Oppenheimer and the resurgence of Blu-ray and DVDs: How to stop your films and music from disappearing::In an era where many films and albums are stored in the cloud, “streaming anxiety” is making people buy more DVDs, records – and even cassette tapes.

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    Buy the box set, rip it to .mkv, drop in Plex, rinse and repeat.

    Oh, wait, this isn’t c/piracy?

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      This is not only a good way to handle media, it’s one of the best.

      It blows my goddamn mind that TV manufacturers didn’t develop a streaming portal “endpoint” player and band together to require content from Netflix/Hulu/etc meet that standard for delivery. It’s made TVs just app boxes.

      Can you just imagine being able to see what is available on all services from one interface, all at once, and then start a stream of it seamlessly from whichever you movie profile page you have access to?

      Instead we have half-assed lookup apps in some TVs that even when they find it a film then just launch a separate app.

      Build a good Plex library and never look back. Buy Blurays and DVDs and lookup how to automate good handbrake encoding. Once you know how, you can honest to god automate most of it, and in my case, I have it auto-launch and rip any disc if it detects a Blu-ray film or DVD film and drop the resulting file in my NAS storage to be sorted. Blurays drives are cheap too now, so you can buy 2-3 and dump a whole library in just a few days.

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        Apple TV has that single place, but Netflix doesn’t want to use it and now Amazon and a bunch of other streaming services sell “channels” which they pollute the results with content you can’t watch despite paying for the service.

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          Apple TV has that single place, but Netflix doesn’t want to use it

          Also, Netflix has the worst UI/UX on AppleTV boxes. The experience is vastly different and better on a Sony or Microsoft device in the Netflix software. It’s pretty odd imho.

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            What , specifically, do you find irksome on the Netflix ATV interface?

            Only thing I dislike is the snippet/trailer autoplay. Everything else, works well for me.

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              First off, and mainly UX based, different feature sets. For example the way Netflix feeds ‘New and Upcoming’ items, notifications for those items, etc.

              I do understand that AppleTV has just recently really solidified their decisions on how they want their controller/remote to work so that may be a factor in designing the software for the navigation across all legacy AppleTV devices. The control schemes on consoles and other media boxes have been a constant for years and years now which probably benefited the look and feel of the flavor of the app on ATV.

              This same issue generally happens across other media streaming services. For instance, the Disney app; even slight FFWD is abominable. It’s just pickiness, however I’ll still switch over to the Roku or a console to watch anything on Disney+.

              /tome

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          Although the controls on the second and third gen Apple TV are absolute hell I’ve always liked the fact that Netflix had a native look and feel on them. It actually makes be fairly annoyed when an app has a separate non-native UI.

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            It’s because Apple provides a very easy to integrate with SDK. A lot of apps I use have the same native UI, like YouTube and Plex, because of this.

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        Can you just imagine being able to see what is available on all services from one interface, all at once, and then start a stream of it seamlessly from whichever you movie profile page you have access to?

        You see the utopian version of this with UI navigation perfection. I see what would likely have come of out such a collaboration being a screen 75% full of ads with user telemetry vacuumed up by hundreds of companies I can’t opt-out of that would have access to all my viewing data because they’re part of the collaboration.

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        Can you just imagine being able to see what is available on all services from one interface, all at once, and then start a stream of it seamlessly from whichever you movie profile page you have access to?

        When I was little, we used to have a box plugged into the CRT TVs of the time that, when connected to a network, would allow you access to something similar to what you’re saying. Typically, you’d be able to open an electronic program guide to see a menu that displayed all the different services that you’re subscribed to and be able to switch between streams seamlessly. Granted, the biggest difference is that the individual service providers had a set schedule as to what was streaming at the time, so if you missed content scheduled at a certain time, you’d hope they’d rebroadcast it at some point.

        Maybe we could have something similar, but with the ability to pick anything from each individual service providers’ library on demand?

        Although there was a problem with this system, but I don’t really remember what it was. The service providers banded together and started raising prices, I think? But, then again, aren’t they doing something similar now?

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      It’s odd to me that there are places that would consider that piracy

      In my country (the Netherlands), to my knowledge, you have the right to do whatever you like with your copy of a movie as long as you don’t distribute it.
      That includes ripping it, and putting the mkv on your personal server. That is precisely what the home-copy tax is for afterall…

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        Australia: If you do that for interoperability (in this case you want it accessible from your library) it’s legal.

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        I am Mexican and at this point I think I have more pirated stuff than purchased, in a nutshell, I know my shit and what OP said ain’t piracy whatsoever.

