get shit canned than pay a single dime to Google.
You forget that many simply don’t care, like me. I stopped using anything google for a reason. Their services are usually lower quality than alternatives, might get shut down tomorrow, paying them doesn’t stop your data from being milked, and they continually look for ways to make the internet worse. You’re supporting the biggest ads company here…
I pay for 3+ streaming services, and all of them offer me a better deal than yt. It’s not about paying for me. It’s simply not worth it for my low use of the platform. I only ever look at my 20 subscriptions and my watch later playlist. Until that goes away I will block ads.
I’m just waiting for the next platform to pop up, it’s gonna happen sooner or later and hopefully isn’t cancer…
I almost got it until I saw it cost 15 a month and they need to fix their copyright troll problem.
We need to block ads so that ads die. Anti-angiogenesis for advertising. Get a less annoying business model.
That said, I have YouTube premium at that I don’t see ads.
Heck, the only competitors in this space are Dailymotion (a French platform that has been enshittified Digg v4 style) and Rumble (an extreme pro-free speech platform that’s being bankrolled by alt-righters.)
Nebula and Floatplane?
If you’re using UBlock Origin do the following:
Go to settings. Go to Filter Lists. Click purge all caches. Click update now.
That’s it, this message should disappear entirely.
What youtube is trying to achieve is technically impossible, unless they merge the advertisements into the videos.
don’t give them ideas
It’s already possible to block those with Sponsorblock.
What you’re saying is already very possible. Twitch is at the forefront of fighting adblockers and they’re constantly adding new ways to serve ads.
Realistically speaking I think YouTube has been only tolerating ad blockers and will start rolling out new methods next year.
There are twitch specific ad blocks that have worked for about a year. It’s pretty seamless.
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That’s probably because the streamers you watch don’t run them.
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It worked for me but minutes later it started appearing again
The UBO guys have recommended turning off other plugins (obviously, start by turning off everything, then turn stuff on slowly until you find what is conflicting).
Oh, and make sure you’re on Firefox, not any chromium based browser (Edge, Chrome, Opera, Brave etc).
I’ve also seen suggestions that you should try removing any custom filters (can’t remember if that’s direct from the UBO guys or not)
If you’re using UBlock Origin do the following:
UBlock should just add code that automatically does that every time you start the browser, or daily.
Not everyone would want the cache cleared all the time. Cache is useful, it prevents you from reloading everything every time. If he was to add the functionality it would probably need to be an adjustable setting.
Not everyone would want the cache cleared all the time. Cache is useful, it prevents you from reloading everything every time.
Yeah I understand how cache works and it’s benefits, but my point was, if the only way to fix the issue is to clear the cache, and if changes are coming down daily that requires you to clear the cache daily so you don’t see commercials, that they might as well automate that.
That if you do not want to see commercials you lose the benefits of having a cache, basically.
If you’re using UBlock Origin do the following:
Go to settings. Go to Filter Lists. Click purge all caches. Click update now.
That’s it, this message should disappear entirely.
I think there is going to be a time when ublock alone cannot simply program their way out of this, they will need help eventually from a completely different approach like anti ablock killers or some other app that hide the blocker itself from detection
https://openuserjs.org/scripts/reek/Anti-Adblock_Killer_Reek
Holy crap
Piped is about to get another user
Why wouldn’t they block Piped?
I haven’t turned off ad-blocking in 20 years. That’s because I “don’t allow” companies to use my home and my computer as their place of business.
Unpopular opinion: They should’ve just started charging big creators, kind of like Vimeo. Mofos be having youtube ads, sponsorships, built-in ads, courses, merch stores and patreon, and then they whine when youtube wants them to comply with advertiser’s demands.
How well did that work out for Vimeo?
Charging the people to create the content you sell is downright dumb.
Works well enough that it’s still one of the major video hosting platforms.
The part you miss is “you sell” part. Unlike youtube, where it solves both monetization and content delivery for you, Vimeo, AFAIK, doesn’t do any monetization and focuses enterely on content delivery. You pay for the service, and how you monetize the content is entirely up to you. May be the ad deal with NORD SHADOW MANSCAPED, may be donations. Or, the video may be promoting your own business, which seems to be the most common use case - as a business you don’t want a competitor’s ad on a video which purpose is to promote your own.
Only fans really doing terrible rn you’re right
Idk if that would be a good business decision. They would want it to be free and easy to start a channel still, so it would mean once your channel gets to a certain popularity google makes the deal progressively worse. This would create a big incentive for competition if all your biggest content creators are suddenly paying over cost to subsidize smaller channels.
Not that this would be a bad thing, but I don’t see why google would ever want to risk it.
ublock origin still blocking everything.
ublock origin is so good at blocking YouTube it almost makes me think the developer is affiliated somehow. Their other extension, umatrix (which has more or less the same functionality just laid out differently), never really worked for me, but as soon as I add ublock origin it works perfectly.
Are any of the blocklists actually made by gorhill?
In uMatrix? The lists it comes with are:
- Dan Pollock’s hosts file
- MVPS HOSTS
- Peter Lowe’s Ad and tracking server list
It probably wouldn’t be too hard to export from uBlock and import into uMatrix. I generally prefer uMatrix, even though it’s technically discontinued. Even when you put uBlock into Author mode in the advanced settings, it still only really lets you choose by domain instead of splitting it down into scripts, XHR, frames, etc.
I was asking because if gorhill doesn’t maintain any block lists then the conspiracy that he has inside information from youtube is nothing more then a conspiracy.
Actually, uBlock does use lists made by the developer, I think. In the settings there’s a bunch of things that are built in:
So maybe it’s something in there that blocks YouTube ads, which uMatrix is missing.
I didn’t say I actually thought that.
not the current version. YT just updated their id.
YouTube ReVanced is still around?
Yup. I last updated a month or 2 ago and it works perfectly fine still.
I wish I could say the same been getting these annoying youtube things with firefox/ublock on both linux and windows
Not for me anymore.
Adblockers are eventually just going to become undetectable because of this. Adblockers are about to get so much better!
I would argue that next step YouTube is going to pull is just in time video mixing where they will overlay add on top of your video. This would make adblockers unable to block since it’s indistinguishable from regular video. However efforts like SponsorBlock would become dominant way of blocking ads. At which point YouTube will probably resort to preventing skipping video while ads are playing.
At not poing will it occur to them all of that is a waste of time and that there are smarter ways to earn money without gouging people’s eyes out. At the moment this is not happening because it’s too CPU intensive.
They could use inline commercials.
They could also disable viewing while not logged in, they count the minutes you’ve watched content vs the minutes of commercials that content was supposed to have and block your account.
Addblocker that runs a second instance in the background that watches the add for each video to make up the time.
We already have sponsorblock for that.
Suck my balls Google
Present them
Okay Google, show me your balls
They might, but you’ll have to watch ads while they do it.
