Best interaction with an antimasker:
Them: masks don’t work
Me: We’ll I’m going to wear one anyway
Them: Well then you’re just traping the germs against your face
Me: so you’re saying they block germs?
They even stated the correct reason to wear a mask: to trap the germs against my face, so others don’t get infected
It’s like they don’t compute the idea behind it, it stops at me me me
My favorite reply to them is that it’s America and I can do whatever I want, I’ll call them snowflakes too whenever appropriate. They get pissed when you insinuate they’re anti American lul.
Well, it’s only fair, seeing as they ARE anti-American.
i’ve just recently seen the same with pro 2a people. It was on a video about inclusive gun safety training, because the 2a is quite literally, for everyone. SO many people in the comments were saying something along the lines of “well if we trained them, then they might kill us”
Yeah no shit. What do you think they thought of you prior to this moment huh? Just utter fucking ignorance for anything more than a mere shred of intellectual thought being put into whatever they say. Not to mention that this is borderline authoritarian policy by nature but that’s the other funny part.
Didn’t gun control ramp up when the Black Panthers started exercising their rights to bear arms? Funny thing is the Panthers seem much more like a “well-regulated militia” than this Wild West, permitless carry, anything goes BS.
exactly. gun control only started when minorities started exercising their right to bear arms. The right don’t want gun control laws until the groups they are trying to oppress start exercising their second amendment rights.
i mean, that’s also perfectly legal under 2A, 90% of the time gun control is related to regulation in regards to owning, rather than the ability to the own it period. Which is another argument all together tbh.
I wouldnt know much about the specifics of that group though, only that it has to do with civil rights from memory lol.
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Claims are not evaluated, in the loyalist worldview. They’re not arguments. They’re slogans. You shuffle your cards and say whatever might justify the ingroup being fundamentally superior to the outgroup. Because of course, it is impossible for someone to simply be wrong. That would require evaluating claims. No: truth is dictated by people above you. They must be right and smart and handsome, or they wouldn’t be above you. Any challenge, any criticism, any disagreement, is a personal attack. You are calling someone lesser.
And I say “you” because these people think this is all we’re doing. They think that’s all there is. It’s reality as a team sport.
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While it is fun to tweak their titties with this, it will make zero difference on their position because their position wasn’t arrived at by rational thought.
Their actual position is that they don’t give a fuck about anyone other than themself. Everything they claim to believe is just a rationalization they think will sound good to someone else. All they care about is what they can convince others.
While there is some nuance between people, you pretty spot on.
Weaponized magical thinking.
My favorite interactions was going into Walmart.
It was mid/early spring, right as things were starting to lockdown. I wasn’t wearing a jacket cuz it was glorious out.
Some old boomer lady started harassing me over not wearing a jacket and blah blah blah.
She wouldn’t shut up, and was blocking me from walking in, so I faked a sneeze. The look of horror on her face as she fled.
(And I’m pretty sure that was also the fastest time in and out of a Walmart…)
Why did she have a problem with you not wearing a jacket? What am I missing here?
it was in the 40’s f (4-10 c) and it was still winter. Spring in MN, that’s T-shirt weather. but boomer’s just can’t not treat middle-aged men like children.
You are truly evil… and this story was glorious, thanks for sharing it!:-P
You’re assuming these people believe we even send things to space. I had a serious ass conversation recently with my father’s roommate. Typical conspiracy theorist ding dong. Full on flat earther and everything. I asked him how he thinks GPS works if the earth was flat. He admitted he didn’t know but then when I started to explain how it works by pinging satellites we put up in space he cut me off and said space isn’t real. Like legitimately thinks space isn’t real. He on a separate occasion also complained that we didn’t need to wear masks during covid because we apparently make our own viruses in our bodies and viruses don’t spread between people.
These people don’t even understand how logic works. Let alone that people could be smarter than they are.
Tbh, it’s really your fault for choosing to interact with this person more than once.
yeah, god forbid you try to break down the echo chamber existing between parties for the benefit of public good.
