• masquenox@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Because (so-called) “libertarians” aren’t.

    The term “libertarian” has been hijacked in the anglophone-world (starting in the US, of course) to essentially just mean “fundamentalist capitalist” - they are right-wingers who have been immunized from reality and mindlessly support only “liberty” as it applies to private corporations and their interests. Therefore, it shouldn’t surprise anyone that you can find these (so-called) “libertarians” anywhere you find neo-nazis and the KKK.

    In the non-anglophone world, the term libertarian still holds it’s original meaning - a socialist… or, more specifically, an anarchist.

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      “Libertarian” became popular in the US when it started being incorporated into various science fiction novels. Probably the most famous is “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress.” I love the book as science fiction, but the society the author creates depends on so many caveats that even the author has the old style ‘free’ system fall apart as soon as an actual government [as opposed to prison regulations] is formed.

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        “Libertarian” became popular in the US when it started being incorporated into various science fiction novels.

        They got their que from right-wing economic grifters like Rothbard and Hayek - people whose beliefs wouldn’t be out of place in Nazi Germany. That’s why olden days US sci-fi writing was a festering hole of fascism - nothing else could have produced people like Heinlein.

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          Heinlein was a huge friend to Philip K. Dick, and any number of Jewish science fiction writers. He was one of the first writers to have an African woman as a hero, one of the first to have a transman character. Stop using the word ‘fascist’ for anyone on the Right. It dilutes the term.

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          I got mine from the Libertarian party, a few decades ago.

          They didn’t seem too fascistic back then.

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              They didn’t wear brown, black, or blue uniforms.

              They wore no uniforms.

              One seemed to like Dead Kennedy’s and Black Flag.

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                They didn’t wear brown, black, or blue uniforms.

                Most fascists don’t.

                One seemed to like Dead Kennedy’s and Black Flag.

                And up until very recently a whole bunch of them thought Rage Against The Machine was theirs, too.

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                  They seem most powerful in uniform—I guess that’s what helps ties those little sticks together into their mighty hammer, FWIW.

                  I don’t like Rage Against the Machine.

                  Part of it is musical, I suppose.

                  Part of it is they support tankies and a group that massacred indigenous peasants in Peru.

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                    They seem most powerful in uniform

                    Sure. But it also makes knowing who to shoot a whole lot easier, too.

                    Part of it is they support tankies and a group that massacred indigenous peasants in Peru.

                    I’m not sure what RATM’s deal with the (so-called) “Shining Path” lot was… there’s nothing unique about leftists having shit takes or throwing their weight behind the wrong cause. It comes with the territory.

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      I’d personally prefer to not give them the satisfaction of calling themselves “libertarians”, and to, instaed, call them out on their missapropriation — the philosophy should be defended from those who would tarnish it.