Considering that when people paid $100 for that OS they were told that it would be the “last Windows to be released”, shouldn’t there be a class action lawsuit?
They weren’t told that, that was an off-hand comment by an employee (not even a spokesperson) that the media took and ran with. Source:
Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10.
I think they meant “latest” not “last.”
For what it’s worth
“Recent comments at Ignite about Windows 10 are reflective of the way Windows will be delivered as a service bringing new innovations and updates in an ongoing manner, with continuous value for our consumer and business customers,” says a Microsoft spokesperson in a statement to The Verge. “We aren’t speaking to future branding at this time, but customers can be confident Windows 10 will remain up-to-date and power a variety of devices from PCs to phones to Surface Hub to HoloLens and Xbox. We look forward to a long future of Windows innovations.”
https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-version-of-windows
Windows will be delivered as a service
Which is largely true, there have been a number of “service packs” that were released as regular updates throughout the Windows 10 lifespan. So it definitely seems they want people to not think about the specific Windows version they’re on. From that article:
Microsoft could opt for Windows 11 or Windows 12 in future, but if people upgrade to Windows 10 and the regular updates do the trick then everyone will just settle for just “Windows” without even worrying about the version number.
Windows 7, for example, had one major service pack, with a few isolated updates, whereas Windows 10 had a major update about every 6 months, and each one of those checkpoints was supported for about a year and a half. The final update was at the end of 2022, and it’s support runs 3 years.
So yeah, I think they met what they said, but the messaging wasn’t particularly clear how long that support would be provided for.
“Enrolled PCs will continue to receive Critical and Important security updates for Windows 10; however, new features, bug fixes, and technical support will no longer be available from Microsoft,” explains Yusuf Mehdi, executive vice president and consumer chief marketing officer at Microsoft.
Don’t threaten me with a good time.
Anyone who’s had to open a Microsoft support ticket can assure you technical support is already not available from Microsoft.
You have to be a really, really big company with an established connection with Microsoft to actually talk to the real engineers. Any tier of regular support only gets you the “sfc and clean boot” garbage.
Wait. They want me to pay for something I already paid for?
Well guess my $2.5k new windowless machine is looking better everyday.
You actually paid for Windows?
Oh yeah. Windows XP Professional 64 bit. Each “upgrade” used the same license and never really got screwy until 10. Won’t go to 11.
Edit: Actually I don’t think I even paid for that, I think it was an OEM license my dad got from his work.
Why l would pay 30$ to dumpester fire OS to use it securely for another year when l could install Linux for free with more than 7 year security?
And consumers can only pay for single year.
It just shows how M$ doesn’t care about their costumers treating them like lab rats.
I switched to Linux myself but can we please stop lying about Linux being a drop-in replacement? There is enough sofware that does not work.
A lot of Linux users here think the conversation begins and ends with game support. A lot of us use our computers for work and there is a lot of productivity and creative software that does not play nice with Linux. I’ve probably said this a dozen times here before but I’ll say it again: Not all of us use our computers solely for gaming.
theres also a lot of productivity and creative software that does. linux for work is way better than linux for gaming and id bet 80%+ of people can work off it much better.
Whats the best replacement for Excel? LibreCalc is ok but it lags really far behind Excel in intermediate features. My close friend in analytics switched back to Excel recently because he got so tired of dealing with LibreCalc.
Also do you know if the Affinity suite works well in Wine? Ive messed with a lot of software paid and libre for its purposes but just vibe with Affinity best
Im not asking to sound rude im asking because im genuinely looking down the barrel of this OS change and I do a lot of computer based hobbies and work that are going to be uprooted by this
Office 365. I hate it, but I don’t need a windows PC to use it.
best replacement for Excel
I’ve never met a google sheet that couldn’t do what excel did unless excel was being made to do shit it really isn’t ideal for
Yeah it’s another Corp, but you don’t have to pay and you can simultaneously edit the file on 80 devices at the same time if you want
both affinity and photoshop run well on wine for me. there are native tools like krita that work well for less complex use cases.
as for office i use some basic macros and calculations and libreoffice works for me, but there are many choices that may or may not work for your friend.
