So goddamn sick of fascist populists. Fuck humanity, so fucking stupid it can’t help but shit the bed and fuck everyone else right along with em
Fascism doesn’t just come and go because people wax and wane in collective stupidity, it’s a very specific set of conditions including Class Colaborationism, rising nationalism, and declining material conditions causing people to long for “the good old days” and “take care of our own, the immigrants are stealing from us so we can’t.” The Class Colaborationism bit is important, because it explains why Social Democracies are especially vulnerable to fascism, as Social Democracy is also based on Class Colaborationism, just not based on nationalism and violent suppression.
People don’t randomly become fascist out of nowhere, it’s a failure to move forward and improve conditions that is being taken advantage of by bad actors to solidify power.
Yeah, free, happy and educated people don’t suddenly wake up as fascists one day.
No, they are conditioned to it by radical fascist talk radio and little betas like Charlie Kirk
Note that conditions haven’t been getting worse in America, but there’s a campaign by the populists to make people feel like it’s worse.
The economy is better than before the pandemic, the wages have finally started beating inflation (to the point people are making more now in wages than before the pandemic). But if you’re on social media you would not think this is the case.
Conditions have been getting worse. Capitalism requires this. Wealth disparity is skyrocketing, wages fail to keep up with productivity, and American Imperialism is causing genocide.
A minor uptick as compared to a couple years ago does not mean Capitalism is no longer declining.
Except the uptick is from 1990, it’s been getting better for about 34 years now, with setbacks in the dotcom crash, financial crisis and the pandemic.
There haven’t been better wages at any point in US history as we beat the uptick of the 1970s some time ago
Wages have been stagnating with respect to productivity, disparity is rising, home ownership is becoming more impossible for the average person, and the bulk of this decline is exported to the Global South which we brutally exploit for cheaper goods.
Home ownership rate has been steady for decades
The wages have been going up, just not exactly as fast productivity for several reasons:
That certainly doesn’t look steady, lol. Large investment firms and banks are buying up a large number of single family housing, making it unaffordable.
Wages do go up, yes, with respect to inflation. They get nowhere close to productivity increases, as exploitation rises.
So goddamn sick of fascist populists
They’re the only ones allowed to do any populism. Ratchet keeps tightening, because centrists refuse to do anything nice for people and leftists who obtain the power to do so get labeled “tankie” and run out of office.
So of course, the only people allowed to say anything with a baseline public appeal are going to win a fucking popularity contest
“Tankie” “Socialist” “Communist” the same things thrown at any politicians left of center.
And a few right-of-center, when you look at how DLC Dems like Biden and Clinton got smeared.
Lmfao true
Socialist and Communist, sure. But what politicians have been called tankies? I thought tankies were a specific type of communist.
Yeah tankies are just authoritarian apologists specifically for Stalin and Mao types
I’ve seen like 20 different interpretations of “tankie” on lemmy since moving over here from reddit last year, never heard it before that and I’m a pretty political person.
Tankies comes from the word tank obv. More specifically it comes from the tanks the soviets and China used to suppress popular uprisings. People who support these regimes and these actions or try to minimize their terror are tankies.
Tankie is definitely a newer term that hasn’t hit the mainstream zeitgeist, I already see it thrown around on lemmy like how conservatives call everything “woke”, just a matter of time imo.
To clarify, the other two are usually right wing smears, tankie appears to be a left wing smear to those further left. I know the idea behind it is fake leftists who are actually just Authoritarions but… Still lol that’s how it goes with labels a lot of the time, especially the more niche it is
Tankie has been a pretty common phrase at least since I was in college. I thought they were the folks who carried water for authoritians like Mao and Stalin. It’s more specific than ‘woke’ or even ‘liberal’, in my experience it’s more akin to calling someone maga or antivax; it confers specific positions. I’ve had friends who proudly identified with the term. Unless it’s changed in meaning recently and I didn’t get the memo.
