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Oh, this reminds me. I was asked to go to a Chiropractic “doctor” this weekend for a check up. That’s nonsense to begin with, but I went anyway.
She asked about my back hurting, and I mentioned that I threw it out really badly when I got COVID a year or two ago, and was stuck in bed coughing super hard for a week. Her immediate response was “I’ve heard the vaccine can do that.”
… Like, fucking what? How god damn stupid do you have to be to hear “I threw my back out coughing really hard.” and instantly try to insert your anti-science bullshit into the conversation?
Chiropractor. Stupid. Anti-science bullshit.
You repeat yourself.
I was super mad when I went to a new dentist after my last one retired and he prescribed me homeopathic medicine.
I hope you used homeopathic payment.
Given them payment in diluted dollar water.
Shells and crystal rocks
A chiropractor once gave my mom homeopathic pills. I was a kid and didn’t even know what homeopathy was at the time, but she gave me one and I said, “mom, this is sugar.” She tried to argue with me about it and I kept telling her I know what sugar tastes like.
Nicely done. The best case scenario is sugar. Most of the time, it’s nothing but water, and maybe a single drop of 100x already diluted more water, that maybe once had something non-water in it. That is, of course, assuming the machines doing the literal magic shaking didn’t spill the “active ingredient”.
I’m curious. What for? Something non-dental the dentist noticed or something dental-related?
I have a perio and ortho, and the perio also was my hygienist; but the hygienist noticed something odd with a tooth, concerned about it, said I should consult a general dentist - due to having seen a perio, ortho and hygienist regularly I let my general dentist lapse, found they had retired and I wasn’t on books any more, went to the nearest dentist, in-network, 4* reviews - he looked at it, said, “ah yeah, i see the issue. use this mouthwash and gel on it once daily”
it was like $50
I happily used it for a week before I was standing there swishing and actually read the label and saw “not endorsed by the FDA” and was like “whattttt” then saw it was homeopathic
well you can imagine I spit that mouthwash straight out without swallowing
I don’t suppose you remember what the magical ingredients were in those products? Call it morbid curiosity.
You know now that I think about it, I’m not sure how much of dental products are actually FDA approved. I think they might fit into a weird zone where they’re not technically medication or food so FDA doesn’t really look too closely. Dental machinery and appliances for sure need to be FDA-approved, but mouthwash and toothpaste I’m not so sure about. I’m fairly sure the active ingredients within mouthwash and toothpaste, such as fluoride, need to have FDA approval before they can be used, but I don’t think the toothpaste or mouthwash itself needs FDA approval. I think for the most part the FDA oversees marketing claims and manufacturing standards for toothpaste/mouthwash, whereas the American Dental Association (ADA) is the body that “approves” them.
No worries. The appointment was set for me by a local government agency. That’s about all I wanna say about it, though.
If you want a bone medic go to the traumatologist, not those shaman-like chiropractors
A shaman would be a step up because I don’t think shamans actively make anything worse.
And they have magic
Plus they can make voodoo dolls
Trust me, it wasn’t my choice.
I was a teenager and was having back issues. My mother sent me to a chiropractor, which I didn’t know was a bunch of bullshit back then. She took an X-ray of my spine (how is that legal?) and told me she’d fix the issue in my upper back. I told her the pain was in my lower back and she kept insisting that no, it was an upper back problem that I needed to be treated for.
And that was when I realized it was all bullshit.
Now I know that it was come up with by a guy who said he got the information from a ghost. Seriously.
How did you not just walk out of there?
I honestly thought I might have to, but it took months to get the appointment, and I didn’t want to have to wait all over again and just hope I got a better location next time.
I don’t get why anyone would want to be a chiropractor.
Nurse: 4 years of schooling, high salary (yes it should be higher), useful to everyone around you in medical situation, good benefit packages, respected, and you can do so much with that degree.
Chiropractor: 6 years of schooling, salary is low, useless in a medical situation, terrible benefits, not respected, and the only thing you can do with that degree is what you “trained” for.