admittedly, software discovery on linux is awful. the app store isnt that good on some distros and theres basically no promotion.
only office works well for me, feels much closer to word and excel
This exactly. I’m an engineer but day-to-day I’m mainly using the Office shite (I tried for suite but ended up with former and happy to run with it) to do my job. The amount of extraneous effort I have to make to do tasks that would have been simple in 2005 is completely ridiculous. Yet on my home computer running Arch BTW, I can do everything instantaneously, the only downside is that some supplier I don’t really care for wants my presentation in pptx. If it wasn’t for work data security requirements, I’d just use my personal equipment for everything because I’d be able to work so much faster.
Edit: not to mention a lot of FOSS software is better than the professional bullshit (AutoCAD needs to die), it’s just a lot more effort to get up to speed with because colleagues around you don’t know it (yet)
Have you tried Bottles and/or Wine?
I’ve never had a problem running anything from the Adobe or Microsoft Suite for example, in fact I think they run waaay smoother on linux
But yea I get it, a lot of people associate compatibility with gaming only.
Really? So I could use my Wacom Cintique and my 2024 versions of Adobe Illustrator and Adobe Animator on Linux then? Because I use them to make a living and if I cannot use them on Linux easily then there is no point.
As a former Linux user from the early 00’s the biggest hurdle was art software and convincing Linux users that Adobe software means more than just Photoshop……
Premiere Pro runs smoother on Linux than on Win7-10 ever did
After effects felt the same as PP
So far I haven’t run into any program wine/bottles can’t run. Closest I got was needing to install a second program through wine and run them through the same prefix which is not hard at all
Honestly I figure “work computers” are often overlooked because many companies force windows for their
spying“productivity monitoring” apps.That said, there’s always “having a work computer and a separate secure personal computer.” The linux machine doesn’t even have to be particularly powerful, it could be whatever old used machine (w/o nvidia) you can get your hands on.
Absolutely. Especially software that has to interface with specific hardware, which often times can have issues working properly with Windows VMs.
I can just dedicate some old hardware for baremetal Win10, but not everyone has that luxury.
There is enough sofware that does not work
What Linux software doesn’t work?
You took this out of the context it was in.
It comes with a free frozen yogurt. That Microsoft calls frogurt.
…you sob, I’m in.
They don’t expect home users to pay. Remember that they often refuse to even reboot their computers to receive security updates.
Extended support is pretty much intended exclusively for enterprises.
Thank you for your service to Linux adoption o7
Can I give them 50 dollars and not have to use windows at all?
Better yet: you don’t have to pay Microsoft at all to make the switch!
I’m really surprised they haven’t managed to push Azure Linux into the fold. Release a desktop version, Find some way to make attractive for all those Windows 10 people ready to walk away. Then just slowly fold all the bullshit back in. They could even bring the gui completely Windows 10esque
The problem with that would be that it would make switching to another linux ditribution very, very easy. They would have 99.99% compatibility so a lot of people would switch to another distro if they add stuff like recall.
They would also be opening the can of worms that is massive software support for linux (which is arguably already opening.)
Heck, I’ll let you not use windows for $49.
Isn’t the free market great?
No because platform capitalism has capture tge software ecosystem and leverages you own human capital against you.
How about I not pay and take my chances…
it’s pretty dangerous not to be getting security updates. probably for regular users won’t be a big deal. i have a feeling really bad vulnerabilities will be patched even if you don’t pay for it just out of a potential PR issue. but i would almost definitely pay this if I were a business who didn’t plan on switching to Win 11 soon
on a personal level i don’t understand why anyone continues to use windows these days
For what I do, there’s very low risk of anything happening. As for why use it at all. I hate dealing with linux bullshit and mac is intolerably locked down. Windows for better or worse is still the middle ground.
there was a vulernability on the iphone a while back where someone would send you a specific hindu character and it would crash the OS. it can get you no matter what you do really, use or business. the difference is a business has a lot more to lose.
as for the OS talk…
I use MacOS on my macbook & Linux on my desktop at home. I don’t think Mac is intolerably locked down. I have virtually the same experience on both. Mac is a very smooth experience once you set it up how you like. I have the same command line applications, the same config files, the same firefox profile that gets synced in between them, same unix utilities that share folders/files as if they were native, can ssh from one to the other, etc
including windows in that would be a PITA
windows is clunky and the company pushing it is becoming progressively more hostile to its users. apple is greedy but at least with their OS it’s not pushy. it’s the hardware where they stick the knife and twist in terms of price
Glad you have something that works for you. 👍👁️👄👁️👍
If you’re somewhat tech savvy, don’t have anything against the high seas and absolutely need Windows, look into Windows 10 LTSC.