Fuck you, be a good robot for the party and STICK ONLY WITH THE PEOPLE I DEMAND YOU TO STAY WITH.
I just want affordable healthcare
Unfortunately, the answer to that doesn’t lie in science but in politics.
But I took a course in college Called political Science. So what about that mister science man?
Ask the military industrial complex. Too much good applicable science and tech comes from space exploration.
Socializing your health care might destroy you guys, since there’s so many fatties, smokers, guns and people who ignore doctors. Sounds expensive.
Except that it is a proven fact that public health care costs less per capita than private, so actually it sounds less expensive. The people lobbying to keep it private are the only ones who stand to lose and their brainwashed army of sycophants can’t understand anything beyond the points they’ve been trained to parrot.
So I would love public healthcare but what’s the reason that public is cheaper
This came off snarkier than I intended I’m just curious
Plenty of information out there, they shouldn’t need to take the time to do that for you
Smokers?! Have you ever been to France? It’s like a trip back in time to 80s America, with a smoker on every street corner and an ash tray on every cafe patio table.
But surely you must understand how someone, having failed all of their classes and then dropped out of school altogether, understands complex matters better than the people who are brilliant, have international acclaim, and devoted like 5 decades of their lives to study that same thing?
Or you know, at least watched this 11-minute video?
And if you do, can you explain it to me? :-P So far all I have is “Might Makes Right”, but somehow that seems to be lacking something…
Elon musk is college educated and successful, please trust everything he says.
Well, I was going to argue against that, but then I remembered that he is rich - which I guess is the same thing as smart? - so… okay! :-P
My point was that being educated doesn’t necessarily make you smart or correct either. Being uneducated doesn’t necessarily make you stupid. I know plenty of well educated people who I wouldn’t ask for advice from. Basically: “Past performance is no guarantee of future results.”
Yes this is very true. IQ is not the same as EQ, and neither are quite the same as “wisdom”. The latter comes from evaluated experiences - as in, if you fail to learn from your own mistakes then you will simply get dumber as you age, whereas if you seek out knowledge & learning & evaluate the mistakes of others, then the trajectory of your life will make you SMARTER as you age (up to a point ofc).
Truthfully, the only way to spot a counterfeit is to know the real thing so extremely well that nobody can pull a fast one on you.
Speaking of, don’t forget: GWB (the 2nd Bush president) only graduated Yale b/c his father donated a massive amount of $$$$ to the school - his grades (that he had sealed but at some point got leaked) reveal that he flunked out on his own merits. So even “educated” does not mean “educated” if you catch my drift.
As far as a “guarantee” though… nothing is every truly guaranteed, so that might be asking too much. Still, it’s a good reminder to look at someone’s character - did someone get rich merely b/c of accidents, or b/c they truly deserved it. Though, do any of the recently rich truly deserve it? Bezos who won’t let workers pee (even pregnant mothers), Musk for taking a truly fantastic idea and turning into something that literally kills people, and Zuckerberg who… (shudder), just not even going to go there.
Getting a higher education is one thing, call me when he has published multiple peer-reviewed studies in any field and I just might take his opinions in said field to heart.
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People act like their mamas never told 'em to cover their damned mouths when they cough or sneeze. It’s the same damned thing, only masks work much better at keeping your filthy germs from infecting other people.
Common sense ain’t common, they say, and this anti-mask nonsense is just proof that it’s true.
But don’t you know? Having symptoms like “drier mouth,” “fogged glasses,” and “smelling your own breath” are much more dangerous than a virus that killed a million Americans at least.
What it really tells me it that the mouth breathers are crazier than we gave them credit for.
I am reasonably sure that a fair many conservatives feel that they are entitled to their biases and fallacies and the world must bend to these biases.
It’s deeper than that, they literally believe they can change objective reality by believing hard enough.
That’s why they excuse all of their bad acts, if they ignore it, it doesn’t exist to them.
