That’s all.
EDIT: Thank you all for detailing your experience with, and hatred for, this miserable product. Your display of solidarity is inspiring. Now, say it with me:
Fuck Microsoft
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Microsoft OneDrive is the maggots in the dog shit
There shouldn’t be worms in the poop of a healthy dog. This analogy just keeps getting better and more accurate.
Maggots aren’t worms.
Oooh, I hate it so bad…… I used to click “Save” and my word document would ask to save in the only folder I save ALL my documents in. Change the name, save, so easy!
Now it asks if I want to save to OneDrive… Fuck No Mr Paperclip! I want it in the folder I always use and don’t want to have to select “Other” then dig through screens to select the thing I use every time!
So annoying. The OneDrive documents folder masquerading as your actual docs folder. Diabolical.
What’s worse is when I need to upload the doc to a website the OneDrive folder is nowhere to be found.
Tricksy onedrives
Onedrive is pretty ok, other than being annoying. A company I worked for was acquired by another company that had their own cloud storage product. After the acquisition, they forced us to migrate from onedrive to their product. It was so bad… Files would constantly corrupt and disappear, the speed was terrible, trying to share files didn’t work half the time, when sharing folders the people you shared with wouldn’t see all the files in the folder. They also limited our storage from 1TB to 25GB making it pretty useless for storing builds of our product or trying to share VMs.
And the worst part is that they also closed our SMB network share to force us to use that piece of shit.
After that experience, I will never complain about Onedrive again.
Haha oh man that sounds infuriating. Of course it could be worse, but def could be better
That’s all.
There’s more: microsoft outlook is garbage
The new outlook has exceeded “garbage” and gone all the way to dumpster fire. It sometimes takes upwards of 15, 30 seconds to open an email. The new auto formatting is a hindrance to be overcome by tricking it to act how you want. Trying to schedule an event across timezones shits the bed half the time, resulting in improper meeting times being sent out. Absolute failure.
New Outlook also doesn’t support Really Simple Syndication, which I used a lot with the Old Outlook.
So back to old Outlook I go.
My CISO has all but said he’s going to prevent any auto-rollout of that shit because it breaks decades of user training and TRUNCATES THE FRONT OF THE URL, NOT THE BACK LIKE ANY SENSIBLE APPLICATION.
Like, let’s make it so Steve in accounting can’t see that the login link he wants to click is actually haxxor.com instead of bank.com, makes perfect fucking sense.
I will give respect where due: I like the sweep button. It’s handy for me personally, as someone who is on several email lists that are public-facing. That’s about it.
Every attempt to help me automatically is a pain. Like most things in this vein it never learns what you’re trying to do, only what they would do in a given scenario that’s vaguely like ours.
If I’m being honest the only Microsoft product I actually like is Excel.
They’re doing their best to “improve” excel too… I can’t understand how their AI generated cell fill is worse than the old approach.
Ever try finding an old email by sender. Lol, good luck
Microsoft Teams isn’t all bad! For example, it bogged down my work computer so much at start up that I would basically get an extra break.
It temporarily deletes my meetings just before they happen, so that I don’t have to attend them!
Of course, when I open it later, the meetings are restored, with the original date, and no trace of the deletion. So not attending them is quite hard to explain to others. But it does save me from attending!
Just do in what I do. Don’t join meetings most of the time. That way when you do it is noteworthy to the meeting stakeholder.
Yeah sure my manglers through the years try to have ‘the talk’ but after awhile of training them via sheer apathy they shut the fuck up.
I solve complex problems, get my tasks done, I’m independent and I stay busy because I’ll get bored. Most meetings could just be an email. There’s no real collaboration except managers or scrum masters asking what your blockers are but not actually doing anything about it. If I think the meeting will be a waste of my time I just don’t show up.
Take a print
The one problem with that is that I need to know I’m not being told about a meeting to take a print.
The the screen recording always on lol
Oh, nice, Windows 11 will fix Teams!
fuxk yea I get like an extra 30 mins a day at leastttt
Hahaha!
Fuckin epic!
Microsoft
Teamsis dog shitThat’s all.
Bill Gates is en route to your location
Oh dear god, no, what have I done
Bill Gates in this episode looks like he’d have nanomachines
What blows my mind is MS fucking bought Skype and somehow Teams still can’t handle video calls correctly. The actual fuck did they do with that acquisition?
Skype used to be peer to peer. Your call went from you to your friend (whomever). Microsoft decided that they couldn’t mitm that setup to scrape data; so, soon after they acquired Skype, they made all calls go through their servers.
Then they tried to make Skype make more money, since those servers aren’t free. Then they made teams and copied half the code into that, and cludged the rest to make it hold together.
In mean aside from the fact that almost all of that story is completely wrong, it’s a good story.
Source: Used to work at Microsoft and worked a lot with people from the Skype team.
What is the real story?
