I see. Very unfortunate. Racism is complicated and more deeply rooted the most will realize and accept. What he said isn’t okay and never will be. I hope he’s grown since then and made amends for his mistakes.
I think he has moved on from what he did. He was in a semi-recent episode of Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee with Jerry and I seem to remember they spoke briefly about it. Maybe not, though.
Unfortunately for him though, there are no take-backs. Nor should there be. He metaphorically hit the lottery, and wasted all his winnings right there on that stage.
Let’s say the cashier at the local supermarket calls a customer some slurs. Someone records it on their phone. it blows up. Should the supermarket fire them?
Banned from jobs that are customer service related forever? No.
This is harder when we shift this to talking about comedians. For a comedian to have a job, people have to want to go to see them specifically. If I go to a show, and have a notably bad experience, I’m probably not going to go see that person / group / whatever again, and if I see videos and read news articles about someone else’s bad experience, that’s also probably enough to make me not want to see them, too.
So, maybe celebrities that get cancelled should have to find a new industry to work in, if what they did is bad enough. At the very least, they need to change their image to the point that they’re appealing to a different audience, if their old audience is no longer interested in seeing their show.
Depends on the history. You never fire somebody on the first offense in a case of using inappropriate language on the job, because you have to account for their personal background - maybe where they grew up that language is totally normal and they really don’t get that it’s a problem. They have to be given a chance to change their behavior once they’re aware that it’s not okay. If they do it again, it’s a valid violation of workplace standards and totally justifiable to fire them.
It is ridiculous, but it’s also the rules HR organizations go by. What I described was the actual policy when I worked at Microsoft, as told to me by a friend in HR who said she’d had extensive training in handling sexual harassment. I don’t know if it would literally be applied if somebody said “gas the nigs” but AFAIK it’s the protocol you have to follow in a business to protect yourself from lawyers. Therefore if I were a business owner that’s what I would do, because keeping my livelihood and keeping my other employees employed would mean more to me than feeling like an angel of justice or getting upvotes on lemmy.
Why no Kramer?
Said some things on stage he really shouldn’t have, but people make mistakes and usually grow from it, so we’ll see who he is now.
I see. Very unfortunate. Racism is complicated and more deeply rooted the most will realize and accept. What he said isn’t okay and never will be. I hope he’s grown since then and made amends for his mistakes.
I think he has moved on from what he did. He was in a semi-recent episode of Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee with Jerry and I seem to remember they spoke briefly about it. Maybe not, though.
Unfortunately for him though, there are no take-backs. Nor should there be. He metaphorically hit the lottery, and wasted all his winnings right there on that stage.
Thought he apologized for that. Doesn’t make it right, but still.
Most awkward ever
The audience laughing fucking kills me lmao
Incredibly misguided of Jerry to think a comedy show was the best place.
My goodness, what judgmental little insects we have become.
Nope sorry, you’re not allowed to learn from your mistakes anymore. Unless you rationalize that boomers made your actions unavoidable.
Question for you:
Let’s say the cashier at the local supermarket calls a customer some slurs. Someone records it on their phone. it blows up. Should the supermarket fire them?
Should that person never get another job ever again? “You said something bad so you and your family must starve!”
Fired? Yes.
Banned from all other jobs? No.
Banned from jobs that are customer service related? Yes.
Banned from jobs that are customer service related forever? No.
Being cancelled should be treated like a timeout. You won’t eat your peas, fine no dessert. Well try again tomorrow.
This is harder when we shift this to talking about comedians. For a comedian to have a job, people have to want to go to see them specifically. If I go to a show, and have a notably bad experience, I’m probably not going to go see that person / group / whatever again, and if I see videos and read news articles about someone else’s bad experience, that’s also probably enough to make me not want to see them, too.
So, maybe celebrities that get cancelled should have to find a new industry to work in, if what they did is bad enough. At the very least, they need to change their image to the point that they’re appealing to a different audience, if their old audience is no longer interested in seeing their show.
Seriously, why are we wasting time pitying celebrities who used their fame in stupid ways, like going on a slur ridden tirade at for audience
Depends on the history. You never fire somebody on the first offense in a case of using inappropriate language on the job, because you have to account for their personal background - maybe where they grew up that language is totally normal and they really don’t get that it’s a problem. They have to be given a chance to change their behavior once they’re aware that it’s not okay. If they do it again, it’s a valid violation of workplace standards and totally justifiable to fire them.
Brb getting a job as a greeter to see how lo g it takes to get fired for saying “gas the nigs”
That’s ridiculous.
It is ridiculous, but it’s also the rules HR organizations go by. What I described was the actual policy when I worked at Microsoft, as told to me by a friend in HR who said she’d had extensive training in handling sexual harassment. I don’t know if it would literally be applied if somebody said “gas the nigs” but AFAIK it’s the protocol you have to follow in a business to protect yourself from lawyers. Therefore if I were a business owner that’s what I would do, because keeping my livelihood and keeping my other employees employed would mean more to me than feeling like an angel of justice or getting upvotes on lemmy.