I see it thrown around on lemmy a LOT, just like how woke gets thrown around by the right, I’m not saying it doesn’t have an actual “true” meaning, just that (like most labels as I mentioned and particularly those that are more specific/niche initially) it eventually gets bastardized and thrown around with the original specific meaning lost.
That’s because there are a LOT of tankies on lemmy, specifically lemmy.ml. In many threads anything slightly critical of Russia or China will get deleted and the users banned. It may have other meanings but that’s what it means here: people carrying water for authoritarian regimes while LARPing as leftists.
We, all of us, from all the places, need to get together and start our own county. I’d bring the liquor, though our friends from Germany may legitimately throw me out a window so I’ll leave that to them.
In all seriousness, this is a situation where the minority are the loudest. Everywhere. In the U.S., Canada, South America, Europe and all the States within, we all want a better life. Do what those of us in the U.S. haven’t been able to do and organize if you haven’t. Despite the dumbasses over here flinging insults and threats, many of us are also hoping for the best across the old pond.
This situation with rising fascism is a world problem. It’d be awesome if we could, as a larger community, come together in stalwart support against something, and not just in support of each other.
Whatever you do just know we’re fighting over here in the U.S. too. Many of us are so sick of being robbed to repeat the mistakes of the past.
Anyway, this turned into a rant. I apologize.
With liquor I think you’d be fine. It’s beer that I have found Germans to be picky about. They will find a window to throw you out of if you hand them a Bud Light
Bud Light
AKA Pisswasser.
I had it out with a friend of mine who has gone full fascist, spews all the fascist talk show rhetoric, refuses to back any of his claims. A traitor in my opinion, and he is no longer welcome in my life in any way.
So goddamn sick of communist populists disguised as middle ground socialists. Goes both ways.
Where exactly in Europe are communist winning elections?
Austria, in communal politics. Figures people like things such as social housing and respect it when parliamentarians donate excess salary to worker’s charity (in particular, everything that’s above the average wage of a skilled worker).
But I don’t think .ml denizens would ever get there. It would require, you know, touching cobblestone.
🌈 Awww how can one not love this communist lemmy 🌈
guess people want to live in shit
No, people want the people they dont like to live in shit. And dont care if that means they have to live in shit too.
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I was a pessimist, therefore the results have actually come out pretty good to me. Far right didn’t win Belgium, and Left party gained a lot of seats in Finland while right wing parties lost seats. Yeah Germany (eyes them suspiciously) and France turned out very right, but a lot of the other countries stayed about ideologically the same or gained left leaning seats.
Overall it seems it’s balanced enough to keep going with the corporate accountability / public convenience stuff we’ve been seeing here in the EU, especially related to tech.
i don’t remember a time France wasn’t reactionary (in my lifetime obviously). they were in the islamophobia business way before it was cool everywhere else.
France has been uncomfortably xenophobic for as long as I can remember. It’s never really been addressed.
As I’ve previously elaborated on in a comment in reply to a similar statement - this has less to do with being anti-islam and more to do with being anti-religion. The French have had a long history with organized religion.
At this point, after seeing the reaction of the German political mainstream to the Zionist Genocide - of unwavering support very overtly because of the ethnicity of those doing the deeds - it should be no surprise at all that, just like the “judging and acting towards others first and foremost based on their ethnicity” taken to the extreme level of supporting Genocide if committed by the “good” ethnicity (in other words, extreme racism), other elements of hard Fascist thinking are alive and well in Germany - the moral distance from the mainstream endorsing extreme violence and child murder along ethnic lines if committed by people of a “good” ethnicity and traditional fascism is merelly the addition of “we’re a good ethnicity too”, since the moral “hard work” of justifying evil acts using the “superiority” of specific ethnicities over others is already done by the first part.
If the foundations of Fascism were simply given a new coat of paint and a new list of “good” etnicities, and then kept being used in Mainstream German politics, it’s hardly surprising that the overt Fascists quickly rose back up as soon as a large enough fraction of the locals was convince that they themselves were not being treated as a “good” ethnicity.
It’s sad, but predictable. Here’s to hoping for strong antifascist resistance on the ground as the EU itself teeters down the fascist pipeline.
