• Pirasp@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    I mainly kill animals to enjoy the silence that comes after.

    Damn mosquitoes sound annoying AF!

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        5 months ago

        the least you could do is stfu and be grateful but no you have to fucking play vuvuzela LITERALLY IN MY EAR

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    5 months ago

    I actually respect vegans that are vegan to prevent the suffering of animals.

    I get it. Grew up farming. Chicken houses are an industrial horror machine.

    We’ve recently bought a play farm and hope to raise or hunt all our meat. Only the slaughter and butchering of steers will be outsourced. Takes some serious equipment to handle an animal that large.

    I’m an omnivore by evolution and enjoy meat and hunting. I’m always a little sad when I kill something, however. I figure that sadness means I’m human and is a good thing. When I eat meat from something I killed, it means more. There is a lot of respect involved in it as well something like religion.

    If more people had to kill their meat, we would probably live in a very different world and there would be a lot more vegans.

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      Really, all you need is a small tractor to lift the steer after you’ve skinned it and to drop the gut. Skin the animal on the ground and roll it from side to side to get it all off, split the chest and cut out the anus, start lifting at the rear legs with chains through the achilles tendon, and pull the anus through, then as you lift more you can free the gut from the backbone and gravity will pull the gut down as you get higher.

      Let it all fall on the skin, pull out the bits of organs you want or can feed the dog, and you have the carcass hanging now. Split with a sawsall and a long demolition blade. Make yourself a handhold between the fifth and sixth rib, then cut through the spine and breastbone above the 6th rib.

      Leave as much fat on the inside of the cavity as possible so the tenderloin and brisket don’t dry out when hanging. Try to hang it at 2-4C for a couple weeks.

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        5 months ago

        This sounds like excellent advice. I don’t even have a small tractor yet. Before steers, I’m going to have to string new fence. Next spring, if I’m lucky and have worked real hard, I’ll be getting a bottle calve or two.

        Did find a cinder block shed with a good roof that wasn’t even listed. Has a loading ramp for a pickup. I’m real tempted to just outsource it.

        Have a hernia and don’t know if I can do it.

        Do have a root cellar that will be perfect for hanging.

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          It’s not a bad job, but with a hernia you might find it distinctly unenjoyable. There’s quite a bit of bending and kneeling as you skin, obviously.

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      we used to live in a world were almost every slaughtered their own animals to eat and withing a rounding error everyone ate meat. its only icky to us today BECAUSE we dont interact with it.

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      I heartily agree. I’m also an omnivore, raised on a farm. The best meat is the meat you raised or hunted yourself, both ethically and taste wise.

      The respect I have for the animal I personally kill for sustenance is the closest an atheist like myself will ever get to religion. I respect the lives of animals to sustain mine as a human, and I know if I raised it or hunted it, it had a much better life and will taste better than any meat you’ll see at a Wallmart.

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        5 months ago

        Damn skippy. I’ve learned I’m an atheist with a pagan heart.

        I’ve found that I must be hunting something when I go in the woods or on the water. Animal, vegetable, or something else. Don’t care if I actually kill, catch, or find; there just has to be a goal. I love taking other people and helping them get in tune with the world.

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    5 months ago

    99% of humans have the complete opposite reaction when the animal in question is a mosquito.

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      5 months ago

      Mosquitos are almost parasites and are vectors for disease. It’s a pretty different relationship we have with them.

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        Well, let’s unpack this thought then.

        Pigs (you know, the animal that bacon actually comes from) mostly live off of human waste (aka garbage). They are the origin of the H1N1 virus (also known as the flu) and when not contained they are considered absolute pests.

        How are they different than mosquitos again?

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            Wait, you don’t want to come to my mosquito farm and pet the skeeters???

            You can even play with the baby skeeters in the huge brackish water pond in the back! It’s completely free of predators!

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              I appreciate the humor but I think your initial comparison is pretty bad.

