First let me be clear: I’m not a crazy conspiracy person (…on this) I just don’t rely on a municipal well. As far as I know adding fluoride to the private well at my houses is not a thing, good or bad. I did drink municipal water for two years when I lived on campus in college.
That said, is fluoride a benefit to adults or just children?
When I was a kid I got fluoride treatments at the dentist, but then aged out. I’ve never had a cavity in forty years, but I’d like to keep it that way. Should I still be doing it?
Also no, I’m not using the internet as a substitute for a dentist, just my next dental appointment is in four months. TIA
Everyone, even dogs benefit from fluoride in the water. It’s not just children. Virtually all toothpaste contains it too. Some groundwater sources also contain it naturally, some even above the recommended max level from health associations. So I’d say, document yourself with official sources. Test your well levels, then decide. Be mindful that regular consumption of soft drinks, processed foods and even air conditioning nullifies the effects for cavities.
Be mindful that … air conditioning nullifies the effects for cavities.
Got any sources for that? My admittedly very brief search just turned up a bunch of stuff about ventilation and COVID/aerosols.
Dry air, dries the mouth. Dry mouth is sensible to cavities.
I understand that air conditioning removes some moisture from the air, but just how much of an effect does it actually have on oral moisture? I was hoping to find some sort of studies with actual measurements of some sort.
It does sound like some armchair reasoning rather than observation or study.
Thanks. The fluoride in the water itself is not directly relevant because I just don’t have it, but good evidence to raise the topic with my dentist as an adult. I definitely use fluoridated toothpaste.
Yeah, if it’s in toothpaste you’re getting enough.
If you wanted to add fluoride like after you doing well treatment…
I honestly don’t know if that’s a good idea, because who knows how evenly it’ll stay mixed correctly.
Like. You may end up getting a shit ton of fluoride when there’s no rain and your wells low, then barely any when it fills up.
Fluoride toothpaste is likely your best bet for consistent doses.
Makes sense. Even if its a thing I’d probably not keep up on it. My house filters have gotten embarrassingly full in my time
Yeah, I tell people I’m on well/septic even in a city because when this house was built it was before urban sprawl…
And everyone immediately says how great it is that I don’t have to pay water/sewer.
But like, I got to pump the septic, I got to service the well, I got to maintain the well pump and pressure tank, my garden hose has no pressure, have to keep up with water softener using a bunch of salt…
I’m probably not even saving money. And it’s a lot of hassle.
But it would be 10s of thousands of dollars to get it hooked up, and who knows if my 80 year old plumbing can sustain city water pressure.
Not to mention if my electric goes out, so does my water.
I’d 100% prefer city water, $20 a month ain’t shit.
Yeah, the money isn’t a thing for me. My houses are in parts of NY that just don’t have municipal wells, so there’s no reason to feel one way or the other about it. It just is what it is.
Here in Germany, fluoride is
mandated by lawrecommended to be added to table salt, so I assume it is good to have in general.However, regular toothpaste as well as many mouthwashes contain fluoride. In particular, they can contain a much higher dosis, because you spit it back out, so if you’re worried about your teeth, these are definitely the way to go.
Very interesting! I’ve never heard of adding fluoride to table salt, but I can’t see why not!
You can also find table salt with folic acid (vitamin B9) here, and apparently sometimes also with selenium.
And yeah, quite interesting to me, too, to read up on this. I always thought, table salt is NaCl + the legally mandated additives. I guess, they do throw in these additives to give themselves a unique selling point.
And that works for me. Will look out for table salt with iodine, fluoride and folic acid on my next shop visit.
Yes, the benefit doesn’t vary by age. Flouridated water prevents cavities throughout your life.
Thanks
Fluoridated water just isn’t an option for me but I can ask my dentist about options beyond fluoridated toothpaste and mouthwash.
Swede here. I’m a bit confused by the whole flouride thing in the US.
We don’t add flouride in the water. At least not in amounts needed to get better tooth health.
Almost everyone users toothpaste with fluoride. The concentration is 1000ppm in toothpaste for children (below 6 years of age) and 1450ppm in toothpaste for children (6 years and older) and grown-ups.
We also used to have mandatory sessions with the “fluoride lady” in school. We all had to bring our toothbrush to school and got to dip it in a fluoride solution (mouthwash I presume) and brush our teeth while the fluoride lady pointed at a large scale model of teeth and gums. All kids were a little bit afraid of the fluoride ladies. I’m not sure if it’s still mandatory today, but I think a lot of schools (1st to 3rd grade maybe?) still has this on the schedule once a year.