Become a nurse instead!
The fact that Chiropractic is pseudoscience; realigning your spine to allow magical spirit energy to flow better, because they think every single aliment from acne to cancer is caused by blocked chi flow, isn’t enough?
Are you saying a ghost can be wrong? ;)
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Measles, that old-timey disease we didn’t really think about as kids because of vaccinations. Welp, that’s coming back. Thanks to fucking idiots.
“BUT MAH FREEDOMS!”
They’re free to die however they choose. Or however death chooses them.
That’d be fine if they didn’t infect people who can’t protect themselves and didn’t ask for it. Plus it would have been cool to have wiped another disease off the face of the planet.
Or forced to die however their parents choose for them.
It’s coming back thanks to those vaccine mandates that were brought in.
You don’t put people at ease about a new vaccine by saying “you must have it otherwise you can’t participate in society”. That has the opposite effect and makes people even more reluctant and sceptical. It also gives anti-vaxxers more ammo for their nonsense that they can spread online.
All that combined has led to a big increase in vaccine hesitancy and scepticism, and the worst thing is that it’s now harming kids as a result.
There’s always one!
I hate to break to to you, but public health policy does not and should not consider the opinion of lunatics. I legitimately cannot believe this isn’t obvious.
The anti-vaxxers are lunatics, yes. But they always were and it doesn’t really matter what they think.
But you think anyone who felt a slight concern about a brand new vaccine was a “lunatic”? These people needed reassurance, not “Do as you’re fucking told, idiot”. The fact people can’t see this baffles me.
Problem is those people didn’t want to listen to doctors who had the nuanced view of “there might be issues with a vaccine which development we’ve had to accelerate, but the alternative of not taking it is demonstrably worse for everyone”, they only wanted to listen to the people who shared their position.
My healthcare professionals: “it is mRNA, it creates the spike protein and then is gone from your system in a matter of hours. Those proteins trigger an immune response that works as an inoculation.”
Vs.
Guys on the internet: “the mRNA is experimental gene therapy that will alter your DNA and make your ovaries or testes grow spikes like a chestnut. It crosses the blood/brain barrier and gives you Creutzfeldt–Jakob.”
Always one what?
Someone trying to justify allowing soft policy on vaccinations.
I don’t think it’s controversial to be against forced medication.
At least it never used to be.
See this is exactly why people are calling you out. We’ve seen this exact same bullshit so many times where it’s just like “oh we are being reasonable and just asking questions and doing due diligence” but they you always end up with the loaded language of “forced vaccinations” and “product testing.”
Yes, in the middle of a pandemic, where people were dropping dead and entire medical systems were on the verge of collapse, timelines might have been advanced a bit. Your incredibly privileged language manages to leave that part out somehow, and replaced these very justifiable motivations with unfounded malevolence. It’s frankly insulting to those traumatized by not only the pandemic, but these selfish and toxic attitudes.
And the worst part? You were proven wrong. Again. None of your concerns were validated. The vaccines were a miracle which brought us out of an extremely dark time. There was no corporate malevolence, no serious side effects, just good science and better outcomes. But still, for some reason, you will cling to your utterly selfish positions and bullshit concern trolling, and that’s why everyone is pissed off at you. Because you’ve clearly learned nothing, and will obviously force all of this same nonsense on us the next time there is a tragedy.
The person you are talking to isn’t an anti-vaxxer though. They are pointing out that vaccine mandates are questionable at best in terms of ethics. The campaign to push vaccines was also fraught with issues that helped create more antivaxxers.
My concerns? What were my concerns?
I’m talking about trying to prevent diseases coming back due to increased vaccine scepticism that started with governmental COVID responses. I wasn’t sceptical of the vaccines and nowhere did I say I was.
no serious side effects
Not widespread, but none at all is patently untrue. There will always be serious side effects in rare cases in any medication.