Negative object permanence.
I think you are right. I believe it is somehow related their obsessive belief in their religion.
I am not saying that all religious people are bad. But, somehow, these people excuse their bad behaviour by quoting scriptures. There has to a correlation too.
No, their religion is a paper thin pretext. They don’t actually do anything the Bible says to do, and they do a FUCKTONNE of what the Bible explicitly prohibits.
And I’m so tired as a progressive Christian of these cuntservative evangelicals convincing all of the internet that any theist is a mouth foaming bigot.
Too bad they can’t make tulpas with that power
You can, and they’re useful, and tulpa is a stupid fucking name. There I said it.
The only thing about them is that they are really only useful for organizing parts of yourself that you are not consciously aware of. You can’t manifest a slenderman IRL but you can make a mind palace and vastly improve your memory, or go on spirit journeys and learn how to forgive.
It’s all in your head but that doesn’t make it any less real.
Currency and democracy are ideas made manifest, and all they are is shared ideas in our heads.
What’s the point of using my mind to create something internal? It would be better if I could just twist reality with a thought. Smh.
It’s complicated and if I fully explain it to you, it won’t work as well for you.
Google ‘mind palace’ and start playing with the practice. It’s really just a fun imagination game that can actually improve your memory drastically.
I’ll just look for a chaos magic grimoire at this point
Yeah ok but there’s a difference between being a chunibyo and wanting to organize your thinking.
Behold: what religion does to a person’s mind.
So they just deny space exploration. Easy.
I recently had some guy rattle off 10 stupid reasons why we never landed on the moon in a row. I have never heard a more clear example of the fallacy of verbosity. One of them was "We didn’t have automatic windshield wipers for cars in the 60’s so there is no way we had the technology to go to the moon. "
I swear to god his reasons were that stupid and he had a ton of them.
The Saturn V moon rocket first flew in 1967, first carried a crew in 1968 and flew the first moon landing in 1969.
Bernard Sadow patented the first suitcase with wheels in 1972.
Fossils, also fake
Step on Mars but not on snek.
Poindexter… not hard slang to get correct. Dumbasses.
Fuck off Pondexter
Giga 🤓
Well it doesnt help that studies post covid restrictions found many of said restrictions where ineffective. Masks tho we have good evidance they work at least.
As always, it’s better to recommend more strict restrictions when you don’t know if they’re effective and there’s an impact on public health. Hindsight is 20/20
I don’t know about other countries, but the on and off lockdowns in some countries proved to be ineffective. Many experts said it’s better to do lockdown in one go than it being staggered and having different levels of restrictions. But on the one hand, the totalitarian zero-COVID restriction like had happened in China is just as ineffictive.
Yep, the lockdown waves probably weren’t ideal for preventing viral spread, but we now know they were at least better than doing nothing.
Hopefully we learn for next time
Ship no go. Can you make it go?
It probably didn’t help that at the beginning they said the cloth didn’t help, then changed the messaging later on.
IIRC, that initial “don’t use surgical masks” statement was because hospitals were already facing shortages, and a rush on the supply would have caused massive widespread longstanding shortages. Basically, the hospitals needed disposable masks, so the CDC told people not to use disposable masks.
But it was also in that brief time period between surgical masks and reusable cloth masks. So the messaging was basically just “don’t use
disposablemasks” because the “disposable” part was implied because it’s all that was commonly available on the market. Plus cloth masks hadn’t been studied yet. So when cloth masks were proven to work and the CDC started recommending them, the naysayers fell back to that initial messaging from when the cloth masks were unavailable and unproven.that initial “don’t use surgical masks” statement was because hospitals were already facing shortages, and a rush on the supply would have caused massive widespread longstanding shortages. Basically, the hospitals needed disposable masks, so the CDC told people not to use disposable masks.