Skype made the call negotiation go through a central server (as does all systems nowadays). Skype was originally built on Kazaa technology to punch through firewalls without a central coordinator and that’s what Microsoft removed. They didn’t remove it to track the calling but to enable larger group calls on weaker devices which required video mixing on a central system rather than peer to peer call (where weaker peers couldn’t decode that many video streams). Calls up to 4 are still routed peer to peer if the backend can find routes through all firewalls.
Very very little of Skype was in the new Teams if anything. Teams was a rewrap of Communicator calling tech and was a response to Slack. The real time chatting had nothing to do with Skype either.
Skype lingered in Microsoft for a couple of reasons; Microsoft was crap at acquiring businesses back then, thinking that a hands off approach was best. It meant Skype never really became a proper Microsoft team - they still felt and acted like Skype employees and they didn’t manage to affect Redmond very well. Being acquired is super hard especially when almost all of the bigger business was in a different time zone and a different culture.
I was at a leadership development workshop with a tonne of Skype leaders about 10 years ago. They were still feeling incredibly frustrated and not understanding what was expected of them. It was a botched acquisition and the fault was on both sides.
How the fuck did they let motherfucking Zoom take over. The video-call equivalent of “Googling” something was to “Skype.” When Covid hit, Microsoft screwed the pooch horribly.
My sister is super high ranking at Microsoft, and when she calls the family, she uses Zoom.
I don’t see “screwed the pooch” used much but it always is funny to me.
Well, I’m a unix guy for 30 years and hated M$ bill gates blablabla and forced to use windows at work etc. Teams was somewhat bad at the beginning, especially start of covid pandemic , I’m using Teams multiple times daily for ~5 years now. But since ~1 year it handles video call pretty nicely, 20+ feeds, share screens, whiteboard, etc. it’s pretty stable at least, don’t crash anymore, and we can have multiple accounts. It took times to reach this state I agree…
Teams are losing parts of text chat conversations for me. Not sure if that’s issue of their PWA on Linux or just an issue in general…
PWA in Linux is unusable yep, with FF or Edge, super buggy.
I’m using Teams in Windows, I have a software KVM to move between my Linux PC and work windows laptop
The core of what made Skype great was made by a team of engineers in Estonia. Once it got acquired most of those people left the company. Many of them ended up at Twilio.
Too fuckin right m8
As if there’s a single lead developer behind MS Teams. There’s probably like 100+ devs working on it in a dozen teams or more.
Do you think the Microsoft Teams team uses Microsoft Teams in their teams to develop Microsoft Teams?
Do you really think it had that much attention?
1 PO, 1 BA and a part time dev split across teams. They’re also the QA.
Bruh it was a placeholder cuz it took me a sec to find the meme lmao
It’s still better than WebEx because I don’t have to log in to that piece of shit software to start a video call.
fucking WebEx
I shudder when I go to an Apple meeting because they use Webex. (Shudder)
WebEx Teams (now just WebEx?) is leaps better… In that it works.
“Your organization has blocked this action”
I mean this is my work phone, and I’m trying to copy a customer’s phone number from a spreadsheet to the dialer, but thanks man.
Not that I’m actually trying to defend MS/Teams (seriously, fuck ‘em both); but this is more due to IT Admin settings.
We have similar in our company, that’s in place because we handle PIR data regularly and it’s meant to be a speed bump rather than full roadblock.
For a long time, I would occasionally use my personal phone to check work email and Slack when I had to be out-of-office for an errand. They created a new policy last month that would force me to have a “work” profile on my phone if I wanted to continue using those apps. Fuck that. Instead I removed every work related app from my phone.
“Sorry boss, I can’t check my messages while waiting at my doctor’s office anymore.Why? Oh, because IT policies won’t let me.”
Unpopular opinion: I actually like MS Teams
Look, I know this might get downvoted, but Teams is… actually fine? Yeah, it’s not perfect, but it just works. The best part is that everyone and their grandma knows how to use it because it’s the corporate standard around here.
I can’t tell you how much time I’ve saved not having to do the whole “can you hear me? let me try reconnecting… oh wait try updating your browser” dance that happens with other platforms. My company recently switched to Google Meet and honestly? It’s been a downgrade. Teams might not be the coolest kid on the block, but at least I’m not spending half my meetings troubleshooting audio and video issues.
I haven’t really used any other platforms so I can’t really compare but I have encountered enough audio issues too. Especially with new Teams and bluetooth devices.
Same, Teams is terrible in terms of getting audio to work properly, our meetings still start with “can you hear me?” And often at least one person has to rejoin after pairing their bt headset again. But honestly everything else I’ve come across is even worse.
I went from teams/ms at another business to google at my current one. If they changed to Microsoft anything I’d burn the place down.
For me “it just works” doesn’t ring true. Generally at least once a day, I join a call and it won’t let me unmute, and I have to restart Teams.
Scrolling through history is obnoxiously slow.
The activity feed is mostly useless, spammed with stuff that isn’t important and it’s the only place that vaguely tries to keep track of ‘Teams’ conversations.
In my company, I’ve been added to about 70 Teams and it’s pretty much impossible to interact with them, so as a result no one does, they all just start ad-hoc chats, since that’s the only thing that vaguely gets managed in a way people can follow.