No. It’s called people aren’t scientists and they are NOT qualified to make decisions regarding public health. Shut the fuck up and do what you are told. If you can’t find peace in knowing that someone is smarter in the field of biology and sociology, get a therapist and talk to them.
Shut the fuck up and do what you are told. If you can’t find peace in knowing that someone is smarter in the field of biology and sociology, get a therapist and talk to them.
People say this and seriously don’t see how this messaging might not be all that encouraging to people.
I want more people to get vaccinated for diseases. This is not how to go about it, as society is now demonstrating.
Hey, if people don’t want to get their kids vaccinated, that should absolutely be their decision. It’s a shitty decision, but I do believe that parents should have the authority to decline.
That being said, if they choose not to vaccinate, their children should absolutely be banned from any public school or community rec league sports, or anyone else publicly funded.
And the private institutions that focus on children (day cares, private schools, etc.) should have a requirement in their license agreement where all children they serve must be vaccinated as well or else they lose their licensing.
Basically going non-vax should be handled in a way similar to how they should handle these idiot sovereign citizens: sure, you don’t have to have your vehicle registered or interacted or even plated…but if you choose not to do that, you better keep it on your own property. The minute you turn onto a public road we’re gonna throw the book at you.
I get what you’re saying, but what you’ve described isn’t really giving people a choice. Even if that choice they’re making in not vaccinating their kids is a bad one.
Its kind of the same choice as needed to get a driver’s license to operate a vehicle.
Wrong.
It’s absolutely a choice. It’s just a choice with consequences.
Anti-vaxxers always seem to want to have their cake and eat it too: they want to enjoy the benefits of herd immunity and participation in society without doing the things that society agrees upon to keep everyone safe and healthy.
Decisions have consequences, and those who would make decisions that put others at risk should be the ones to bear the burden of the consequences of their decisions.
How is it a choice when you can get fired for not having a vaccine? You live in a society that requires people to be employed in order to survive. If you need a vaccine to be employed, then it is not a real a choice at all.
I’m not trying to encourage anyone. There are rules to society and people are having full on temper tantrums rather than accepting the rules. I’m just sick of fighting over things they are not qualified to assess. It is insulting to everyone that goes to school for a decade to save their life, do the research, come up with a solution and then “dO yOu KnOw WhAt’S rEaLlY iN iT?!”
You seem to be only thinking of the anti-vaxxers and the types of people who won’t get vaccinated whatever happens.
I’m talking about the people who are just apprehensive, for whatever reason that may be. Getting angry with them isn’t going to help anything.
Also, vaccine mandates for COVID were not endorsed by the doctors or scientists due to them being counter-productive to getting more people vaccinated: https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2957/rr-1#:~:text=Evidence does not justify mandatory,to informed choice | The BMJ
Who is the House of Lords? And this is from 3 years ago.
One of the British houses of Parliament
I AGREE! Even though before Covid we also couldn’t participate in things like travel or schooling or sometimes even workout with the Right Vaccine!
I gained the superpower of crippling anxiety, depression and panic attacks. I had very mild anxiety prior to Covid, but something broke in my brain after I got sick.
I am anxious and yet constantly tired. I can barely function before noon and can’t shut my brain off to sleep.
I hat every fucking person on Earth who said it was bs.
I’ve been feeling the same way. Some days I’ve felt better, but I don’t really get back to where I was. It feels like my discipline has broken down.
You sound a little like me.
Give liposomal C plus L-Arginine a try.
There’s been some studies showing it helps with long COVID.
I feel a little improvement. Not great. Some.
You might as well recommend some healing crystals or magnetic wristbands.
@[email protected] should speak to a doctor about possible treatments and not take random unproven advice from the internet.
So, an innocuous supplement treatment, with multiple legitimate studies is the same as healing crystals? Got it.
Not everything in the world is horse parasite quackery.
My doctor did review the studies and agreed it was worth trying given the lack of known long COVID treatments.
an innocuous supplement treatment
Healing crystals are an innocuous treatment that have been involved in multiple studies also, so yes.
