Except they have so many screwups with writing it’s not even funny. Like the captain freaking praying in s02e01… Yeaahhh, Starfleet is definitely known for their faith in god and not humanity…
There are plenty of religious people in ST. The point is humanity, and especially Starfleet, are secular and logical almost to a fault. It’d be a cold day in hell when a captain goes, “Oh jeeze, oh no, I don’t know what I’m doing! Please Sky Daddy, help mee~”
There’s even a freaking episode in TOS where Kirk directly denounces Gods as a whole, even while he’s literally staring at someone with god-like powers. It’s even a repeating theme in other ways through the series.
It is wholly anachronistic to have a captain defer to religious faith. They explicitly say humanity has moved past the need in all of the first five series.
Maybe Archer has some kind of religious faith-based statement I’m forgetting, but he’s set in early Trek times, and it does not remove the fact that EVERY OTHER series before ST was sold explicitly states humans do not believe in gods for worship. Picard even basically tells Q to fuck off and Q literally has powers beyond what “God” is ever described as having.
There’s even a freaking episode in TOS where Kirk directly denounces Gods as a whole, even while he’s literally staring at someone with god-like powers.
You mean the bit in who mourns for adonais where he says “we have no need for gods we find the one sufficient”? Really? Might wanna rethink that argument. Especially since canonically there’s a freakin’ chapel on the enterprise AND religious officers kneeling to pray. Even in DS9 Kasidy says her mother would want her to be married by a minister.
And Pike does not defer to religious faith, he faces a crisis outside of his control and outside of his role as an officer and throws a quick prayer. Oh no. The horror.
Religion has lost its stranglehold of control, but personal faith most certainly endures through all trek. You might wanna check some of your biases 'cos its making you logic fault.
You’re really reaching at straws when you equivocate a captain admitting humans have believed in one god vs a captain making a religious appeal to God.
Starfleet doesn’t condemn religion, but again, that DOES NOT mean they endorse it. You religious buffoons always utterly fail to understand what kind of humanity is portrayed.
You know what I said about your own bias colouring your argument? yeahhhhhhhhhhhh
You religious buffoons always utterly fail -
I’m not religious. I’m utterly, completely atheistic. I don’t believe in shit. To the point where I view the hysterical prosetylisation of atheism the same way I view hysterical prosetylisation of any religion. It bores me. It’s idiotic and incredibly solipsistic.
The way you’re acting right now ironically, is exactly how you’re claiming Pike praying in a moment of personal desperation and distress is. Worse, actually, because at least trek framed it like a casual agnostic going “well I can’t do shit here, maybe prayer would work”
NO ONE in starfleet has endorsed religion, ok maybe DS9 gets grey area-ing with the whole emissary thing, but where are you getting all these straw men from. What orifice are you pulling them out of. It can’t be comfortable having them all up there.
Oh, believe me, that is something that has been on my mind recently…
In Star Trek, humanity evolved to become better because it had to learn the hard lessons of the past.
Sadly, in reality and today, I’m not so sure those “hard lessons” would lead to any betterment of humanity. World War III could end, and it would be like that alternative episode of enterprise, where is Zephryn Cochrane shot the Vulcan visitors in the face with a shot shotgun.
Feel similar for Star Wars. I gave the sequels a few shots but ultimately don’t really care about them. However, the transition era between the Republic and the Galactic Empire echoes what is happening in the US this second.
I was (re)watching Clone Wars around the start of the year while making plans with my partner to leave our friends and flee the country. The way the Jedi Council treated Ahsoka towards the end while ushering in an era of fascism hit especially hard this time around.
They did her so wrong and then tried to say it was her final test. Such a cop out! Surely with all your sense of the Force you should have known she was innocent. But they didn’t see a Sith Lord right under their noses, either…
For shame for you to say that Star Trek has run on too long.
We need messages about cooperating to create a classless, moneyless society of benevolent people now more than ever.
Please tell that to CBS. (or who ever the hell runs these hellscape conglomerates these days and owns ST)
Paramount these days innit?
