or even pseudo-incriminated for attempting to maintain our own life.
It seems so stupid that I’m like a suspect for wanting an exchange of information without dropping my pants and bending over. No, I don’t want cookies. Yes I want to read the article but no, I don’t want to “sign up.”
It makes me feel like being a f*cking hermit. But I prefer to pirate. Even though I’m not that good at it. Screw them. I got two private trackers, a VPN, and I hope that’s enough.
It seems so strange to me that everyone buys the bullshit that personal data is worth very little.
The data brokerage industry is a multi-trillion dollar industry. Yet, there are only ~8 billion people in the world, many of whom don’t have internet access or have very little data being traded. Thus it’s reasonably safe to assume that an average regular internet user’s data is worth somewhere in the region of $1,000 per year.
These companies don’t do anything with the data. We create the data, they collect it and sell it, then whoever buys it is the one that actually makes something from it. If we allow the brokers a very generous profit margin, they are still stealing $500-700 from every one of us, every year.
ChatGPT, summarize this for me like I’m a geriatric politician.
Personal data worth a lot. 8 billion humans exist. Industry is multi trillion of profit. Even at only a single trillion that’s 1000 dollars per person a year. It’s way more than 1000.
Wait is this account a bot that can be summoned with the magic incantation chatgpt?
Nah I’m a demon that can be summoned with the incantation of “Cat gee, be tea”
Money good, gimme gimme.
Haha this made me chuckle. Thanks :)
That’s including showing the ads. The data itself isn’t worth that much unless people are viewing them.
As far as I’m aware the valuation is just data brokering - ie, the people collecting data from apps and selling to advertisers.
Then I don’t believe it, Google makes about 200B in advertising revenue a year, serving about a quarter of the internet ads.
Advertising online is not even a trillion dollar market, how can just the data be bigger? Maybe if you count it being sold resold ten times
I’ve finally run some actual numbers, after finding a source for the data brokerage industry value (much lower, $319 billion in 2021). The link to your instance’s version is here: https://lemmy.world/post/10892972
TL;DR my conservative estimate is that every user is owed roughly $40 per year - but this doesn’t include Google or other businesses who keep and exploit proprietary datasets, rather than selling the raw data.
The efficacy of advertising is sold primarily by advertisers. It’s possibly worth a vanishing fraction of what these ghouls say it’s worth. But so long as buying it and acting like a greedy invasive bastard is more profitable than ignoring it, even by a tiny margin, corporate giants will keep doing it, since the cost to them is a rounding error.
The industry enabling this is large because they get to sell the same garbage to so many bastards.
Data is worth more than gold, and much easier to mine.
If you’re online. You need to assume that your data is being used without your permission whether you like it or not. Nothing is going to change. Look at the hordes of brain dead idiots who use tiktok
Nothing is going to change.
That’s the wrong attitude to have. It can change, and arguably it will change once a critical mass of people realise the value being stolen from them.
You can’t build a car without paying for the nuts and bolts. The people who make nuts and bolts don’t know how to build a car, but they’re still paid a fair value based on the fact their product can be used in cars.
We don’t know how to do anything with our data, but we should be paid based on the value derived from it by those that do.
This problem affects everyone, including the people who make laws. It is entirely feasible that we can get enough people on side to change things and make it more fair. Incumbent businesses won’t like that, because it will reduce their profits (100% down to 30%), but what they’re doing now is absolutely wrong. They’d still be taking the piss at 30%, but at least that’s more in line with other industries.
That critical mass will never come because people don’t feel the data has been stolen from them.
Rather, it’s traded in exchange for whatever online services they use.
And to them it’s a decent trade.
But that’s the thing, that isn’t what’s happening. The website is provided free of charge.
Then, the website tries to shoehorn in another, separate transaction and hide it in the fine print, where you give up your data free of charge.
There is a huge amount of deception involved. The whole point of my comment here is to try and dispel that deception, by putting hard numbers to it to show that there is significant value being taken.
I don’t want their money. I just want them to leave me alone. Now, the politicians? They would love their money. And I’m sure big tech lobbyists are already giving them some
That would be nice, I agree. However, like you say, the data is already being used, and it’s much harder to put the cat back in the bag. Rather than trying to do so and ban all data collection, it’s much more practicable to embrace it but ensure that people are at least fairly compensated.
I remember the Internet in the early to late 90s. What a magical time it was. I’ve said for years now that giant corporations are going to basically buy out the Internet and pidgin hole you into using their services. They’ve basically accomplished that goal.
What’s more crazy is that the very ISPs that track all of our information and sell to the highest better are the same ones sending us letters and emails when we use torrents that they’ll shut off our services if we continue to pirate movies and music.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
They have to break the law to make sure that you aren’t “breaking the law”.
You see, the paperclip maximizer is real. Only, it isn’t paperclips. We are being compressed into currency.
How do you get “good” private trackers man. Either they’re all empty or just seem impossible to get into
Open signups happen frequently but you have to be quick to catch them
Opentrackers.org and r/opensignups (or r/trackersignups) are good to check once in a while
MyAnonaMouse has open applications twice a week and the test is very easy
maaan, I have to go to reddit for that? Ewww
Depends on which tracker. In general though invites and you get invites by association with relevant groups. Sometimes open registration occurs (though rarely) an other times the trakcer may do interviews.
It mostly comes down to time and patience.
I got a pretty letter from speck_t_rum once.
Been a paranoid ever since.
I don’t see how thats relevant.
It said stop torrenting or face a biiiig fine. I’ll try and follow the guides to avoid this but I’m still a bit paranoid. Maybe I was loooking for reassurance that vpn and private trackers are good enough.
Perhaps I’m mistaken, but I believe the only thing they could really do is drop you from their service (or I guess throttle you to high heaven)… I don’t think a private company has the authority to impose fines, and I don’t think these companies are actually following-up on these letters with real lawsuits as it would cost them way too much money.
actually either or is good normally. Public tracker +VPN or private without.
Search the term “OpenSignups”
They less elite one open usually during holidays like Easter Christmast, Black Friday and summer break.
Set up a private dns too, just in case of an ambush.
Gotcha, thanks
You know what would be pretty baller? A VPN credit union kind of thing where people ask over the place have their IP substituted with anyone else’s in the network! Just join in with a certain minimum of bandwidth?
I’m not sure I would want my ip address being tied to the activity of a large amount of strangers who want to hide their IP address. Seems like a good way to get a visit from the friendly neighborhood black van.
I’m pretty sure you’d have a perfectly good explanation.
Herd immunity?
I kinda wonder if this is what TOR does.
Yeah I’m not super technical but that was my first thought
That’s kinda TOR I guess
Use residential IP and the friction stops
How do I set up a YouTube account anonymously?
I want to use revanced and figured setting up a youtube account not attached to my Gmail is a good idea. But they require a phone number.
But if I’m using an android maybe it doesn’t matter anyway and Google will know I’m not looking at their ads? If they want to delete me Gmail and whatever I’m sure they could right?
Can you set up a Google voice number for this purpose?
Google voice also requires a number, but I was able to buy one of those shady sim cards to make a Google voice number. The shady sim card stopped working when I used it with a VPN, but I already signed up for some stuff with it that blocks Google voice like ChatGPT
Sounds like a book of Victor Pelevin
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