“sharpen our focus and improve the way we work together to bring more agility to our organization.”
Ahh yes, watching co-workers get laid off does wonders for improving the way you work together with the people still there.
It does make you work harder… at finding some other job:-P.
Not exactly a stellar market to be looking in. Chances are that you’ll be trading down, especially if you’re in some level of big tech, like Discord arguably is.
Right? Sharpening focus and working together have zero to do with how many people you employ.
This was about profits. It’s always about profits.
Trauma bonding exercise!
“The beatings will continue until morale improves!”
But no execs, I assume.
The execs I know yell at people. They somehow get rewarded for having temper tantrums.
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It’s not like the management has let people, who still work there, add or fix anything. It’s been nothing but Nitro promos, and animated profiles. Huge shame that people got laid off like this
To be clear, I’m not defeneding this pratice but explaining it. This cycle is how large businesses operate to foster growth over time.
- Lay off people to tell stock holders they are becoming more efficient.
- wait
- Hiring spree, announce new features, new directions, hype hype hype
- wait
- Lay offs! Trimming overhead! Streamlining! Much efficency! Good business!
- wait
- Hyyyyyyype! Discord announces a plan to replace iMessage, Email and the entire concept of texting! Triples their staff! Such hype!
Rinse, repeat
It’s horrific for the employees and a scathing indictment as capitalism as a whole. But, this is how large businesses work, not nessecarily a massive corporate slip up.
Here is a lawyer explaining the “dance steps” that the game industries is doing as of late.
That may have been true during the lavish times of ZIRP, but I wouldn’t expect to see this dance any longer, at least until money is cheap/free again.
Money is always cheap for capitalists. Even the hardest of times is only hard for people without money.
This shows a complete misunderstanding of cheap money
UNIONIZE
Damn, this was very insightful. Thx for sharing!!! 😁
Unity, Google, Discord. All within a day or two of each other.
For every number of employees laid off, a VP level employee must be fired. Those employees didn’t hire themselves. Someone came up with the idea.
If companies don’t do this they’re not attacking the root of the problem.
They coordinate to create a glut and push all their wages down. Computer touching wagies and so socially stunted they’ll never form effective union. If they did, they would jusy defect out of greed.
Computer touching wagies and so socially stunted they’ll never form effective union.
The industry is so niche, the technology is so heavily customized, and the people so idiosyncratic that I think forming a union shouldn’t be that hard. The real dampener is that the pay for these jobs is always far above the median. Five years of experience and you’re reaching towards six figures. Ten years and you’re well over the line. And in Silicon Valley, the sky is the limit. A master’s or phd in your field means you’re looking at $200k, $300k, $400k…
If there’s a big drop in wages (and considering the real estate prices in the neighborhoods where these businesses exist) something’s got to give. Maybe you get unions. Maybe you just get a bunch of businesses collapsing on themselves Twitter-style and forcing people back into the “indie company-in-my-garage” model. Maybe everyone becomes contractors.
But this isn’t sustainable in any serious sense.
and considering the real estate prices in the neighborhoods where these businesses exist) something’s got to give. M
I work in aerospace, we got unions back in the 70s and never let them go. For what the job actually is, it pays pretty good.
Aerospace pay is good, but it used to be a whole lot better. The salaries definitely haven’t kept up with executive pay, even if they’re multiples of the regional average. I’ve got a friend who went into aerospace and bemoans how he’s living solidly middle class in a field that used to put you squarely into the top 5% income bracket. Funny to see someone complain about earning a quarter million a year, but when buying a starter home costs twice that…
Oh I make 3 times less than that. But I slack off in a proportionnal manner !
Plenty of slackers in the aerospace industry. Don’t let that hold you back.
I will be the slackiest of them all !
Also twitch. Yuck…
Probably some great devs on the market for anyone hiring though.
Yeah, no
All devs must go through at least a year of unemployment according to these mofos
Year end business review
Bold of you to think that the VP level employees don’t get big raises in exchange for laying empoyees off.
I think it’s an unfair and naive assumption to think VPs all keep their jobs. I’ve seen some pretty nasty game of thrones plays by executive leadership during layoffs due to consolidation of teams and remits. Someone might get a bonus that doesn’t deserve it, but someone is going to get let go at a high level (albeit with a generous severance not offered to the rest of the employees).
Also, when new senior leadership comes in, it’s not uncommon for them to let heads roll at the leadership level to fill out the team with folks they know or trust. I’m not shedding a tear about where those folks will go on to find similar employment, but I think there’s a misconception about how safe those positions actually are.
