• ramble81@lemm.eeEnglish
      764·
      2 months ago

      Careful, there are some edgy people out there who don’t want to use more than one browser because Firefox doesn’t work with their cameras /s

      Meanwhile, I’ll still be using Firefox too

    • imPastaSyndrome@lemm.eeEnglish
      442·
      2 months ago

      You say that like they didn’t just remove several other adblock extensions themselves

      • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        271·
        2 months ago

        No they didn’t.

        They’re still there. Ublock origin is the god-tier adblock, and it’s still there. It’s even a Recommended by Mozilla extension.

        I know people on Lemmy often, for some reason, hate Mozilla more than Google or Microsoft, but Mozilla very much still caters to people who want to block ads, despite the disinformation on Lemmy.

        • Gigasser@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          2 months ago

          I don’t think Lemmy users hate Firefox. I feel like alot of it is either people who legitimately have whatever needs they have, fulfilled by chrome more than firefox, or…it’s fucking astroturfers/fanboys.

          Edit Addendum: Also, if anything, Lemmy users fucking love Firefox.

          • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            2 months ago

            I don’t mean all Lemmy users. I mean a surprisingly large amount that non-stop hate on Mozilla and Firefox.

            I’ve even seen two users that hate Mozilla/Firefox so much that they wrote about it in their account bio, which I find crazy.

            • Cypher@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              2 months ago

              Mozilla have made a series of unpopular choices, especially their enabling of telemetry for advertisers that does nothing to benefit users.

              It is no surprise some people are vocally unhappy.

              • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                2 months ago

                Private ads that make user tracking impossible absolutely benefits users, and the ad industry would be a lot less of a cancerous cesspit if it were the norm.

                It’s certainly been unpopular, but that’s more because most people on Lemmy don’t read past ragebait headlines and assume the worst.

                • Cypher@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  11·
                  2 months ago

                  It’s just another source of telemetry for advertisers and won’t stop any of the existing methods of tracking.

      • unalivejoy@lemm.eeEnglish
        231·
        2 months ago

        From what I’ve heard, they only “removed” uBlock Origin Lite. Normal uBO is still up.

      • Voyajer@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        2 months ago

        The one they removed isn’t relevant until Firefox also removes manifest V2 which they have no plans for.

        • Draconic NEO@lemmy.worldEnglish
          10·
          2 months ago

          Firefox has a different manifest v3 that still retains webrequest functionality, so even when they do switch over it’ll be fine.

  • fluckx@lemmy.worldEnglish
    911·
    2 months ago

    What could go wrong when you let an ad company dictate the browser standards/rules.

    I know we have Firefox and some forks like librewolf, but percentage wise it feels like a lost battle ( even if I am on Firefox ).

    If only people switched en masse to Firefox for the ad blocker. Wouldn’t that be something… One big collective FU to Google.

    Oh well. One can dream I guess.

    • SoGrumpy@lemmy.mlEnglish
      24·
      2 months ago

      The average Joe or Jane have no idea about ad blocking possibilities. They think ads are just the normal price you pay for surfing the web.

      I have even shown people the difference between their browsing experience and mine, and still they can’t be arsed to install an ad-blocker.

      But then again, they use tiktok and Instagram and all the other brain-numbing shit out there.

      • xavier666@lemm.eeEnglish
        6·
        2 months ago

        They think ads are just the normal price you pay for surfing part of the web

      • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        2 months ago

        I personally wouldn’t mind ads, if they weren’t too obtuse and/or malware ridden.

        I often turn off the adblocker for independent news sites, as theirs are less obtuse and are vetted better than just running an AI to detect nudity and/or slurs.

        • linearchaos@lemmy.worldEnglish
          7·
          2 months ago

          By all means bring back the banner and side ads that are just one banner and a couple of side ads. Breaking every paragraph up by two more ads is just a miserable experience. Have you tried to look up a recipe lately? Trying to find a recipe without an ad blocker pisses me off and off that I just give up on the recipe. Even though I know it’s on the page, between the 5,000 word essay trying to convey their nostalgia for the recipe and the 27 different ads that break that 5,000 word essay into 25 pages, I’d rather DDOS them then get the recipe from them.

      • OfficerBribe@lemm.eeEnglish
        11·
        2 months ago

        They think ads are just the normal price you pay for surfing the web.

        Which is great, offsets us who do use adblocks. It would be awful if majority of users would use adblocks.

  • rickdg@lemmy.worldEnglish
    583·
    2 months ago

    I used to recommend uBlock as a no-brainer, now folks really need to change towards a better browser.

    • QuarterSwede@lemmy.worldEnglish
      222·
      2 months ago

      Or get network wide blocking. Doesn’t prevent everything but it does prevent most ads. Makes the internet tolerable at least.

      • qprimed@lemmy.mlEnglish
        392·
        2 months ago

        nah, lets get them switched away from chromium based spy machines.

          • qprimed@lemmy.mlEnglish
            101·
            2 months ago

            sadly, agreed. mindshare leads to adoption, tho - so putting Firefox in front of more faces is always a positive. after all, its how google dominates.

      • rickdg@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        2 months ago

        Something like NextDNS as a no-brainer? It works but hits the limit of the free tier if people use it beyond their phone.