Windows 10 Enterprise IoT LTSC specifically
That’s a great tip, thanks ! Do you know if I can upgrade my regular Windows 10 to this version without having to uninstall everything ?
While there may be a way to upgrade, general consensus is that it’s not possible and you should reinstall.
If Microsoft wants to buy me a new computer to get me off Win10, they’re more than welcome to.
I just installed the latest version of Debian on a 12 year old netbook. Just sayin.
I’m assuming that’s a Linux thing, because no one asked.
Oh, you don’t have to ask.
I do this for free even!
Counteroffer - spend that $30 on a drink and turn them down. Just keep on using windows 10 and clog up their support tickets _
My company has absolutely no plan for the end of Windows 10. I bet they’ll rather throw money at MS than come up with some kind of strategy.
Look at it this way, $30 per machine is a helluva lot cheaper than mitigating whatever 11 will break.
Not to say don’t update, but Enterprise works on this stuff in advance, testing their systems with the newest versions as their Betas are released, to develop their mitigation strategies (including staged deployments).
Even there, $30 is cheap insurance if they need a little extra time to address issues.
For the home user, fuck that. Just ensure your security model includes layers, e.g. Don’t run as admin, isolate systems that are at risk, etc.
Hell, at home I run different VLANS for my own stuff (cause I do risky things), one for TV (because those things are terrible about security), another one for everyone else, and a guest network.
In a way, isn’t this just saying windows 11 is not ready as a replacement? Because fuck me my work laptop drives me nutty, IT hasn’t locked down all the popups and I can’t fix it withut IT…
In a way, isn’t this just saying windows 11 is not ready as a replacement?
No, Microsoft has offered paid extended support for afaik all other windows versions at least as far back as XP.
There is always something that can’t be upgraded because it’s running some obscure software or something. At work we are unfortunately running a single Windows Server 2003 server because it’s running some software that’s absolutely critical and apparently can’t be upgraded (I should test that though).
Pretty much every hardware or software company in at least IT offers (often really expensive) extended support for old stuff.
It’s just the way of things. It isn’t an admission that Win 11 Is bad of any kind
Man, I would love a follow up on that critical app. When I started in IT we had a sole dev that kept telling IT things couldn’t be updated and I guess they never challenged him. One day I got sick of trying to downgrade to 32 bit windows and moving pc’s around to for the growing needs of the company while one guy dictated everything has to stay old and shitty. Found out that alot of stuff he claimed could work only on 32 bit windows or server 2003, just needed to be tried on windows 10 or server 2016 and it was fine.
I started at the company during the summer so I haven’t been around long but my colleague has worked there for over 10 years and my former colleague worked there for 20 years. So I think that they are probably right.
The software is also something from the past that not a lot of people use anymore. Unfortunately I can’t say what it is because people could figure out where I work very easily if I did, I believe it’s from the 80s. My company is also the company that has used this kind of system for the longest time in the world.
Fun fact: I just searched up the software/system and I found out on Wikipedia that another company in the same industry had to reverse engineer and replace the entire system because it was just too old, and hard to maintain.
With that said, some of the servers the software uses runs at least on 2012 and 2016. I haven’t checked but if it’s a VM, I should absolutely just try and replace it and see what happens.
I m a Linux user for 10 years now and well… I just wanted to say that, bye
avg linux user
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i use arch but i dont tell people about it wait shit
“Please you monsters, just pay, our children are getting older, and it’s time they moved out and bought their OWN islands off Seattle!”
I expected them to charge more, to be honest.