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        It’s that way in the US too.

        Copying isn’t piracy, it’s fair-use.

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      I either claim the digital copy with the disc or I just pirate a copy because it’s less hassle than ripping lol.

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      Something something synology. Rent a disc, rip and repeat.

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    Anyone who thinks physical media on disc is a good way to preserve a work in perpetuity has never heard of disc rot.

    Rip it, store it digitally, make periodic backups. Or obtain the IMAX film reel and keep it hermetically sealed for decades.

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      But don’t you know. They put a do not copy sticker on the disc. That means that you super Dooper can’t copy this disc or you’ll be in trouble.

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        This is what I’m currently building.

        Crashplan used to have a backup-to-friend option. Guess it wasn’t selling their backup so they canceled it.

        I’m working on the same thing using mini or micro pc with enough space inside for perhaps 4 SSD’s. (Trying to keep power consumption down).

        Running UnRAID, using the Tailscale plugin, everyone will be able to connect to each other, anywhere, over my Tailscale net.

        Setup quotas, define how to backup stuff (e.g. Phone photos, etc), and it’s your own Personal Crashplan in a box.

        Can also run PiHole in unRAID. So now you have DHCP/DNS, ad-blocking too. Now I just need enough horsepower to run Jellyfin on the box…

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      To build on this: DO NOT USE AN SSD to store your data long-term! Solid-state storage has a very short, finite life-span. What you want to do is buy an even number of hard drives, plug them in long enough to copy your data to, and then unplug them and store them in a climate-controlled area. bout once a year, copy the data to a different hard drive, rinse, and repeat. Left untouched long enough, a hard drive will experience data rot. Used constantly, a hard drive will wear out. Used very sporadically, you preserve the data and the mechanical parts of the hard drive.

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        Even better, have a NAS with a raid array and data scrubbing for your primary storage, and periodically make backups to off-site storage (an off-site NAS or external hard drive are good options that don’t rely on commercial cloud services).

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        Yea, I wouldn’t rely on HD on a shelf. Source: I’ve had hundreds of hard drives over the years. Some that are 1 year old and dead, after sitting on a shelf. Some are 20 years old and still work (kind of a test at this point to see how long they’ll still spin up).

        There’s a reason 3-3-3 backup is the guideline. From my own experience, you need data on no less than 3 different storages, not including the production data.

        I’ve had situations where 2 of my Backups didn’t work for some reason, either media failed, or data wasn’t backed up though it was supposed to be, etc. That 3rd has saved me many times.

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          I’m pretty sure that I’ve got a failing E: drive in my home computer; I’m not even sure how long I’ve had it. Def. time to back everything up again. Pity I don’t have a NAS at home…

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          SD cards are far worse than hard drives or SSDs for long term storage. They are useful for temporary mobile data storage and transit, but anything you want to keep long term should be transferred off relatively quickly.

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    Bullshit. Piracy is the only thing preserving it. Why? Because as a PC user 4k HDR Blu-Rays are forbidden for me anyways to play legally despite owning them.

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      What are you on about? In the US at least, there’s no legal restriction on you playing 4K Blu-Ray movies on a PC.

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        The drive is not the issue.

        Most Blu-Ray disks have DRM encryption. There simply doesn’t seem to be a (legal) decryption mechanism on PC, probably to avoid people ripping the movies.

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          I was under the impression that software like PowerDVD could play 4K HDR media if you’re using Windows.

          And at the end of the day, it is also (generally accepted as ‘probably’) legal to decrypt the media using whatever other methods available as long as you are only doing so to back up or enable viewing for yourself.

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          I have a Blu-Ray drive myself, which can read 4K discs format wise. But the DRM industry forbids me from playback. There is no software playing it back in 4K HDR format, unless I crack the disc.

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            In my country (Australia) you’re allowed to break the DRM for interoperability purposes. We could legally use deCSS, back when DVDs were state of the art, if we wanted to play them on our Linux computers

            I don’t think blue ray is nearly as easy to break I just double checked. Not quite “super easy, barely an inconvenience” but quite do-able

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              This doesn’t apply to every country and some of the laws have to be stretched. I interpret this industry boycott of an entire platform as an abandonware situation. You don’t give me the opportunity to make a deal in the first place.

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                Yeah it sucks if your government just rolled over when asked for strictest copyright.