Let’s not dwell on the outcome or legitimacy of those studies at all, for either treatment.
Your doctor did a review? Such a nice claim to authority there with zero evidence. It is nice that everything and everyone on the internet can be trusted.
I stand by my statement. Anyone suffering medical issues should seek help from a medical professional and ignore random internet advice.
I was assaulted by a family member for not giving “IV Ivermectin” to someone with COVID who I had just crash intubated (honestly thought they were going to code, but somehow didn’t) back during the Delta wave.
My view of humanity has gotten pretty pessimistic since COVID. If I had the guts I’d honestly love to go create an insulated community of people who actually think about stuff and want to help each other.
Yeah, covid broke my faith in humanity. When we encounter a real global threat that could wipe us off the face of the planet, we will not rise to the occasion and band together.
Climate change, disease, aliens, asteroids, a super volcanic eruption. Just not gonna happen the way it’s portrayed in movies.
And it’s this weird thing where a decent percentage of humanity was working super hard to save everyone else—did save most everyone else—and a ton of people are just going on about the “Fauci Ouchie” and nanochips.
The general public has no idea how many people we saved with the mRNA vaccines and critical care medicine. They’re blatantly oblivious to it. The death toll would’ve been monumentally worse without a coordinated effort of public health, healthcare, and research. Yet no one has any idea. COVID was simultaneously one of humanity’s greatest unrecognized accomplishments and one of its greatest blunders.
If you’ve ever read or watched The Expanse series I feel like it’s spot on as far as humanity’s response to disasters.
Don’t give them ideas thinking the protomolecule is in the vaccine lol
Na khorocho, que si?
My views on humanity fell off a cliff in 2016. I’ve always been pretty cynical but that was rock bottom. Imagine my surprise that there was another cliff to fall off of in 2020. And the worst that happened to me was getting called “genocidal” because I don’t believe “why not, maybe it works” is scientific enough to justify giving everyone ivermectin.
It is completely despicable to attack a healthcare professional because they don’t agree with the conspiracy theory of the day. Let alone a family member. I’m sorry they decided to do that to you.
All this because a lone dimwit didn’t want cloth masks to muss his makeup.
Thanks, I appreciate it.
I have a pretty high tolerance for disrespect (either from patients or other specialties) since I work in Emergency Medicine, but COVID was just off the charts.
No need to create such a community - there’s one ready-made in Iceland! They even had a vet who was on top of the vaccine* research in the early days.
EDIT: Just looked up that story, and (a) it was in the Faroe Islands not Iceland, and (b) they adapted their salmon-testing labs to detect covid in humans, allowing them to test 5% of the population per day, locally.
I nearly got assaulted by another staff member, sort of defended myself from it by just shoving him away and creating distance, and then I ended up on a disciplinary over it. Despite everything he’d seen he still thought he was hard-done by and tried to take it out on myself. I had an exemplary record for nearly 28 years up until then.
I still see “heroes work here” banners outside of healthcare facilities and nursing homes. I imagine a number of the low-paid and overworked staff say “fuck you, pay me more” every time they drive by too.
What was really annoying was other industries saying the same thing. There was a laundry that had “heros work here” on their sign, as if they were anywhere near the same level.
That’s the thing everyone who had to stay at work in public took a considerable risk, liki the employees at the grocery store. They deserve a lot of praise, and no one cares.
They deserve praise and a living wage
Just the extra money on top of the standard unemployment was significantly more income than they made by saying at work too.
Imagine having to go to work every day knowing you’re risking your life and making at best just above minimum wage.
I asked someone in the industry once that exact same thing, and the answer I got back was basically you don’t do this job for the money, you do it for the people.
Now granted, being able to pay your mortgage would take some stress off you, especially when you get so much stress at work, but still, a lot of people do it for non-income reasons.
And for the record, them (and teachers, while we are at it) should be paid a lot more than they do get paid.
No. This is the wrong thinking imo.
