Lol those losers at cern wasted hundreds of millions of dollars to find out that there aren’t frequencies that alter your energy while I only spent 36 dollars.
Get real
“I did my research”
One day at work, I found out a work friend actually believed the whole “crystal energy” thing.
Since she was the first person I had ever met who actually admitted to that, I wanted to know more about what her specific beliefs about them were.
At first she was super bubbly about it, on par with her personality. But then as I asked a couple common sense questions about why science doesnt find anything measurable, and first she got hostile and mad that I would dare question another person’s beliefs, but when I explained I was genuinely curious and had no interest in changing her beliefs she just kind of broke down because nobody ever takes her seriously or believes her about her “personal healing journey”
The way I see it, it’s for adults who like pretty rocks, but can’t come to terms with the fact that they like something “childish” (because for some reason a lot of adults call a rock collection cringe or childish or dumb, but clearly they’ve never met a geologist) so instead of having a pretty rock and mineral collection, they have “healing crystals”, and eventually it just becomes kind of like part of their identity the way a religion is.
I will however, 100% giggle at their expense with my wife, later. Because anyone who buys $50 polished selenite
drink coaster“charging plate”, and a $200 brass pyramid to “recharge” their $50 “healing quartz wand” while refusing to listen to real science deserves to be giggled at.I will however, 100% giggle at their expense with my wife, later. Because anyone who buys $50 polished selenite drink coaster “charging plate”, and a $200 brass pyramid to “recharge” their $50 “healing quartz wand” while refusing to listen to real science deserves to be giggled at.
I mean, humans do all sorts of wierd, irrational, ritualistic things. IMO, whatever floats your boat.
Did you buy your wife a diamond ring? Or at least gold? :P
I think this is the perfect response haha. Ppl find comfort where they can in the world, even if it looks a little whacky. So long as it’s not hurting anyone, let them have their whacky
No, I made the ring from sapphire (birth stone) and silver. Jewelry is easier than you might think when you’ve been doing small metalwork for knife handles, pommels, and guards.
Birth stones huh? More magical woo. No for real that’s awesome.
Lol at least she just thinks they’re pretty instead of thinking it’ll balance her energies.
humans do all sorts of weird, irrational, ritualistic things
lil private giggles about it seem fairly unobjectionable
Wonder if they had a big wedding that cost quite a bit more than 200$
No, because large weddings are a waste of money and stress, neither of which I make enough money to afford.
Wait, so you’re telling that to not feel ashamed of liking rocks for how they look, they believe silly things about them?
Meh. Placebos affect people so, I let them have it.
Edit: obviously not to the detriment of real remedies. Calmate
My mom died of cancer a few months ago because she was convinced that a combination of sunlight’s natural vibrational frequency and some expensive “medical” herbal teas would cure her. Placebos affect people, but if you let them believe that they’re an alternative to actual science and medicine, then they’ll use them as such.
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There is scientific evidence that backs crystals, it’s called the placebo effect.
So, you’re wrong.
Science doesn’t back the crystals, it backs the placebo effect.
“Science doesn’t back medical injections, it backs the body’s immune response.”
The premise is flawed. The LHC is looking for specific things, and it takes forever-and-a-day just to look much less decide whether the-thing-being-searched-for is there.
The premise here is that the LHC found All That Is, and it didn’t find [magical-rock-mystery-waves] so pfffttthh stupid hippies.
Until we figure out just what dark energy and dark matter is, we can’t throw out there being a fifth force that the LHC isn’t even designed to detect in the first place but if you think that humans are affected by things we only tend to notice on the astronomical scale, you’re putting the cart way before the horse. The whole reason we can’t detect them is because they don’t interact with us.
Yes but how do we know that.
Exactly. LHC also didn’t find that breathing air is good for you. I’m still not going to stop.
Good plan!
Short comment:
Does the LHC explain emotions?Long comment:
Perhaps there are other “forces” in the universe than physical forces. For example what is faith but a non-physical force? And yet it drives people to feel certain ways and do certain things. Same goes for love.Just like the placebo effect there are many things that affect a person internally even though externally they don’t appear to be doing anything.