When going cross-organization, it’s a crap shoot whether or not we can use text, voice, and screen share/remote control. I know this is generally due to obnoxious company ‘security’ policies and other solutions have it, but it is a frustration. One recent call with a particularly screwed up company had us on two different meeting platforms at once as well as on an old fashioned conference call, because text was only allowed on one platform, screen share on another, and no audio was allowed on either (despite both supporting all three).
Sure, Teams suffers, in part, because like all corporate tools it connects you to generally dysfunctional work communities. However it broadly does have it’s own annoyances.
Yeah, I have a similar experience, but it certainly lacks in features compared to other messengers. For example:
- chat - formatting is terrible, Slack is way better here
- groups - haven’t bothered figuring them out, in Slack making a channel or group message is super natural
- resources - Teams eats RAM like crazy, Slack seems to be a bit more respectful
- recent chats/messages - I can never find what I’m looking for, with Slack it’s simple
I like the integration w/ Outlook because we’re basically forced to use it at work, but Slack is way better for almost everything that doesn’t interact directly w/ Outlook. So if it’s not a scheduled meeting, I and my team much prefer Slack.
Gotta say, formatting of text isn’t a high priority for me… I’m pinging someone about a thing, I’m not writing a presentation. Adding emojis is about as much as I need 🤔
And - to me - adding people to an adhoc group call / chat is straight forwards - and finding those conversations later is too
But, I believe that there’s a few Corp IT settings that can be adjusted (we’ve recently lost the ability to add gifs for example), so maybe that’s what’s going wrong.
But we’re a long way from AOL IM 😉
I send code snippets, quote sections of linked documents, and provide in-line links pretty often, kind of like here on Lemmy. Slack isn’t as nice as Markdown, but it’s good enough, whereas Teams is a complete pain in in the butt and it completely butchers code blocks. That said, I’m a team lead, so I fairly frequently post about recent releases, security issues, or give cliff notes of recent meetings, so formatting for me matters quite a bit.
And for calls, we have multiple logical groups of people, such as:
- development teams
- team leads (for all teams)
- groups by location
- groups by role (developers, QA, etc)
- release groups - may be part of a team, multiple teams, or parts of multiple teams
- automated alerts when prod has an issue
And we have ad-hoc group chats where just a handful of people need to be involved, but they don’t fit cleanly into one of the established groups above (e.g. project manager wants to know a rough estimate for an upcoming project).
Teams works fine, but I find it annoying to use.
I hate teams because it consistently doesn’t just work
missed notifications, screensharing
i have little use of it and it constantly breaks
If you use something often you learn to handle the bugs and “it just works”. If you use a product rarely then it’s not gonna work as well
Ah, they’re all crap.
Came to Teams from Slack, some upsides, some downsides. It’s a corporate communication tool, I don’t use it because I think it’s beautiful and elegant, I use it because I get paid money to use it.
What’s wrong with slack?
I’ve had limited experience with slack, but the whole way conversations map to workspaces at least got to be confusing to me, and I would have liked an experience based on me as a user, rather than having my user span workspaces and have to juggle them to figure out how to talk to whoever I’m supposed to talk to at the time.
I don’t care. I’ll take anything that maintains staff meetings from home. Before COVID they were 90% in person.
Yup. It’s got a stupid amount of bloat for what it is used for, but it’s aggressively “okay.”
Will take it everyday of the week instead of taking meetings in person.
“aggressively okay” is the best description i’ve ever head of MS teams
Yup, it does exactly what I want it to do: link scheduled meetings to my Outlook calendar (corp requirement) and let me join from a notification box. We have Slack for everything else.
It’s not great, but it’s certainly okay. Call quality is fine, the chat is crappy but gets the job done (supports links, files, and plain text, which is enough), and audio/camera settings are surprisingly decent. It works well for our use-case, which is scheduled meetings. Impromptu (i.e. useful) meetings happen over Slack.
Spoken like a person who isn’t forced to use JIRA
We have that pile of dog shit as well!
sounds suspiciously like we work together. 🤔
Grab lunch tomorrow?
only if the boss is paying 🤣
Jira seems more consistent than Teams, and I’m in more control of Jira too.
No, no! Dogshit sometimes fertilizes and promotes growth. Microsoft teams is poison.
For the budding gardeners who might see this, do not use dogshit as fertilizer for the plants you eat.
Hey, poison has it’s uses too, unlike Teams.
I still don’t want it on my desk though.
I work in IT. I think it’s popular because it’s “free”.
With that said, I put up a picture on the office wall of a Swiss army knife with features like syringe, fire extinguisher, axe, etc and have it labeled Microsoft Teams. Yes, it can do 100 different tasks, fucking poorly.
Exactly. Every time I mention some feature I like from Slack to a coworker of mine who loves Teams, they point out how to accomplish the same task, but it’s less intuitive, feature poor, and comes with a handful of caveats. But it can do them, and I guess if you’re used to it, it can be pretty productive.
that is because theyre selling it to the business, not the end user. They dont give 2 fucks about your experience