SNW is, like, almost there…
Except they have so many screwups with writing it’s not even funny. Like the captain freaking praying in s02e01… Yeaahhh, Starfleet is definitely known for their faith in god and not humanity…
Yeah nah. A future that accepts all doesn’t mean “atheists only”
There are plenty of religious people in ST. The point is humanity, and especially Starfleet, are secular and logical almost to a fault. It’d be a cold day in hell when a captain goes, “Oh jeeze, oh no, I don’t know what I’m doing! Please Sky Daddy, help mee~”
There’s even a freaking episode in TOS where Kirk directly denounces Gods as a whole, even while he’s literally staring at someone with god-like powers. It’s even a repeating theme in other ways through the series.
It is wholly anachronistic to have a captain defer to religious faith. They explicitly say humanity has moved past the need in all of the first five series.
Maybe Archer has some kind of religious faith-based statement I’m forgetting, but he’s set in early Trek times, and it does not remove the fact that EVERY OTHER series before ST was sold explicitly states humans do not believe in gods for worship. Picard even basically tells Q to fuck off and Q literally has powers beyond what “God” is ever described as having.
You mean the bit in who mourns for adonais where he says “we have no need for gods we find the one sufficient”? Really? Might wanna rethink that argument. Especially since canonically there’s a freakin’ chapel on the enterprise AND religious officers kneeling to pray. Even in DS9 Kasidy says her mother would want her to be married by a minister.
And Pike does not defer to religious faith, he faces a crisis outside of his control and outside of his role as an officer and throws a quick prayer. Oh no. The horror.
Religion has lost its stranglehold of control, but personal faith most certainly endures through all trek. You might wanna check some of your biases 'cos its making you logic fault.
You’re really reaching at straws when you equivocate a captain admitting humans have believed in one god vs a captain making a religious appeal to God.
Starfleet doesn’t condemn religion, but again, that DOES NOT mean they endorse it. You religious buffoons always utterly fail to understand what kind of humanity is portrayed.
You know what I said about your own bias colouring your argument? yeahhhhhhhhhhhh
I’m not religious. I’m utterly, completely atheistic. I don’t believe in shit. To the point where I view the hysterical prosetylisation of atheism the same way I view hysterical prosetylisation of any religion. It bores me. It’s idiotic and incredibly solipsistic.
The way you’re acting right now ironically, is exactly how you’re claiming Pike praying in a moment of personal desperation and distress is. Worse, actually, because at least trek framed it like a casual agnostic going “well I can’t do shit here, maybe prayer would work”
NO ONE in starfleet has endorsed religion, ok maybe DS9 gets grey area-ing with the whole emissary thing, but where are you getting all these straw men from. What orifice are you pulling them out of. It can’t be comfortable having them all up there.
A what?!?!?
Hell, even Star Trek’s hope for the future would do all of us a bit of good right now.
Just remember in ST humanity went through WWIII, a nuclear war before all the nice stuff.
Oh, believe me, that is something that has been on my mind recently…
In Star Trek, humanity evolved to become better because it had to learn the hard lessons of the past.
Sadly, in reality and today, I’m not so sure those “hard lessons” would lead to any betterment of humanity. World War III could end, and it would be like that alternative episode of enterprise, where is Zephryn Cochrane shot the Vulcan visitors in the face with a shot shotgun.
I’m terrified that we live in the mirror universe
A surprising amount of people spring beards, nowadays. So there might be something in your observation.
Feel similar for Star Wars. I gave the sequels a few shots but ultimately don’t really care about them. However, the transition era between the Republic and the Galactic Empire echoes what is happening in the US this second.
I was (re)watching Clone Wars around the start of the year while making plans with my partner to leave our friends and flee the country. The way the Jedi Council treated Ahsoka towards the end while ushering in an era of fascism hit especially hard this time around.
They did her so wrong and then tried to say it was her final test. Such a cop out! Surely with all your sense of the Force you should have known she was innocent. But they didn’t see a Sith Lord right under their noses, either…
That the Jedi Council is incredibly hubristic and far less aligned with the light side than they think is a major theme of the prequel era.
Maybe, but I feel like the lore has become too large for the property and a reboot would be beneficial for the series.
How many reboots do you need?
Just one made by someone who understands the franchise.
And as far as I recall, there is only one reboot in Star Trek history, it just shouldn’t have been made by JJ Abrams.