                I’m pretty sure VCRs and tape backup got it legal in the US to move media you have right to watch between media

                Australia got its law on circumvention through American diplomatic pressure, we refused leaving out the interoperability clause. Others under the same pressure didn’t push back

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      I’ve run into a similar issue, I built a media PC for my living room which includes a 4K compatible Blu-ray drive. After spending an hour trying to flash it’s BIOS in Linux, realizing Windows would take 2 minutes to do the same task, then finally testing a disk, I find that DRM ruins that. All my 4K disks will not play because it’s a crapshoot if they do play. It will rip them no problem, but not play.

      I could fix this by using Windows, however I don’t want windows on this system, it works quickly and with no annoyances in Linux.

      So now I have to resort back to the PS5 as my player until I figure something out.

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      Nah. I’m sure there are multiple factors, as mentioned in the article, but another big thing preserving physical media is home theater enthusiasts. With a good system, the higher bitrate video and lossless audio on a UHD Blu-ray is noticable compared to most streamed content.

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      Buy an Xbox One Series X, or PS5. Heck, there are even stand alone 4K players.

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    !!WARNING!!

    There is still DRM on DVDs and Blu-rays. Don’t think everything is perfect because you have the physical media. You still only have a license to play it.

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        Did you need a specific blu ray drive for that? I thought about trying to backup my disc but the drives to do it are like a couple hundred bucks each… Little bit steep for me.

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          My set up is a $70 Blu-ray drive and a $50 software (but it’s free if you use the beta)

          As far as I know, it’s compatible with all Blu-ray drives, just google MakeMKV

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              After reviewing your link, my existing bluray drive happens to be on the list. But I didn’t do any flashing or anything along those lines. I just downloaded the software at it worked and so I paid for it.

              I have the LG WH16NS40 for your reference

              edit: checking out the FAQ on the site, looks like for 4k blurays it is recommended to flash the firmware, I only have 1 4k bluray (I don’t have a 4k TV) and it seemed to rip fine but I used handbrake to downscale it to 1080p to save space since I don’t have a 4k television

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                Hey good to know, thanks for going out of your way to check your model number and post how it went. That helps a ton to know you don’t necessarily have to flash. Might give it a go if I can find a reasonably priced drive, much appreciated!

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      It’s way easier to break. And even ignoring that, for these technologies at least, as long as you keep/find a working player, it’s fine-ish. You can still do backup/duplicate too. As far as conservation is concerned, physical media gives these options.

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    Well, they can’t make your content disappear if you download copies of it to your own computer or server.

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      I’ve always just gotten moving, watched them, and then usually just delete them to make room for more. Lately I’ve been thinking about just upgrading my storage, and making sure to have copies of a lot of my favorite movies and TV shows. I don’t rewatch things much anymore, now that there’s so many new things always coming out. But I like to every now and then.

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    Since Oppenheimer was such a success, can we please get a high-budget Feynman film already? The guy was far more interesting and cooler and just generally more of a badass than Oppenheimer. And he fucked a lot more than Oppenheimer.

    All we’ve gotten is Infinity which… it was okay, but come on. The guy got bored at Los Alamos and decided to learn how to safecrack. In the middle of the Manhattan Project. Because he was fucking bored.

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      I’ve read Feynman’s autoanecdotal (It’s not quite an autobiography?) book, Surely You’re Joking, Mr. Feynman…and he makes himself sound like an idiot. It’s basically a book about what he did in his spare time; he deliberately avoids his science work and just talks about his hobbies and passtimes. And it’s hundreds of pages of shit that sounds like this:

      I went to the bar. To look at all the girls. And there was this music playing. It sounded great! So I went over to the guys who were playing the music. I said “Hey that sounds great! What is it?” And they said it’s African Jazz. And I asked if I could play. They said sure. They gave me a little drum. They said it was a froingoboingo drum. You hit it with your fingers. They started playing, and I started hitting the drum. It was great! I played with them all night. I joined an African Jazz club. We played all the time. Until one time we went to this other place to play, and there was a guy there who didn’t like that I was playing the drum. So I never played the drum again.

      It’s like he leans SO hard on being a straightforward guy that he tips over and lands in safety pencils and circle of paper territory.

      From the book, “learning to safecrack” might be a bit of a stretch. The way I read it…Los Alamos was supposed to be like, the ultimate in secure locations, because Manhattan Project, right? Except they kept the most secret documents in the world in ordinary filing cabinets. The kind that don’t have backs so you can just slide the thing away from the wall and pull the documents out. Or pointed out that people invariably left combination locks still pointing at the last digit of the combination. He didn’t really get to the point of using The Tool That Bosnian Bill And I Made.

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      I buy lots of cassette tapes on bandcamp (thousands by now) and also download lossless digital for the archive. Streaming sucks and I like to support artists, so piracy is out (for music only, I’m not buying video content).