If something so simple as wearing a bracelet brings balance to someone’s troubled mind then I don’t see the issue nor do I see the reason to argue about it on the internet.
Now, all that being said, these products are just a grift. We lost the plot when we went from
“pretty rock that eases my mind because I get dopamine from looking at it”
to
“this rock has magical powers and you should buy it because of that”.Conclusion: people are allowed to feel spiritual and psychological connections with things and it is wrong to take advantage of those feelings for profit.
They recently found evidence that not only was Penrose right all along about quantum effects in the brain but there’s these crystaline things in your brain that do quantum shit, not very specific on all the details… but the first thing I thought was
“Can’t wait for Spirit Science to completely and delibrately misinterpret this to sell more rocks.”
Edit: Maybe I was jumping the gun a bit about claiming Orch-OR itself was proven
Source on “Penrose was right”: https://youtu.be/xa2Kpkksf3k
I think you just did that as there is no experimental evidence at all to support Orch OR.
Next up, Maxwell.
Turns out the secret to defeating entropy was demons all along.
Not familiar with that one and I’m way too high right now to read an explanation.
tl;dr Maxwell’s Demon is a thought experiment where an imaginary demon lets only hot molecules into a hot room and cold into a cold room (from each other), thereby violating thermodynamics.
Maxwell’s demon, a thought experiment of chambers filled with hot and cold gas, connected by a microscopic trapdoor.
Thermodynamics/statistics shows that on average hot particles will go from the hotter side to the colder more than vice versa, gradually evening things out. That’s increase of entropy (increase of ‘disorder’, because there’s less ‘order’ of the separation between hot and cold regions.)
Maxwell’s demon sits at the trapdoor and opens it only for hot particles from the cold side to go to the hot side, and cold ones from the hot side to go to the cold side. So the separation gets more; entropy decreases. But the demon apparently isn’t increasing entropy elsewhere or expending non-negligible energy.
Therefore violating thermodynamics which, I think Einstein famously said, is basically the only physical law you can be completely certain won’t be violated.
I think I’m too dumb to get it in general…
But I do hope that one day we can rewrite all the laws of the universe and invent God, that’s the dream. To one day have a world where anything is possible. Till then we are stuck with the laws of physics.
God is just E=mc^2
If you can attain enough energy to convert it into mass, you are all-powerful.
OrchOR makes way too many wild claims for there to easily be any evidence for it. Even if we discover quantum effects (in the sense of scalable interference effects which have absolutely not been demonstrated) in the brain that would just demonstrate there are quantum effects in the brain, OrchOR is filled with a lot of assumptions which go far beyond this and would not be anywhere near justified. One of them being its reliance on gravity-induced collapse, which is nonrelativistic, meaning it cannot reproduce the predictions of quantum field theory, our best theory of the natural world.
A theory is ultimately not just a list of facts but a collection of facts under a single philosophical interpretation of how they relate to one another. This is more of a philosophical issue, but even if OrchOR proves there is gravitational induced collapse and that there is quantum effects in the brain, we would still just take these two facts separately. OrchOR tries to unify them under some bizarre philosophical interpretation called the Penrose–Lucas argument that says because humans can believe things that are not proven, therefore human consciousness must be noncomputable, and because human consciousness is not computable, it must be reducible to something that you cannot algorithmically predict its outcome, which would be true of an objective collapse model. Ergo, wave function collapse causes consciousness.
Again, even if they proved that there is scalable quantum interference effects in the brain, even if they proved that there is gravitationally induced collapse, that alone does not demonstrate OrchOR unless you actually think the Penrose-Lucas argument makes sense. They would just be two facts which we would take separately as fact. It would just be a fact that there is gravitionally induced collapse, a fact that there is scalable quantum interference effects in the brain but there would be no reason to adopt any of their claims about “consciousness.”
But even then, there is still no strong evidence that the brain in any way makes use of quantum interference effects, only loose hints that it may or not be possible with microtubules, and there is definitely no evidence of the gravitationally induced collapse.
