More than 100 Arizona Palestinian, Arab, Muslim, and progressive Democrats and community leaders have signed a letter making the case for those reluctant to support Kamala Harris against Donald Trump.

“We know that many in our communities are resistant to vote for Kamala Harris because of the Biden administration’s complicity in the genocide,” the letter, published Thursday night, reads.

“Some of us have lost many family members in Gaza and Lebanon. We respect those who feel they simply can’t vote for a member of the administration that sent the bombs that may have killed their loved ones,” the letter continued. “As we consider the full situation carefully, however, we conclude that voting for Kamala Harris is the best option for the Palestinian cause and all of our communities.”

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    It is important to note that foreign nations like Iran, Russia and China are using this topic to convince voters to allow facism to win the election in the US. This doesn’t mean that Israel shouldn’t be held accountable for their actions. But history shows how foreign actors use these topics to manipulate us.

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      Yeah, it sucks but everyone just needs to hold their nose and do what will have the best outcome. Sadly, if Trump is elected, this will probably not be an issue in the future. Yeah, Harris needs to do more and the democrats need to be pressured into doing what’s right, but the only way that matters is if they’re in power. If Republicans have control, nothing you say regarding Palestine will matter.

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        You should not normalize genocide by voting for any genocider candidate, nor publicly rationalizing doing so.

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            I would like you and others to stop normalizing the genocide of Palestine. If you stop announcing your unconditional support for the people genociding Palestine to any degree then it has been effective.

            In terms of being more generally politically effective, it is important to take a step away from the dictates of your political class faction. I think that having a simple red line of not supporting genocide should be enough for any moral person to do so.

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              I’m sure the not-Harris candidate who wins will do wonders for Palestine

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                Refusing to normalize genocide is an important first step for working against it. The reason Dems can do genocide and not fear a loss is that so many people fall in line over threats that “the other guy” will win.

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                  I get the concept of the Boogeyman opponent, but I’m this case nothing is myth, or fearmongering. We can see what the Biden admin is doing, and assume Harris won’t be very far from it. It’s not desirable but holy shit is there room for more chaos and death.

                  We have seen how trump handles the middle east, and color that with his modern statements. It’s evident trump’s path will be materially worse for Palestinians.

                  Given that trump or Harris will be the next president, the best choice for everyone is Harris.

                  As a bonus, the opportunity to “refuse to normalize” will be in jeopardy with trump, as evidenced by his language to go after dissidents, his treatment of protesters, and the leveraging of stochastic terrorism to motivate his base towards race/ethnicity based attacks, the Muslim ban, the kashoggi murder, the soleimani assassination, his conservative judicial appointments, his under the table relationship with Saudi Arabia via kushner, and his on the record praise of strongmen like netanyahu.

                  If you think it’s hard to denormalize what’s happening re Israel now, strap in for the trump ride.

                  Edit by abstaining on principle “you” may bring about the single worst person for progressive ideals, middle east stability, and Muslim security in the US with consequences lasting for decades.

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      Important to note that fascism and genocide broadly persist under the current Harris co-led administration. Persecution and the marginalization of black Americans persists in the most democrat-controlled cities of America, not just in the Uyghur Autonomous Region.

      Amusing that Americans fear countries that, even combined, are responsible for a fraction of the worldwide political coups and corruption America itself is responsible for.

      America has singlehandedly propped up the Israel military, why pretend it is divorced from moral responsibility in the aftermath of a genocide?

      doesn’t mean that Israel shouldn’t be held accountable

      Why pretend Americans have any moral high ground in geopolitics, especially regarding Israel?

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        This new tack that Harris is bad for Black people is as transparent as it is far fetched.

        As the California AG, she piloted programs that provided educational resources to both released prisoners, as well as at risk kids beginning in elementary schools.

        Those programs reduced truancy and improved outcomes for at risk individuals and families, who were disproportionately black. They have since become national models of social harm reduction.

        Harris supports legalization of marijuana and releasing non violent drug offenders, again disproportionately benefiting black Americans.

        Edit: Although these statements are all trivial to verify, some people may lack the basic search skills to do so. the following links provide additional information:

        Attorney General Kamala D. Harris Launches Initiative to Reduce Recidivism in California 2013

        Kamala Harris, District Attorney for San Francisco, launched Back on Track 2009

        [The program has] Been adopted by the National District Attorneys Association as a model program.

        Kamala Harris Will Legalize recreational marijuana 2024 official campaign announcement

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          Why spout obvious lies when Google exists? There are many examples of Harris fighting to keep now-overturned convincts imprisoned as well, need I go on?

          “Defiance of the federal court order requiring the reduction of the California prisoner population is reminiscent of the Southern governors of the 1950s declaring their defiance of federal court desegregation orders,” Erwin Chemerinsky, dean of UC Berkeley Law School, told NPR at the time. “Both were misguided efforts to undermine enforcement of the Constitution.” Added Barry Krisberg, longtime president of the National Council on Crime and Delinquency, “The legal arguments that the state is putting forward make no sense.”

          https://prospect.org/justice/how-kamala-harris-fought-to-keep-nonviolent-prisoners-locked-up/

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    Tankies: “B-but now we can’t swing the election to Trump with our constant whining and unrealistic demands!”

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    I wish these .ml clowns would hold their impotent revolution stirring for ONE critical election. Once trump is gone and MAGA gets told they are unacceptable by a massive blue tsunami, then trump is completely into dementia before he gets another chance to lose, then you can go be a hero and fight against our interests at home in favor of…still doing genocide…or whatever ignorant magical change you think is going to happen instead.

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      And then the next Trump will stand up, there is a long waiting line already.

      What nees to change is the game, the rules. Elections should be counting ALL votes and comparing those, not voting for guys that will elect your guy. Elections should NOT be winner takes all, NOT first past the post. The US needs 30 political parties, not two, not three. The entire political system needs to be redesigned and rebuilt from the ground up

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        They’ve already proven repeatedly that other nutjob candidates just don’t hit the same for his base

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    Disgusting. Make a case against the fucking genocide then to get more votes.

    This is terrible. We need better candidates.

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      The only thing disgusting here is that you assume you’ve got a moral high ground and superiority over these Arab, Muslim, and Palestinian community leaders. I trust their opinion.

      I’m tired of champagne socialists pretending to be all for progressive causes and then they act like they know better than us brown people and are our wiser saviors. As a brown person, that makes you no better than a Republican in my eyes. Stop using us as a cudgel and patronizing us instead of listening to us. Strip away your imperialist mindset and listen to AAPI people to try and win for once.

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    Just as this letter expresses people should respect those who don’t wish to participate in this duopoly.

    Voting Trump in might increase the genocide but is it different than what Democrats would do.

    Those who say time to change policy is after the election must remember what happened to all the student and Jewsish protestors against Biden/Harris 's support to Israel. They were gunned down by rubber bullets and water cannon and tear gas. This will not change.

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    If I were an American, I’d probably vote Harris if and only if I live in a swing state or a state where the margins between votes aren’t too high. In any state where the outcome seems set in stone, I’d vote a third party candidate (probably Jill Stein). They won’t get elected, but if there’s a noticeable increase in the number of votes for them, it might make democrats nervous that their political orientation choices aren’t viable. I’d also start campaigning for the third party the day after the election, regardless of the outcome.

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      This might make sense in the primary, but not in the general election. The more the popular vote skews toward Harris, the more indefensible Donald will seem when he tries to claim it was stolen.

      Also fwiw I wouldn’t feel comfortable voting Jill Stein, there’s a lot of podcasts I’ve heard saying she’s basically a grifter at this point.