That makes it worse that they said/implied masks won’t protect you, not better. If CDC public health statements are driven by an intention to manipulate public behavior rather than disseminating the best available info about what is true, that means that those statements are unreliable and can’t be trusted, regardless of the good they are hoping to do by trading their long term credibility for temporarily adjusting purchasing habits.
Just because there was an explanation doesn’t magically make it acceptable to lie out your ass and give a HUGE boost to conspiracy nuts while one fucking helms the white house…
The way I recall it seeing thing unfold and not really following the political stuff at the time:
CDC said that cloth masks don’t stop viruses. You need a medical mask for that, but please don’t use those because hospitals need them. That was all true.
In other countries, notably South Korea, almost everyone wore masks, and the numbers showed their effectiveness.
So CDC realized that indeed, if everyone wears one, it greatly reduces transmission of the virus. It doesn’t have to be perfect to be efficient.
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Just a dumbass anti-masker. I didn’t see their response to me, maybe it was a bit too spicy lol
I only said that about 90% of people got COVID. Or something to that effect.
Wear a mask, get your shots, it doesn’t matter to me. From my observations it just didn’t seem to matter much, almost everyone ends up getting COVID eventually.
I really have no idea why this discussion was shut down Reddit style. I’m not advocating for anything.
It is weird that they just deleted it. All I got in my messages was that my comment was removed because “nuke.” Not sure what that’s supposed to mean…
Sorry for calling you a dumbass. You seen reasonable
It’s the Internet, everyone is a dumbass before a real conversation is had ;)
Reddit type mod action minus the outright ban as the cherry on top.
You know the important thing was to slow the spread right? So that not everyone has it at the same time completely overcrowding hospitals. Which still happened in some areas due to idiots
I think it would have been healthier for society to get it over with asap. We are still dealing with the fallout of shutting half of society down.
And yet social distancing was “obvious” because scientists said it u til they admitted they pretty much just made that distance up.
That’s why there’s an Appeal from Authority fallacy… But you just keep on trusting what ever they say with out questioning it.
You do realize that social distancing does have a body of work around it and was used to mitigate the 1918 pandemic…
Of course they don’t. This is the person the meme is about that you’re taking to.
They “made up” the arbitrary distance of 6 feet, not the entire concept of distance making it harder for germs to spread… What the hell failure of logic is that?! Some viruses can stay potent in air much better than others and they weren’t CONFIDANT that 6 feet would be adequate or overkill. It was an educated guess for COVID specifically, not an ass pulling.
It wasnt an educated guess it was just around 2 meters and felt good. I am not saying worked or not, but there was no science behind the number.
There is a vast difference between doing something that is proven to be generally helpful before you know if it is specifically helpful, and making up an idea.
The fact you cannot understand that vast gulf of difference is frankly hilarious.
They had no idea if it would work or not and had no reason to believe either way. Do you believe in checking hypothesis?
Do you think they didn’t or don’t continue with the new variants as budgets allow? Your ignorance is made more pathetic by your obstinance.
“no science behind the number.”
i uhm. Are you aware of this thing, a very little, minor thing, called dispersion? Dilution? etc…
Yes, but that number was not related to what might work or not , it was just a number they liked based on no science.
have you ever heard of this thing called the inverse square law? It applies to a large number of things, and while im not sure about the dissipation of molecules in a gas, im sure there is something very similar. Which would quite literally dictate the level of dispersion, or “average dilution of molecules from a source, from any given arbitrary distance” 6 feet just so happened to be enough that it was small enough to be minorly inconveniencing, and majorly helpful in reducing the significant spread of particles.
Since you seem to know so much about this gas dispersion thing, why don’t you specifically explain to me, what it is that is involved here, and how this number is literally pulled out of someones ass, and how it’s not based on any science. And i will ignore the fact that you don’t seem to understand how science works, or how much of engineering was practiced through the pre-computer age. Nor the fact that you can’t provide anything more than “NUH UH” in response to my questions.
And since im here, why dont you explain to me what might or not work in specific terms. Such that i can have any idea of what the ever living fuck you are talking about.
