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      His only talent is convincing the wealthy to invest in his schemes. I don’t understand how he does it, hearing him speak is painful.

      He got lucky with Tesla becoming a meme stock.

      SpaceX is being run by a competent engineer while its competitor, Blue Origin is being run by a megalomaniac. This is possibly Musks only competent move in business.

      The rest of his ventures have been failures. To any one not blinded by greed, it’s clear he long ago peaked. He’s playing a shell game now but people will happily invest hoping luck will strike again.

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        For Tesla and SpaceX, they attracted the top engineers because they were cool bleeding edge problems to solve that actually aligned with idealist goals in the industries.

        Musk used that genuine motivation and overworked people into burnout, and took credit for others hard work.

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        There’s an old tweet that explains it well, I’m sure you’ve seen it.

        (Paraphrased) “Elon Musk talked about cars. I don’t know anything about cars so when people said he was a genius, I figured he must be a genius”

        Investors don’t know shit about the stuff they’re investing in and Musk sounds really smart when you don’t know anything about the thing he’s speaking on.

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        His only talent is convincing the wealthy to invest in his schemes. I don’t understand how he does it, hearing him speak is painful.

        That’s not fair, he’s also really good at making promises to the public to secure incentives and public funding and then fucking everyone over

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          The real trick there is how he didn’t get sued.

          The SEC has held him more accountable than the share holders

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        To his credit SpaceX was at least a correct recognition that the dominant space launch companies were just a cartel milking federal funding for as much as possible. That sector is so stagnant that ULA still hasn’t blinked at the massive success of first stage reusability.

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          When you’re a government agency, you have to play things super safe. When you’re an independent company, you can do whatever you want. And if you fail, no one cares. If the government agency fails, it’s hell to pay.

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          Well with SpaceX, there are now 2 big launch companies for the USA.

          and given how the gov likes to spread contracts around there isnt a real existential incentive to do much.

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    Anyone remember when he spent all his time talking about colonising mars? That was his big thing and the future. Whatever happened to that?

    Then spacex got government funding. Now AI is the big thing.

    I’ve still yet to see any of his great visions he’s actually delivered on.

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      Whatever happened to that?

      He took all the money he was going to use to do that, put it in a duffelbag with X written on the side, and burned it.

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        Isn’t something like that why Elon got in trouble with the Tesla board? Something about using Tesla as a bank to fund space x.

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      He’s one of those people who’ll pop around a corner and proclaim his credit of something he had next to no involvement in.

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      Notice he has never actually volunteered to go up in a SpaceX rocket. I don’t think he’ll be going to Mars.

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        On the other hand, Starship is not fast enough, if I recall correctly, SpaceX claimed to Nasa that they’d be landing on the moon by now

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            Starship is a terrible idea and vehicle. The fact they keep trying to make the thing work is just because Musk is burning government funds. It has no chance of making it to the moon, let alone mars.

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                Anything can make progress if it’s within the realm of possibility and you throw enough resources at it.

                My issue with Starship is that it’s not really good for any of the things Musk has promised it for. It’s a heavy lift rocket that has not yet proven capable of surviving flight. Best case it can be used to get materials up to space, but used as a lander or a long distance ship? No way. It’s just not designed that way. Too heavy, too unsafe, too inefficient, too complicated.

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            They do, but being slower than Orion to even get to the orbit is not a great look

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      SpaceX is a fucking trashfire too. The fact that NASA has contracts with them disturbs me greatly.

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    I’m picturing him walking into Tesla’s offices, going over to the engineers, saying, “make the horn make a fart noise,” and leaving, thinking he’s brilliant.

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      > be me

      > walk into billion dollar company that’s slowly tanking

      > entire staff gets down on their knees begging for mercy

      > look around

      > point to the most impressive technological advancement in transportation of the century since the car was invented

      > “what the hell is this?”

      > lead project manager raises, still trembling

      > “it’s our brand new zero emission self driving car powered entirely by the air around it and it can be produced for half the cost of our existing line”

      > do that obama lip thing

      > “not bad, not bad”

      > idea pops into my head

      > evilgrinchgrin.jpg

      > “what if… you made the horn sound a fart?”

      > everybody has a nervous breakdown

      > cut half the team and leave without elaborating

      > be homeless dude wielding machete

      > picture unrelated

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    I’ve never heard of pigeon management but I have heard something similar described as playing chess with a pigeon as someone who “knocks all the pieces over, shits on the board then struts aroind like they’ve won”.

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    Can’t we all agree to just ignore him? Like stop posting about him and quit Twitter? He thrives off negative attention.

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      As much as I hate them, I would wager that the majority of CEOs are more educated, smarter and have a better understanding of their business than Elon “Failed Upward” Musk.

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        CEOs are more educated, smarter and have a better understanding of their business

        You haven’t met that many of them, have you?

        I have - the difference between the ones I met and the likes of Elon is that none of the ones I met had any interest in being celebrities. That’s the only difference - their institutionalized incompetence was the exact same.

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          Yeah, they only want to be well-connected with other CEOs and big investors so they can jump between orgs.

          That said, some CEOs are decent. We just got a new CEO, and they seem decent. They have industry experience, not just an MBA from a prestigious school, and they asked the right questions when visiting recently. We’re not a huge org though (a few thousand people), but we are publicly traded (not in the US).

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    There’s a picture this makes me think of where a bunch of birds are sitting on a tree in typical pyramid hierarchy diagram positions, and each level of birds starting from the second is covered in more shit than the previous.

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    We called this the “swoop and poop” in a previous job of mine. Definitely not something encouraged or enjoyed.

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      I brought it up w/ my team and we all got a laugh. We even shared some war stories about bad bosses.

      I’m a boss now, so hopefully I’m not like that. I ask my employees to report me to my boss if I do something stupid.