This concept is just as dangerous as the right wing claiming LHC will open black holes. There’s an implication here that just as soon as LHC was turned on it suddenly gathered information about every unknown Force, particle, and energy in the universe.
The Large hadron collider took 4 years to confirm the higgs boson; as of today it is only on its third data collection run. LHC is hardly a silver bullet.
Don’t be fooled by CERN, LHC’s true purpose is time travel. El Psy Kongroo.
I thought it was contacting Amanda*.
* I meant to write aliens, but gboard gave them a name. Gboard, Amanda thanks you for your respect.
Honestly though?
At least it keeps the gullible from causing real trouble elsewhere.
I see where you are coming from, but if we lived in a world that literally had no scammers, grifters, or corruption, those people might find a hobby that actually helps society as a whole rather than spinning in place.
I’m talking only about the folks that have a belief in “energy work”, nothing else.
Nothing exists in a vacuum. Once someone believes one thing without evidence, they are likely to believe more things without evidence and people act on their beliefs. That’s the fundamental problem, believing things without evidence. Once you are comfortable with having that door open, it doesn’t stop at one thing and nothing else.
Then you might as well write off anyone with any religious beliefs at all. Which is fine by me, but I think it important to note that there’s no fundamental difference between the energy working “spiritual” folks and any other belief in the unprovable.
And, by that metric, I agree that such thinking opens the door to other forms of non empiric beliefs and practices, including the scammy ones. Religious folks will buy into whatever line of bunkum that’s linked to their religion of choice, same as the crystal power and herbs-are-magic crowd.
If anything, the woowoo spiritual folks tend to be way less invasive with their snake oil, so I mind them less by this criteria.
Not that everyone professing to only rely on empirical evidence for their decisions actually does. There’s plenty of faith about “science” as some kind of immutable thing that can be taken at face value. Doesn’t much matter what the information is, if the person just accepts something as truth because it is a published paper saying so, it’s the same end result, just with a lower chance of the information being completely imaginary as opposed to just wrong.
I dunno if it does.
A lot of these people go around smashing random rocks to uncover stuff they clearly plan to sell.
To sell them, they’ll likely promote crystal healing and such and anti science, and of course be anti vax
Now I’m just a humble weed farmer but I’ve seen “A Boy and His Atom” and it looks an awful lot like waves/vibrations to me. And I’m pretty sure some researchers have seen Lithium atoms collapse into waves near absolute zero. And we know that these waves and particles are effected by observation. And I’ve also smoked a bunch of DMT and eaten mysterious varieties of mushroom. That’s why I believe in m⛤gick.
Also, all the scientists “accidentally” making the same mistake as the BBC proves that intelligence doesn’t necessitate maturity 😉
What’s immature about it? Penis fencing is a respectable mating ritual among flat worms.
I didn’t mean it in a disparaging way. I love some immature humor myself, having a mental age of anywhere between 8 and 69 depending on my mood and the situation 😁
People will shit on crystals believers in one breath and tell people to ‘respect other’s religion’ in another or gloat about their MBTI assessment. The cognitive dissonance is unreal.
I don’t believe in either but at least I’m consistent. If you’re not, then you’re just finding an excuse to hate on a hobby that primarily attracts women.
This is the same thing that happens to anything that women likes: pumpkin spice lattes, uggs, horoscopes, tarot cards, rose, etc. It’s seen as trivial and stupid no matter how banal the average person’s interest are regardless of gender.
I don’t think standing by and letting people get scammed is the right move either
Wait shiny rocks have a gender now?
In a lot of the Romance languages. ;)
At this point people can believe in whatever they want as long as it doesn’t harm anyone else. Someone believing in a bunch of crystals and burning their money on them is a lot less harmful than other beliefs that I won’t mention.
Agreed. Crystals, manifestation, astrology etc. is such a stupid thing for people to feel mentally superior over others for. Being a jackass and bullying people for wanting to believe in something like luck is mentally weak. Science doesn’t save a mind from its own ignorance.
I dunno, they might not be looking in the right place. Have they tried Mystic Mary’s Crystal Emporium?
