the dude trying not to shit
My curiosity is piqued, mind giving a link?
And then https://lemmy.world/post/739546
What a legend.
Marxists supporting Putin and his war
Basically r/TheWayOfTheBern found their way over to Lemmy
Beans. Lots and lots of beans.
God I’m glad that’s over.
Is this a Magical Trevor thing?
Leftists claiming Stalin was right wing.
I’d take them over the ones that think Stalin was a good guy any day tbh
Leftists who think, if I don’t subscribe to their narrow, personal definition of leftism, I must be an epistemically evil conservative maniac with no middle ground whatsoever.
It’s an oversimplified anarchist talking point against authoritarianism and the state. It’s noting the similarities between conservative talking points and auth-left socialist rhetoric. Basically, almost everything you criticize about capitalism can be applied to the state. And defenses for the state from auth-left socialists sounds an awful lot like right wing talking points in defense of capitalism/imperialism/insertotherismhere. Not to mention, the USSR was pretty socially conservative and that’s a big mark against them imo. Liberatory politics should liberate people, after all
I can sort of see where they’re coming from, if they’re equating authoritarianism to conservatism and libertarianism to liberalism. But in reality, Stalin was a left wing authoritarian.
If we look at the rhetoric, the soviet state was certainly left wing, but the main policy was state capitalism. To my mind, state capitalism is not a right wing (favors private control of industry) nor a left wing (favors worker control of industry) policy.
This is definitely a case where pure left/right dichotomy doesn’t serve to accurately describe the situation on the ground.
What was left wing about stalin?
His economic policies, specifically collectivism, particularly in agriculture.
The rhetoric.
Makes me wonder why we even still have wings. Nobody can seem to define them adequately.
Horseshoe theory.
TIL this is actually a thing and I’m not just an idiot speaking out of my ass (this time).
Cue the people downvoting horseshoe theory for no good reason
The fact that it’s stupid is a perfectly good reason to downvote it.
Yes, that is a very good reason to downvote your comment.
It’s better than the alternative, though it does leave me with a second question. If the far left and the far right resemble each other, can they be hybridized to make a kind of antichthon version of the center?
Far Right + Far Left = Far Side?
Gary Larson is political extremist confirmed
They probably mistook right wing for auth
The other day, I saw an A-list Hollywood actress going around Lemmy shitposting and promoting her latest movie on Lemmy.
She’s obviously very talented and very hot and deserves to finally get an Oscar this year, but I would say it’s pretty bizzare.
Also she’s now the top mod of [email protected] for some reason.
Wait is this some sort of joke I’m not privy to? That’s not actually Margot Robbie right? I can never tell what’s real on the internet nowadays.
Of course I am, why would Academy Award nominated character actress Margot Robbie go on the Internet to lie to you? Because she thinks messing with a bunch of tech people on a niche forum is hilarious?
That would be pretty bizarre.
Self referencing meme accounts were something I hoped we’d be leaving behind on Reddit.
Tell that to my publicists, please.
They’ll throw a fit if they find out about this.
A dude asking how to remove a cock ring on the lemmy.world support page
The guy who designed the Debian logo showed up
lemmy.world blocking access to some of their biggest communities.
The CIA setting up a base of operations on here and strawmanning the left. You can even see it here already. Well, I suppose the CIA disrupting leftist spaces isn’t all that bizarre.
What on earth are you babbling about? Jesus.
I honestly thought you were referring to the Jesus. The horrifying part is that it did not seem out of place with what he said.
You haven’t run across a post screaming about tankies or a strawman of leftists supposedly supporting authoritarian governments? Jesus must be your roommate under that rock in which you live.
Amazing. You have convinced me that all those things were done by the CIA and that I am uninformed and quite foolish. How astonishing. You are very clever and special.
I’m not trying to convince you of anything. Whether they’re actually on CIA’s payroll or just drooling morons doing it for free, the fact remains that there are many accounts dedicated to shrieking about supposed leftists defending authoritarian governments and they were already commenting on this post which is why I decided to make my own post. If you can’t see that then you have selective vision because the posts are right here. Either way, it’s bizarre that you’d take it so personally when I wasn’t even directing my post at you.
You have over 150 million Americans voting and dying for an orange conman and preferring him over Jesus fucking Christ, but you think people who say leftists are evil must be on the CIA’s payroll? You clearly must be on George Soros’ payroll, then /s
What the hell does any of that have to do with anything I’ve posted?