I guess I’m jaded because I’ve seen far too many times where it’s the worker bees, the people who actually put the work in and get things done, getting the sharp end of the stick. I would be surprised if the 17% of employees Discord laid off actually included VPs.
I hear you. You are going to see a lot more worker bees than VPs laid off in part because there’s a lot more worker bees than VPs.
per https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/discord-layoffs-citron-overhiring-gaming-18603308.php
The notice, required when companies perform mass layoffs, said the employees would officially leave Discord on Feb. 2. Dozens of engineers are among the casualties, as are several trust and safety employees, product managers and data scientists, according to the notice.
Depending on how the structure is laid out and what product areas were cut, I’m guessing up to the director level would be impacted.
That will cause some discord
Tech CEOs: we need better numbers. Fire a bunch of people! Ahh there we go. Now we’re flush with cash. Well, my work here is done.
And gut the r&d budget. That’s future CEO’s problem.
Now where’s my golden parachute?
The Jack Welsh way…
That guy is literally, not figuratively, responsible for most of the shitty things that companies do now.
So the nitro subscription is gonna up to increase profits?
They’re going to dedicate their entire next year’s budget to introduce a new kind of emoji, though.
Gotta have all the new DLC/cosmetic stuff.
🫄
Discord went the way of Skype, it’s just a bloated fustercluck now. I don’t use it often, just once a month or so to keep up with a group of old friends, and every time I fire it up it has a new update bringing features I don’t give a rats ass about.
A wave of enshittification has struck Discord
Sorry to say it, but it has always sucked.
Nah. What sucked was having to type in IP addresses just to talk on voice.
Absolutely. For some crazy-ass reason my job transitioned away from Teams (I get it) and Slack and to Discord.
Discord is garbage for this type of work environment. Maybe it works for some? But it just doesn’t make sense.
My company has been using Discord for work and at first I was excited to try it (coming from Slack companies), but I had to realize that it’s very unfit for work. The only thing that’s better is the visibility of threads. We are moving to Slack now, thankfully.
lmao.
Discord is surely very good for work-related trade secretsI used Discord for work and it was great for voice channels. We used slack for channels where we needed to share text and images, worked quite well. Main problem was that many people at the company were not really from the internet in the sense that they had no Discord etiquette whatsoever.
My stress levels skyrocket whenever I’m using Discord. The quality of the voice is nice but having to constantly reconfigure the settings to make it work fine and the unintuitive UI stresses me out.
I have basically disabled all input settings in the app and configure the input before it reaches Discord for consistency. Still it sometimes messes up things amazingly.
Yeah I use the Steelseries sonar stuff because that makes it so that inputs never change. When my headset turns off it redirects the output to my speakers and when I turn the headset back on, it goes back to it. Virtual audio devices are very nice in general lol.
Right after they ruined the app’s UI?
Still holding out for them to have a $10 a year tier with no added features. The $36 bucks a year entry fee is just too much.
Can someone here explain to me why so many free services directly jump to $3, $5 or $9.99 bucks a month? Why not $10 per year? Surely that’s better than nothing?
Just call it supporter tier and that’s it. I don’t want any icons or upload limits either. I just want to not feel like a leech. ;)
If a free tier is offered, why would you be a leech? It’s calculated in their business and free users indirectly bring revenue (the more free users they have, the more they can convert). This concept of being a leech is so alien to me.
Probably because of torrenting I would imagine. Being a leech is kind of a dick move if you’re able to seed.
This has nothing to do with torrenting apart from a similar sounding word.
What’s really an insult are ad-based tiers from streaming services where they make money from both you and people advertising to you.
It has been shown to be more profitable than higher priced ad-free tiers.
I’m bracing for a near future where premium “ad-free” goes away entirely and you have the choice between lots of ads for free and less ads for money.
I dont understand it either. I would happily donate to signal yearly like 10-15€, but 5 every month? No, thats just too much sorry.
Small company: yeah, we hired too many people, need to let go of 170.
People: such huge cuts, not touching them anymore
Large company: we’re laying off the entire staff of pre-Elon Twitter worth of employees in this one department because they didn’t make us enough money.
People: good, your product sucked anyways
I mean, I wouldn’t exactly call a company with 1000 employees “small”. It’s not the behemoth that something like Google is, but like… that’s a good chunk of people.
In this thread: Fuck Discord! Fuck capitalism! No company should lay off 170 people.
In other thread: Fuck Boeing! Fuck capitalism! The company should die along with all 150,000 jobs occupied by their employees.
Consistency is the hobgoblin of mindless something… something…
Capitalism!
It fucking sucks!