Antifa will do absolutely nothing. Either these countries start taxing the rich and providing basic needs for their population or the right will rise.
That wouldn’t be enough, sadly. Anti-immigrant rhetoric is already supremely high, literal Nazism is on the rise.
Because the lower class cannot afford housing and food anymore. Most of us are likely not in the same situation as those people. We can still get by but those people are stating to go in the red. They just want to work 9-5 and afford their basic needs. Which they now cannot do anymore. And they need something to blame. Government abusing housing as an investment tool? Quick, blame immigrants for the housing shortage. etc.
Luckily Fascismo inc always offers a convenient black sheep.
Not only the EU. Bigotry, fascism and in general all types of extremism ( on both left and right ) are on the rise on the world stage. Its very sad but very predictable…
It’s a good thing that the left seems to be rising in the Global South, but fascism in the Global North is scary, yed.
Can someone translate this meme into FreedomBurger™ units?
We didn’t get to see the rest of Europe in “children of men”, but I am guessing that is what’s coming
BRITAIN STANDS FREE
Immigrants being processed out
Damn pretty accurate
more like when we still believe a burgeois state will put good politicians in power.
Ahh lemmy.ml, never change.
Ahhh America, you won’t ever change.
America will change, it’s a declining Imperialist state and wealth disparity is skyrocketing.
I’ll give you that. I meant change in a positive light, but that’s hardly ever the case these days.
I meant a positive light too, actually. Eventually there will be a point where the bread runs low and the circuses go empty, and the Empire will go the way of Rome. It’s unlikely it will go the way of Britain.
Maybe we view ‘positive’ in different ways lmao. I wouldn’t necessarily consider riots and violent uprising (what happens when the bread runs out and the circus is empty) positive. Their outcomes though? Those can be.
Yes, I am referring to the outcomes, so we can put this nightmare behind us.
Perhaps instead of mocking America, you guys should’ve spent more time making sure politicians like American conservatives didn’t get elected
American conservatives can’t be voted out by voting extra hard, each vote is a vote and there are limits on canvassing and trying to bring over conservatives. America is declining, there is constant fearmingering about immigrants, and people long for “the good old days” while very little progressive movement happens. These conditions are ripe for fascism to take hold, horrifyingly enough.
Even if that’s all true, we owe it to our forebears to still try. And I don’t mean literal ancestors, but the American left throughout history. They fought against slavery, for equal civil rights, for the right to vote, and for the dignity to be seen as a full person. Workers rights advocates fought to give us safer working conditions and better work life balance. And all of these people were beaten and some even killed in the process.
Things don’t look great right now, but I don’t know if things have ever looked good in the US. It’s always been pretty terrible in some regard if you weren’t a rich white straight man.
Maybe the struggle will be futile in the end. But I don’t want to give up, because the people before us didn’t give up, and honestly faced harder odds.
They dont fight any more. They’ve been conditioned to think that violence is barbaric and we just need to meet Nazis in the “marketplace” and “win them over with better ideas”.
I’m did my part! o7
The rest of America enjoys the fascism.
agreed. its nice here.
but also some variety can’t hurt either.
In Austria seeing FPÖ winning is like a slap into the face.
Does the f stand for what I think it does?
what you think it stand for?
Nevermind I see ot stamds for Freiheit
Austria could have gone worse, despite the FPÖ up. In Germany you have this kind of cordon sanitaire, the other parties have an agreement of sorts to never cooperate with the AfD, the CDU/CSU has been a bit flimsy on that though.
Meanwhile in Austria, the FPÖ has been around forever and used to represent some liberal politics way back when so they didn’t have that cordon sanitaire, including coalition governments between the ÖVP (the equivalent of the CDU/CSU but imbroiled somehow in more political turmoil in recent years) and FPÖ on numerous occasions. And what happened in this election is that basically three seats went from the ÖVP straight to the FPÖ.
Basically Austrian representation in the EU probably got marginally worse for all it matters, but in turn the CDU/CSU saw that any cooperation with the AfD would just lead to voters of theirs just going to the AfD in the long run, strengthening the case for a cordon sanitaire.
