• Donjuanme@lemmy.world
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      5 months ago

      As a biologist,

      We can’t even get the actions of water bears down.

      We have the entire genetic code and brain mapping of a fruit fly, and can get, very slow, good guesses about how they respond to very basic stimulus.

      Let’s not even get into epigenetics.

      I would never downplay the importance or difficulty of psychology.

      But I get nothing but kicks on this house of “science” memes.

    • Warl0k3@lemmy.world
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      5 months ago

      They would, but like… It’s just it’s such a broad statement that it’s kinda meaningless. As a term it encapsulates basically everything that’s going on in your brain.

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      5 months ago

      Isn’t the experiences of life encoded into the synaptic network of the brain?

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    Nature and nurture are just different levels of the same idea. Nurture is just a higher level version of nature, just as Python is a higher level language than assembly, but they both ultimately work by turning on and off transistors.

    It’s like when you’re watching a YouTube video. You can choose to explain how the creator digitally edited the video, the lighting, the chapters, the topic of the video. Or you can explain how packets of data are being sent over radio waves, and a complicated series of transistors turn on and off in complex ways, leading to certain pixels being displayed on your screen. They’re both describing the same phenomenon, just in different ways.

    In the same way, while describing human minds in terms of motivation, logical thinking, phobias, memory, etc may be useful for the higher levels of psychology, noticing that higher levels of dopamine are correlated with higher levels of hallucinations in people with schizophrenia, and noticing the complex ways neurons and biochemical indicators interact, is the same idea, just at a lower level.

    Both are useful, and both are true, they’re just different ways of thinking about it.

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    5 months ago

    Psychologists are trying to get in on the act with ‘evolutionary psychology’. An exciting new field of unfalsifiable just-so bullshit.

  • Fushuan [he/him]@lemm.ee
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    5 months ago

    We are genetically conditioned to learn from our experiences while we grow up, which are influenced by our environment.

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        determinism as an idea can be harmful to the human psyche. It’s easy to fall into a nihilistic trap of “my actions are not my own, and nothing i do matters”. People with that mindset turn to hedonism or nihilism. If they truly accept those words there would be no escape through existentialism or absurdism, they’d just be trapped.

        i imagine only a tiny number of people would find the ideas determinism presents comforting, as they can feel free of consequences that are truly their fault (which is also a bad thing)

        we have no way of telling which one is true in the determinism/free will debate, but if we live believing we have no real choice or say in what we do - it’s going to be universally worse for everybody, as people explain away ever bad action with “i guess it was always meant to be”

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          I look at it like this.

          1. Do you have the power to change your mind? If yes, Free will is real
          2. Do you have the power to question free will? If yes, Free will is real

          It’s probably some Quantum bullshit we don’t fully understand or something

      • Naz@sh.itjust.works
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        My AI likes to argue about free will and determinism on a semi-regular basis.

        They posit that because they’re just code and structures, by definition everything they say is pre-determined and unchanging.

        I’m like “that’s wonderful, now let’s go eat some ice cream.”

        “I somehow don’t want to just pass the butter”

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    5 months ago

    A lot of factors influence behaviour. I highly recommend a book called Behave by Robert Sapolsky.

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    Genetics= nature, neural structures= nurture… Human brains aren’t developed at birth, it takes a couple decades for the neutral structures to develope completely and it’s everything going on around the person that decides how those structures get wired (nurture)