Sweden has got a history of focus on tooth health since we have cheap healthcare (was free 50 years ago. Times are harder now so we pay $10-$13 per night at a hospital. Life is so hard! 😉) and bad tooth health is the cause of a lot of other health issues. Which in the end would cost our state medical insurance a lot more than fixing tooth health.
For the one with waaaaat too much time on their hands, Sweden has done some pretty dark shit in the name of “for the greater good”. Google a documentary about the Vipeholm experiments if you want to know more about one of the reasons to how the world knows so much about tooth decay.
I grew up in a house with well water, no fluoride. I’ve had a million cavities, and my dentist suggested that was a contributing factor, although certainly diet and genetics are too.
Also, wish I had a link to the article, but I was reading about how whether you “have” a cavity depends on your dentist’s interpretation of the x-rays and their philosophy about treatment. Some dentists will see a light area and say “let’s fill that before it gets worse” and others will note it and see how things develop. It was actually pretty alarming because sounds like professional standards for dentistry are looser than some other areas of medicine, and the description rang true for some of the dentists I’ve seen.
This is definitely a thing. I mentioned no cavities, but I have had some “slight decalcification we might want to address before it gets worse” that then got better on their own.
Yeah, I would much prefer if someone framed it that way than “you have decay, let’s schedule an appointment for a filling”
It’s notable that medical journals went evidence based in the 70s but only some dental journals made the same switch.
Grew up in a well water house, we were prescribed fluoride pills.
First cavity came at 36
How long did you take fluoride pills, as an adult or only as a child?
I started when I was 5 and probably stopped when I was old enough to forget taking them and not be reminded to, probably around 16 or so.
I don’t recall to be honest.
Yeah, I think that’s why my dentist gave me fluoride treatments as a child. Have you gotten any as an adult?
I think I had one treatment as an adult. But a dental hygienist recommended rinsing every night with the purple Listerine that has fluoride in it, which… hasn’t hurt? I think it’s doing the trick and I haven’t had more cavities since, but of course couldn’t say for sure if that’s why.
Interesting, I get a fluoride treatment at the dentist every time. It’s just part of the thing, why I can’t eat for 45 minutes after.
Do you even know how much fluoride is in your water? Sometimes it’s naturally high, that’s how they figured out it was good for your teeth.
I don’t have the ppm memorized, but it was like tenth percentile
The scientific concensus is certainly ‘Yes’, but my own personal experience backs that up. I struggled with cavities well into my 30s, especially while at college where I mostly drank distilled water I bought in jugs at the grocery store (the local water supply had frequent issues I was trying to avoid). At some point, my dentist put me on a high-fluoride toothpaste, and the cavities basically stopped. The extra fluoride seems to have a definitive effect for me.
Too late now but I don’t think you’re supposed to drink distilled water. It lacks the minerals your teeth and body need.
I’ve never heard of floride treating a well. But wouldn’t it be better to add floride after the filter etc, for more consistent dosage?
I would think so. I use fluoridated toothpaste, and another commenter recommended fluoridated mouthwash.
Seems like the answer is yes and I’ll be discussing it with my dentist.
For a municipal supply it’s worth the effort, it improves oral health for a whole community at the cost of some fluoride and a dosimeter. For a private supply it’s not worth it. Fluoridated toothpaste and mouthwash will give you a good dose of fluoride.
Fluoride is great in toothpaste. Kills the germs and sterilises the gums.
I fought our Council to stop fluoride being added to our water here in Southampton in the UK about 10 years ago. I asked questions about whether gastrointestinal doctors had been consulted and what the effects were on the rest of the body, the bones etc. Nobody could answer. At the time I found that worrying. I am pro-vaccination, pro-science. I pointed out the severe lack of dentists that even kids dont any longer have access to at the time (it has since become far worse). Without actual dentists people lose the influence they provide as well as the treatment.
Chlorine chemistry is added to water to treat the water. Fluorine is added to treat the person. And to me that sounded like medication with no opt out (other than moving home). People should have a right to chose what they dont want to put in their bodies, even if it is technically slightly harmful in the long term (even nutrients). Science is learning that over sterilisation of other parts of the body (eg the skin) can affect the health. What we need is far, far more data on those that do have these water additions to see what happens to the populations health.
Fluoride does not kill or sterilize anything. It reacts with enamel (hydroxyapetate) to convert it to a stronger version (hydroxyfluorapatite).
People who want their enamel to be softer and wear through are welcome to drink bottled water.
I am already paying for water - through my water bill. I have a right to as clear a water as possible. And fluoride is technically a sterilising agent - fluorine and chlorine are right next to each other in the periodic table.
https://www.mdpi.com/2076-3417/10/8/2885
Edit: since when is sharing scientific knowledge a reason for downvoting? It’s not relevant??
