Remember kids, God is all-powerful, all-knowing, and created EVERYTHING; including evil and suffering.
This means that God created evil, knowing full well what that meant for us humans. He knew Adam was going to eat the apple, and lie to him about it, but still got angry that he was lied to; so angry that he damned the rest of humanity as punishment.
So if God created evil, and knew what that would do for all of humanity, and it was a part of his great plan to do so, then God must also be evil.
You can’t have it both ways. He can’t be good and not evil if he created evil. He also lets it happen. He can’t be good and not evil if he knows every mistake we will make, and knowing the impact of our mistakes (i.e., the other people it affects). This makes God culpable for our sins, yet he is not held accountable for his inaction.
In my opinion the only god worth thinking about is one that is beyond human comprehension. Once you restrict a god to only only following human logic god ceases to be interesting.
Honestly, anyone who says god is all powerful and all knowing clearly hasn’t read the Bible. There is a clear character arc there, and that’s absolutely incompatible with those two assumptions.
I man, look at the whole Jesus thing! He makes himself human to see why the humans can’t be good, he does retain at least some of his godly powers in human form tho. Even as God made human he has outbursts of rage and is at least at one time incredibly inconsiderate to his parents. Clear character faults if you ask me. At the end he is like “shit was hard man, goddamn!” and changes toe policy for going to heaven completely.
Don’t forget how he raped a child to impregnate her, thus also committing adultery and breaking one of his own commandments at the same time, just so he could send his “only begotten son” to die, just to effectively give up and never return.
Not enough info to meaningfully talk about rape imho, and the ‘son’ thing is a bit complicated. Probably more correctly described as a kind of aspect?
So like conservatives in ‘Merica he just makes a woman have a child by sheer force of will. No rape involved!
Rape means no consent, has nothing to do with the unconventional way of conception. The entire passage is so imprecisely written, that I don’t think you can for sure say it would have been rape.
Well power impacts consent… can you really fully consent to an all powerful being when there’s a chance they might destroy your life for refusing?
First of all, not all powerful. That is what my first comment was all about. Second, I wouldn’t categorically say no, unlikely, but not impossible. Thirdly, why do so many people feel like debating the finer points of a fictional event with me? You guys are almost as bad as harry potter nerds, except you hate the book you are talking about.
The history of Christian theology can be summed up as: a handful of guys said “hold on, the premises of this whole idea contradict each other”, followed by millenia of coping old dudes writing texts and texts and more texts rationalizing why the dogma they were indoctrinated to believe in has no paradoxes, ackshually.
Think of it quantum mechanically, God is aware of all possible outcomes, of which Adam lying to Him was but one of the many possible consequences of free will (note that the forbidden fruit gave them knowledge of their nakedness, they already had free will). Free will is inherently incompatible with determinism unless we account for all possibilities resulting of free will. Quantum mechanics and superposition theory is the closest we can get to understanding the machinations of God. Even then it still doesn’t help in the least.
And solutions :)
In the first one, God is not omni-benevolent.
In the second, claiming “God did create a universe without evil” immediately followed by “evil exists because” is contradictory.
If God created everything, then God created evil.
Both of those solutions would mean that God is not all powerful.
Straight to hell
- Make parasites that eat baby eyeballs because why not?
Thank God for child cancer!
It’s because they are evil sinners.
No no killing children is a mercy because it just means they get an express ticket to the good place. The world is just a glorified sorting hat after all remember?
But only if god does it, right?
As long as I don’t end up in Slytherin…
Abrahamic religions make a lot more sense if God isn’t omniscient and he’s using our reality to understand suffering in a way that an all-powerful being can’t
That or he’s just a jackass that got bored and quit.
Well no, they don’t, because they believe in an all-powerful God explicitly.
It varies wildly depending on the author. Sometimes he controls all of reality and other times he doesn’t even know what’s happening in the next town over.
Honestly it seems like thats what they were getting at in the very old texts, but then it gets lost in translation on purpose. imo. into this all powerful all knowing being for power or greed . if you look into the older occult side like Christian mysticism, the kabbala, and other major religious mystic writings is what I mean
He’s a very small-scale god, like what you’d expect from desert nomads thousands of years ago.
It’s all part of God’s plan
My responses to that nonsense include:
“Damn, that guy’s a real sadist.”
“Which god? My money’s on Zeus, he’s always cooking up this type of shenanigans when he’s trying to trick some woman into fucking him.”
“Our Lord the flying spaghetti monster would do no such thing.”
Feel free to contribute some more ammo.
Babies with bone cancer are on the express lane to becoming angels.
Brain tumors are gods creations just like little kittens.
“I’ll be sure to tell my niece that God wanted her to have leukemia since he thought that’s what she deserved.” is my goto
You all are talking about God’s existence, and I’m just over here wondering if I found my therapist’s account.
I really hope you don’t have a therapist who says it’s all god’s plan.
- ???
- profit
“This is literally what they believe”
“God works in mysterious ways my child…”
/doublefacepalm
Well at least he got help :|