              Wild pigs don’t depend on waste from humans. They’re invasive to the Americas, sure, but there is a huge difference between hunting an invasive species that is wreaking havoc in the ecosystem (and possibly going through your “waste”) versus raising domesticated pigs in abysmal conditions — and all other associated negative consequences — for a market with inflated demand.

              Also, the issue with H1N1 is, again, mostly due to farming.

              So, no, pigs inherently aren’t “almost parasites” and although they can get diseases, like all animals, the threat of transmitting those diseases to humans come from farming practices.

              Mosquitoes are consequential and our relationship with pigs is largely voluntary. The difference is enormous.

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          I can kill a mosquito by clapping my hands

          The pig would probably think I’m petting it or something

          Edit: for the record I mean no ill will, I just thought it was funny to say because well, mosquitos are tiny!

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          Curious what the fantasy world you live in looks like. Where industrial hog farms have garbage trucks heading into them and not trucks of purpose grown feed. I guess you wouldn’t have many landfills either.

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    I would join vegan standards but I still wait for the “eat the rich” part. I mean who would do it? Those vegans? no. This is a job for meat lovers.

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    want to see a westerner have a full on tantrum? Suggest to them that their actions are not always morally neutral

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        I hate these filthy Neutrals. With enemies you know where they stand but with Neutrals, who knows? It sickens me.

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              Can anyone downvoting this explain how vegans are not morally superior?

              • Not a vegan btw
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                I would be very surprised. I am not even fully vegan myself, people just don’t want to confront their own moral issues.

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                Yes, they are, unless you can make the argument that animal suffering and environmental destruction are good things.

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                This isn’t about being smug or not. Veganism is morally superior as long as you consider that animals suffer for Human Consumption, envionmental impacts of animal products far outweigh vegan alternatives, and humans can get all of their nutrition from vegan sources.

                The reason humans eat meat is for pleasure and profit, neither of which can be considered “morally superior” to the benefits of Veganism.

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              I really hope it’s a cultural difference, but where I’m from, calling someone a ‘morally inferior feminine whiner’ “having a full on tantrum” because they said something you dislike with is frowned upon.

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                Flattening “I deserve to murder terrified children slaves because I’m a picky eater” to “something I dislike” is a bigger offense than your misquote.

                But your description of the carnists in this thread is not inaccurate, minus the misogyny you’re illiterately trying to paint me with.

                But no matter what, wherever there’s suffering; wherever there’s exploitation, there’s a .world account defending it in the most trite, superficial way possible.

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    I grew up on a farm, I’ve killed and slaughtered my own food my whole life and I always felt good about eating meat because of that fact.

    As I get older I’m really starting to hate killing things, I don’t want to end a life at all. My couple of vegetarian days might turn into a whole lifestyle.

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      You’ve got this! There are a ton of benefits to going plant-based. Dominion is a great documentary to show how most (~90%) are treated, which emphasizes the importance for us to shift away (it doesn’t sound like the way you did it was as bad as this, but this is the info that made me swap away recently).

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    The trick is not to kill them yourself, but have factories and animal farms do it while deluding yourself into believing that there is a humane way to killing a living being when the reality is there are only less painful ways. Also, from the other side of the aisle, the trick is to delude yourself into thinking that animals would have any problems eating and preying on you. If cattle had no place in human society, their numbers would significantly decrease. What does that say about human societies with large socioeconomic disparity who are treated by cattle by the rich as they get increasingly automated?

    There’s no point to this comment, it has been released into the wild so that it may be free.

    • Angry_Autist (he/him)@lemmy.world
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      wait… are you suggesting everyone just slaughter their own food? Because the specialization of labor and labor of scale was to blame, not the desire to distance oneself from slaughter. That may be the case nowadays but 150 years ago it was nothing for most families to slaughter their own chickens.

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    Totally missed touch along with many other senses.

    • Killing with my bare hands let’s me feel the life leaving their bodies
    • Killing while standing on one leg balances my desires for vengeance
    • Feasting upon the flesh of those I murder satiates the hunger within me
    • I become lost in the blood frenzy, all sense of time vanishing