At least I hope that’s how they’ll interpret it. The other Austrian shift was one from the Greens to the heavily pro-EU NEOS, as much as I’ll disagree on some of their domestic policies when it comes to their EU politics they’re a bit more palatable.
Germany is being interpreted as a disaster, but the only hard right party is the AfD and they’re up around 5% it looks like… and there are 13 other parties about to represent Germany in the EU parliament. France is looking terrible though, at least the RN has at least pretended to cut off ties to the AfD. And the equivalent of the CDU/CSU in France is near death, so it’s not like voters in the middle had anywhere to go other than Macron or RN.
I think germany could have gone worse, and people are quick to see that the AfD has the second most votes and cry disaster, but reality is that left wing votes are just split between more parties. Overall “cdu and further right” seems to bd about evenly split with “left of cdu”.
But still, compared to both the previous EU election and the most recent national election, it got quite a bit worse. CDU and AfD combined were at 36% in the last national election, they’re up by about 5% each, and that while the CDU has been getting closer to the AfDs position in recent years.
France is collapsing right before our eyes. Give it until year-end to turn into a totalitarian country.
I wouldn’t be so pessimistic, the erosion of democracy is usually a relatively slow process. Poland went 8 years under its equivalent to NF and still managed to win its democracy back.
The erosion has started a long while ago (~15years ?), together with the erosion of independent media and sabotage of education. What we see today might very well be a breaking point.
Macron just dissolved the national assembly. There’s no reason to believe the new assembly won’t exactly represent the same percentages we have just witnessed. Our country is fucked.
It feels like this is gonna be his David Cameron moment
I hope the French know how hard it is to get rid of the right wing once you vote them in. When Sunak called an election in the UK within the first week we had relaxed voting requirements for expats (a typically right wing voting group) and anonymous complaints against MPs of the opposing party that simply prevent them from standing because the complaints investigation procedure is longer than the very short election window.
We’re already led by the right wing though.
Liberals have been fucking our country for decades.
France has been led by liberals for years now, enshittified without mercy by these rich fucks, these EU sellouts. Our education is fucked, out healthcare is fucked, our lifestyle is fucked, all to please these rich cunts. it’s time we bring out the guillotine again.
Fuck the EU, fuck macron, fuck these pretend left wing cucks from LFI and PS, fuck the nazi cunts.
Only one solution, revolution. Heads need to roll again to remind them who’s in charge.
I agree with you this is the result of decades of liberal policies and the left was never been able to stand against it in any capacity. It’s a really shame, but we had it coming for a long long time.
Although the EU is far from perfect, I still think it brings more good than evil. We should try to salvage what is good.
I am not so much on board for cutting heads, but think these corrupt motherfuckers should rot in prison for life.
The EU can get fucked too. They forced the fishermen who received subsidies because of the crazy oil prices that forced them to stay in port to return the money. They forced the
nationalisationprivatization of our energy production, of our railways, etc. Things that shouldn’t be operated around profit margins are now forced to pay dividends to greedy cunts wo provide nothing of value to our society.A significant portion of our problems today is due to the loss of economic freedom and the forced capitalist march led by the eurocrats.
Burn everything down, make heads roll.
They forced the nationalisation of our energy production, of our railways, etc.
I think you mean privatized energy and railways.
I agree, this was a complete shit show, especially in France.
Although, it’s not the EU constitution and political systems that is fully at fault, but the people we elected to take the seats in the parliament. This time around we get fucked even harder, with a huge set back for Greens and Left in general, and big rise of hard-right and liberals.
Without the EU, how can our small individual European countries hold against massive Americans corporations and other giants like China or Russia? Neo-liberal policies would still dominate in our countries but all of or industry and agriculture and media would be enslaved to bigger entities of the “free market”.
Today, the EU still helps us to stand against erosion of our privacy and mass surveillance (although there are big red flags on this point at the moment), push for better standards on technologies (universal charging, GDPR). Also, freedom of movement, unified currency. You know you can move to another EU country, find a job there, no need for any special work permit or visa, and then you can also vote for municipal elections there too ?