      • datendefekt@lemmy.mlEnglish
        2·
        2 months ago

        Pihole is good for a private network, but you can forget it in a work setting, especially corporate networks.

      • abbadon420@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        2 months ago

        I recommended pihole to my senior webdeveloper. She didn’t know about it and was blown away by the concept. She installed it immediately and is now living happily ad free.

  • linearchaos@lemmy.worldEnglish
    48·
    2 months ago

    Maybe we’re thinking about this wrong. Maybe we should all start running plugins that just load whatever ads that show up in the background hundreds of times without showing them to us. Every viewer is thousands upon thousands of impressions and click through rates become absolutely miserable. We can make the ads worthless or maybe even make them cost a significant amount of money to host.

      • ArchRecord@lemm.eeEnglish
        5·
        2 months ago

        It’s mildly effective in the sense that it will decimate click-through rates, but if enough people did it, they would start filtering by IP, and you’d need to change how many ads it clicks on so it looks more human.

        It also still gives advertisers your data, since it still has to load the ads on your system to click them, so it’s not as privacy-preserving as a full-on adblocker that outright blocks every advertisement and tracker related network request in the first place.

    • vxx@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      2 months ago

      I had an add blocker on phone thats worked that way (AdAway). It would just redirect adds into some folder and apps would be satisfied.

  • Kokesh@lemmy.worldEnglish
    527·
    2 months ago

    And what? If someone can live with ads, they can stay. Otherwise anyone can install Firefox. I was all-in Google since the beginning of Gmail. And switching to Firefox was completely painless. Everything works the same, times of website incompatibility are long gone.

    • ikidd@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      2 months ago

      times of website incompatibility are long gone

      I wish I could agree with that. Hell, I have to use Chrome to download my phone bill from Virgin, and a couple of others don’t work.

      And don’t get me wrong, I’m not blaming FF. It’s these lazy web developers that only target Chrome. I’m sure Safari users get the same shit experience.

      • Kokesh@lemmy.worldEnglish
        31·
        2 months ago

        I’ve cried also in dev a lot in the past, but mostly don’t cry so much anymore

    • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      2 months ago

      Issue is, a lot of people think the only browser in existence is “google”. I even had people looking me at funny for having an e-mail address ending in outlook.com rather than the usual gmail.com, and not because of some anti-MS sentiment, but because they thought e-mail was invented by Google, hance the name “gmail”.

      • rottingleaf@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        2 months ago

        but because they thought e-mail was invented by Google, hance the name “gmail”.

        Life is scary.

    • pixelscript@lemm.eeEnglish
      1·
      2 months ago

      Everything works the same, times of website incompatibility are long gone.

      Not completely true. It’s mostly true. I’ve daily driven Firefox for years, and the number of websites I’ve crossed that wouldn’t function in it correctly but would work just fine in Chrome was very slim… but not zero. Definitely not comparable to the complete shitshow of the 90’s and 00’s. That’s true. But it’s not a completely solved problem.

      And with Mozilla’s leadership practically looking for footguns to play with combined with the threat of Google’s sugar daddy checks drying up soon due to the antitrust suit (how utterly ironic that busting up the monopoly would actually harm the only competition…), that gap can get much worse in very little time if resources to keep full time devs paid disappear.

    • Mwa@lemm.eeEnglish
      21·
      2 months ago

      some people dont want firefox bcs its kinda slower then chromium based tbh but it aint bad am not saying firefox is bad

  • Cataphract@lemmy.mlEnglish
    15·
    2 months ago

    Hopefully wikipedia recognizes this as the official Canary in the Chrome mine. I was first impressed with chrome book because of seeing them used for education, getting my own laptop during school would’ve been mindblowing to kid me. I was unimpressed with the strangulation process of the OS but again shocked when they added a linux boot mode. There needs to be better alternatives by now, I would be ok with an OS developed by the department of education in conjunction with higher educational institutions. Could have a decent non-profit approach to a browser and ad blockers could legitimately be built in as a “protect the children” aim of approach.

    • hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      2 months ago

      I take it you’ve never been involved in such an endeavor? What you propose would take a decade a minimum due to the sheer number of nested advisory committees that would be required for those groups to interface. Better a non-profit group begins the work and then solicits these group’s input at the design stage.

    • MimicJar@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      2 months ago

      Think of it as an iceberg & Chrome users as a boat.

      Assuming no changes, this is landing in Chrome Canary now, so we’re watching the Chrome Canary boat hit the iceberg. The Chrome Beta boat is going to hit in a few weeks. Finally the Chrome Stable boat is scheduled to hit in mid November.

      Now Google may choose to hold back actually enabling this flag immediately. It wouldn’t be the first delay. But likely in mid November is when all the posts will start to appear of people asking where their ad blocker went.

      (Although I’m guessing it actually is delayed until after the holidays and in the new year, but that’s just wild speculation.)

      • acockworkorange@mander.xyzEnglish
        12·
        2 months ago

        I see. So the beta version got the the “feature” later than the production version? Google really is in great hands.

        Thanks!

  • ObliviousEnlightenment@lemmy.worldEnglish
    31·
    2 months ago

    Can we get a fork orba dedicated browser that stays on manifest v2? Even Firefoxs lack of plans is disconcerting. I want expmicit plans to not play along