So you don’t think masks work?
Did I say that? Because I didn’t, but if you want to put words in my mouth you’re more than welcome to have a conversation with yourself at that rate.
It’s “appeal TO authority, genius.
Are we really still pretending the mask I got from the front bin of Home Depot actually works?
Can we look at the other claims the government “scientists” claimed to see how they were not real scientists?
What? Yes? Home Depot sells N95 masks. Protection is why they exist.
Are we really pretending this metal saw blade I got from the front bin of Home Depot actually cuts things? I’m skeptical.
Most people didnt use N95 masks, they used random cloth ones and the surgical looking ones. The N95 masks are actually really good for dust, I use them all the time.
Are we really still pretending the mask I got from the front bin of Home Depot actually works?
Are we still pretending <100% effectiveness = worthless? (Just kidding, I know folks are.)
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449
The issue here is that people pretended masks were very affective, and I have not seen any actual data that they were very useful. I have seen a lot of memes like the one above that pretend they were essential when the only data I ever recall seeing was they were overall 4% useful, by a pro-mask source. And if you look around there are lots of sources that said they did nothing, I dont know which is true, but lack of solid evidence seems to point to it was pointless.
Do you think masks should have been mandated indoors if they had a 4% impact? How about 0.1%?
Twentyish studies are sourced at the bottom of the article I linked, and it details the effectiveness of each mask type in the body of the article. Why we are discussing mandates now I don’t know, feels like a bit of the ol’ goalposts on wheels to me, it’s not what I replied to.
I think this is the most important part of the article “Yes. When used with measures such as getting vaccinated, hand-washing and physical distancing, wearing a face mask slows how quickly the virus that causes COVID-19 spreads.” It essentially says do all the things and it will be impactful.
At what level of impact do you think masks should have been forced on people?
I’m not going to re-litigate mask mandates with you. I’m sure you’ll find someone happy to have that argument. You can keep moving those goalposts, but I’m not following.
That was really the big question back in the day, and when I see spotty evidence at best for mandating something that really is the key question.
The cheap, dumpy masks are still going to somewhat reduce your intake of particles and significantly reduce your output, which is their main point.
Thats great, but did they actually prevent spread is the question to ask. We can start out with the hypothesis that they do work, then we need to actually confirm if that is true.
here. just the first two research results for a simple google search “did masks work research.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10446908/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8499874/
i mean… you could look into it? know that it’s difficult to set up an ideal study during a pandemic.
edit - also, it’s hard to take you seriously in this debate when you aren’t bothering to ACTUALLY LOOK AT SOME RESEARCH yourself. but i see you making lots of comments making a show of concern.
edit: off topic, nevermind.
Even the guy he was replying to said nothing about mandates. I’d argue that’s a related but different topic.
you are probably right. I’ll see myself out.
Well I wouldn’t have said you needed to delete the comment, I just didn’t want the antimasker taking support from it when it was dubiously related. 🙂
From all that I have seen and heard its at best split or the impact is so small that it is not noticeable. I think most of the ones that say it worked involved healthcare setting where trained people used good masks, not me at home depot with a mask from a box.
What I can say is that during the “mask years”, I seriously never got a cold, flu, or Covid. I usually get a cold at least once or twice a year. I think it’s still been a while since I’ve had one. My sister actually just got Covid about 2 weeks ago, I wore a mask around her for a few days and never caight it, tho I had a booster 6 months before, and she was about a year out. I took 3 home tests over 5 days and they were all negative.
Cool, I dont really know how this relates to the overall effectiveness of masks. I am going to guess that you were very cautious and took all kinds of precautions.
and significantly reduce your output,
damn i uh. Yup i read that statement.
Ok im going to go jerk off to furry porn or something immensely more productive than what i just spent time doing.
Just out of curiosity, what is a real scientist?
The one that aligns with and confirms your personal bias; as all real science works.
Someone that takes in data and comes to a data driven conclusion, not an ideological driven solution.
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