We have a lot to loose along side the EU. I guess that makes me a reformist more than a revolutionary.
This is a well balanced response
Yes sorry, I meant privatization, brain fart moment.
I don’t think universal charging or gdpr are meaningful in my everyday life. Do you want to know how I dealt with Apple’s bullshit premium prices on their slightly different shaped plug?
I didn’t buy Apple products. And even with universal charging, I still won’t. I literally do not care about this universal charging thing. USB has been a de facto standard in my life long before the EU decided to randomly care about it.
The only effect of gdpr is having to click on a trillion check marks every time you visit a website if you care about your privacy, or just give up and click the ‘accept all’ button, and even if you turn them all off, there’s still a trillion trackers because of ‘necessary’ ones.
These two ‘achievements’ are the most meaningless things ever.
The thing that actually impacts my life, for example, is the EU’s constant fight against biodiversity, by preventing the sales of any seed that isn’t pre-approved in a list designed by some corrupt official paid by Monsanto and friends.
The EU can get fucked.
The only effect of gdpr is having to click on a trillion check marks
This is only the visible part of the iceberg for regular users and I agree it sucks. But most importantly GDPR take companies accountable for personal data management and data-breaches. They are mandated by law to disclose publicly when they have suffered a data-breach, which was not the case anywhere before, and still isn’t the case in the US. It also mandates the data of EU-citizens must be managed and stored in the EU, and cannot be saved more than 1 year without renewed consent. GDPR is a very meaningful progress.
For all the agriculture and environment topics, I agree with you that it is a debacle.
And I’m sure all of these things are heavily enforced and companies face hefty fines when they don’t follow these regulations lmao
How did they enshittify your country specifically? I want to compare it with how neoliberalism enshittified the UK.
Budget cuts left, right and center mostly.
Education, healthcare, transportation, everything goes down the shitter in the name of tax cuts and profits for the mega rich.
Medicine is more expensive than ever and many drugs get removed from the reimbursement list every year.
Increased retirement age even though numbers and stats show there is no need to.
Just the average liberalism bullshit similar to every other country.
I am apologising for what Gražulis does in advance.
Tis the season…
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People move yo. It’s what we’ve always done and will always continue to do. Wherever things are shit, people will move to places where they are better.
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I can’t find any figures showing an actual crime wave in Sweden (excepting a sharp spike in 2020 followed by a significant decline in 2021, but 2020 had other circumstances that contributes that are distinctly different from immigration). What are you talking about? Right-wing parties always talk about how much worse the crime rates are due to immigrants, but data never seems to appear which supports this.
You can have a look here (government site in Swedish) for crimes divided by category:
https://bra.se/statistik/statistik-om-brottstyper.html
Whilst the sum total of crimes has fallen, the amount of serious violent crime has significantly increased and in some categories to never-before seen levels in Swedish history (bombings for instance).
In these statistics I would highlight murders, organised crime, threats and attempts to influence society, threats and harassment, weapon crimes, sex crimes and vandalism.
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I can’t seem to access the first, so I will focus on the second.
1.) It is a study of Norway, not Sweden.
2.) The categories all kinda fluctuate, but the specific rates that are higher appear to be non-violent and the largest increase is traffic violations.
3.) This does not show an increase in crime rates overall as a result of immigration.
4.) Immigrant communities tend to be overpoliced which may explain increases in non-violent crime rates amongst the immigrant population (see this link detailing how Norwegian police purposefully focused on immigrants over the native population as an example of over-policing: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1362480619873347).
I likely missed details in this report as I do not read or speak Norwegian, but if I missed something vital, feel free to highlight it.
And now they won’t respond. You’ve done a through job debunking them.
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Another comment where I provided details on this matter
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1.) If you spend more time and resources looking for crime in one population than in another, then you are likely to find more crime in the scrutinized population.
2.) If it is about preserving a culture, there is no need to bring up crime rates.
Care to back that up with some data?
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