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    I know it’s not the point of the article but I need to express my annoyance at the fact that Christopher Nolan is encouraging dvd/bluray purchase so much. He explicitly designs shitty sound in his films supposedly to make them sound better for the theater (i question his success in that effort) and then doesn’t adjust it for the bluray. So even then at home you have to adjust the sound up and down to hear the dialogue while not getting your eardrums blasted out by the action sequences.

    Ok rant over. Otherwise I agree wholeheartedly, don’t trust streaming services to keep your movies for you. Bluray is the way.

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      I’m convinced that it’s not actually any better in theaters, we’re just a lot more willing to bear painfully loud audio in a setting where it’s considered normal. There’s an argument to be made that it’s similar to concerts, but for my money I’d like to not have to wear ear protection in a theater just because some director figured minor hearing hearing damage is worth an especially “epic” crescendo.

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      Wish he would just provide different mixes on the disk. You know, one mix for normal people, and one mix for Nolan’s personal theater where he can benefit from a theater mix on a blu-ray.

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      It’s not better in theatres, just louder. I actually had my hands over my ears in some scenes of Oppenheimer

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      Worse, he doesn’t care if the sound overwhelms the dialog.

      That he focuses on sound quality for the theatre is could be argued as understandable. But fucking over the dialog? Yea, fuck him

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          Tickets are $25/person where you are? Or it’s “hard not to” buy snacks?

          I agree that blu-ray is the better way to go either way though.

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            $21, but yeah. I have no problem skipping the popcorn, but it’s not entirely up to me. ;)

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        My last movie experience was $200.

        Tickets were $25 each.

        But it was at Alamo, with drinks.

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      I spend $20/month to see as many movies as I want at the theater. Last month I saw 6 movies, 9 in November, and expecting 6 this month.

      The theater isn’t a bad deal with these unlimited subscriptions. In fact it’s the most bang for my buck entertainment option I have these days.

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    No one in their right mind that knows better has ever stored anything they truly cared to keep in the cloud only. Cloud storage like Google Drive or via streaming services where you can “buy” licenses. Maybe this will be a sign that the average person is catching on to the grift.

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      Yup. “Buying” a movie online is a grift, since all you’re actually doing is buying a license to stream as long as they decide they want to host it. Companies can, and have, removed movies people have bought because of things like studio distribution agreements expiring.

      My dream would be for UHD Blu-ray quality (or better) DRM-free digital movie purchases, much like you already can with high res music. But until that becomes a thing, I’ll be buying a physical copy of any movies or shows that I want to own (rather than rent).

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    I love DVD extras like ‘The Making Of…’ documentaries and creator interviews/commentaries.

    There’s a special edition of ‘Buckaroo Banzai’ with an on screen commentary that’s fantastic. I found out that the briefcase Buckaroo carries with him into Dimension 8 had a tuna fish salad sandwich and Eintein’s brain.

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        Since you’re a connoisseur of niche entertainment, here are a few suggestions for obscure creators.

        Tanith Lee, author. Neil Gaiman stole most of his best stuff from her. In Night’s Master the hero is Satan, and in Death’s Master, the protagonist is Death.

        Ross Thomas, author. Washington reporter turned novelist, his books almost always focus on dirty politics. ‘The Porkchoppers’ is about a Union election back in the Nixon Era and ‘Briarpatch’ makes the small city it’s set in a major character.

        Russ Meyer, movie maker. ‘Faster Pussycat! Kill! Kill!’ The title of the movie is the most subtle thing in it.

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          I’d also suggest the DVD of “Blood Simple”, but not for the reason you might think… Yeah, yeah Coen Brothers, tight crime drama, etc. etc.

          The Coen Brothers apparently don’t care for DVD extras, so they wrote the commentary track as a parody of film snob commentary tracks, and hired an actor to read it.

          It’s absolutely hilarious, and on a super serious film.

          https://jasondeanbooks.blogspot.com/2016/07/the-greatest-dvd-commentaries-ever-in_21.html?m=1

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            11 months ago

            There’s a line in ‘Tropic Thunder’ where RDJ’s character says he never breaks character until they record the DVD commentary. In the DVD commentary he’s still doing the Fred Williamson voice.

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    11 months ago

    In any reasonable society we would have actual ownership rights over the digital media that we buy and we wouldn’t be beholden to fickle services or the inevitable decay of matter.

    DRM-free copies, when properly backed up, are more secure than physical media. I have ripped MP3s from music CDs that already stopped working.