Occam’s Razor? People are just that stupid? Do you seriously think the CIA would go out of its way to command a botnet of redneck-sounding imbeciles on lemmy, when they got half the American people parroting this bullshit through DECADES of their own misinformation?
Your tinfoil hat’s off. Better get that taken care of.
Your head must be up your ass to not have seen all the posts talking about tankies and the concerted upvoting and downvoting efforts that take place. I’m joking about the CIA, but there is certainly a push to witch hunt a strawman, likely to shape communities to the liking of those users brigading. Might just be reddit clowns wanting to make it like their previous home.
ROFL. Again…. Get that hat back on.
If your stupid ass can’t see the replies to this post right now then that’s your problem.
Wait, you mean to tell me that it’s not possible that there could be more than one conspiracy nuttjob in a comment thread?
Whew!
I must stand corrected immediately!
This reply you’re reading right now being downvoted to oblivion using a supposedly unwanted karma system.
Expressing our dislike is not the same as the karma system. My profile does not have a score that communities will use to discriminate against me and stifle my comments because I’m not popular enough. We should be able to express our dislike without having a giant thread of arguments over it.
Exactly; the main point of karma for Reddit doesn’t apply here, and there are options in apps to just show total score.
I use downvotes for two things: the person was, needlessly, a jackass, regardless of whether they’re right, or they’re wrong in such a way that I don’t have the energy/ability to sort that out (or just trolling). I’m sure others do the same for me, and that information should be available to others.
It’s still karmic if comments are sorted based on it.
You can change that to New and hide read comments. Or just keep scrolling and read comments as they are. Organization that can be changed is different from not even being able to comment.
Yeah, it’s not like there are many comments on Lemmy anyways.
True, but the effect is still there, you’re just hiding it in favor of another setting.
Besides sorting by age or number of replies, how else would you sort comments, and is that any better than using user generated scores?
It was never that I minded Lemmy’s karma system (assuming such a thing wasn’t in the wrong hands), it’s that, if others were said to have minded, you would’ve never guessed that if you signed up today, based on how it’s visibly used. Personally I always sort comments based on how new it is, with new ones showing at the top. I do this on every website I’m on, as well as upvote everything I interact with for memory’s sake. The thing is when you have any popularity-based system is, what exactly is being represented? Sometimes I go somewhere and the most popular example of something is at the top based on no discernable values, which also sometimes suggests something was amiss. How does one please anyone/anything where the interests are inconsistent? This problem does not exist on Reddit.
Also to note is that Reddit’s karma system, which includes the added user-generated score system on their profile that a subreddit can use to vet people, has served as a good tool against people making a presence only for the purpose of an agenda, whether it be marketing or targeting. It also was more complex than simply “upvote to nod, downvote to shake your head”. Reddit has things in place to prevent weaponization. Here it’s relatively simple.
How is this so? Everyone here has a karma score. I see mine, and everyone else’s when I look at their profile.
But those don’t do anything here. On reddit visibility is based on karma, with negative karma you get buried and your comment might even be auto-hidden¹. On Lemmy, all comments are visible all the time, including their vote ratio. There’s no ad based recommendation algorithm to please, so it’s not vital. So it’s more of an ad-hoc opinion poll on the comment content.
ADD¹: And to add, it might be auto-hidden against the viewing user’s will. Sometimes, even if you sorted by controversial and wanted actively to read comments with negative karma, you would have to manually unfold them one by one. This is reddit taking away the control from the user. It isn’t an option, it’s not a setting.
Ahh! Interesting. I didn’t see it that way or know that’s how it worked. Thanks for the response.
Comments are still sorted on a post based on its points, hence it’s technically karmic. And would ya look at that, the seemingly-innocent-enough (to not expect fate to oblige) comment was no joke. It’s almost as if the originating source of visibly expressed opinion on a predictive basis works for me.
Comments are sorted however you want them to be.
But for those with the points-based sorting turned on, the effect will be the same for the person who has made comments for the very reason that there are those out there viewing them based on popularity. Karma posting requirements on Reddit aside, the same can be said about Reddit’s post popularity system.
Karma was more than just how many points your post or comment got, it was a system that was used against users and was meant to stifle discourse in the name of popularity. Being able to sort a post by highest voted comments is an option, but that does not come close to being a karma system. It’s a small similarity. I feel like of all the things to not like about Lemmy, upvotes is pretty small beans.
Any system where points mean something to someone’s ability to do something or to present themselves counts as a karma system.
How do the points have any affect on your ability to do anything on Lemmy?