I worked/work for a hospital Trust here in the UK. Any job that brings you within close proximity to other people had a quantifiable risk. Hindsight is great and all that, but in the early days of any pandemic you dont know what you can touch safely, where you can breath safely. Our Government tried to bail some out, but not everyone can get help or close shop. Anyone who was afraid and still struggled through it gets my respect.
I can’t believe people are falling for Trump’s “Four years ago you were better off” bullshit
Even if I wasn’t better off financially now, not having that shitstain as president would make be much better off overall.
I mean I’m better off financially, but to be fair that’s because of the labor shortage Covid created being so bad that the local power plant started hiring part-time entry level.
I mean… yeah… I say “Labor Shortage”, but I mean “The Labor Force Realizing That They’re Working For Too Little For It To Be Worth It!”
But hey I’m poor as fuck, I’ll take what I can get… I’m just grateful I finally escaped retail.
I can’t believe people still adore T@&#! after he has repeatedly grifted them, lied to them, demonstrated time and again he has no empathy and is a horrible human all around.
He grifted us over medical supplies during a pandemic. He damn near ended our democracy and became a dictator. His list of retributions he has declared if he gets elected is terrifying. Racist and classiest as hell.
And they ignore everything and just parrot the " hE iS pRo LIfE!" BS
April, 2020 unemployment was almost 14%
Worked through this myself. Not as a nurse or care assistant, but as an NHS binman. Still saw lots of shit I basically cant talk about (not due to emotion but due to Trust policy as its a bit too specific). Saw doctors, nurses, care assistants walking around like zombies after having worked 18 hours straight. Saw morons walk in and film them thinking there was some major conspiracy. Heard the lungs of patients rattling as they struggled to breath. Two workers I knew died. Heard from colleagues how some other morons had “served legal papers” on the staff (thats not how you get “served” here btw) and then saw it on the BBC 6 oclock news. I also saw the hard work of every delivery driver, supermarket worker.
What did I learn? That some people will fight to save your life, even if you’ve not taken heed of all the advice.
I have a two year old niece now. I’m reminded of when I was a kid in the early 80s and war veterans would come and talk to us about WW2 and Korea. I am thinking it would be good if some of us did the same for these kids in a few years. If we went and talked about what we saw, not the scary/nasty stuff, but the stuff that makes people hopeful for humanity.
I have to admit, before Covid i didn’t think people would be joining the war on disease on the side of disease in any meaningful numbers and yet here we are. I think we may be in decline as a civilization, not sure how that kind of brain rot is survivable.
It’s very survivable, the same way we’ve always survived - if you see a moron saying that sort of shit, punch them in the face.
Their heads are like rocks. You’ll just break your hand.
Turns out conservatism was the real plague all along.
Covid awareness? On Lemmy? Getting over a thousand points? It feels like I’m in a dream.
Reminder to everyone that wearing a well fitting n95 mask in public takes very little effort but helps others (who may be immunocompromised, already battling long covid or other conditions, or otherwise vulnerable) and yourself avoid getting sick which can save people from chronic pain, disability, death, and more. Please do what you can to take precautions and prevent the spread of disease!
PS: I recommend 3M’s Aura respirators. I know 3M sucks (understatement) but they do make a good and affordable n95. If you have issues with your glasses fogging up with masks on, this one is for you.
My only time with covid nearly took me out, and that was with my both vaccinations(both parts of each). Decided after that to continue wearing masks to large public gatherings.
I’ve been through some rough surgeries due to certain medical conditions I have, but nothing compares to the aches of covid while your chest feels like it’s got multiple weights on it and you’re seeing stars with every little small cough. I never want to feel that way again.
Covid was the most terrifying time of my life (i know covid itself is still here). I have a severe health anxiety disorder and a single ache of spot on my body can instantly convince me i have a terminal cancer or illness and i WILL die. After about a year i finally build up all courage to go to the supermarket with my partner, wearing a good fitting mask. We stood at the checkout and this guy asked another guy who wasn’t wearing a mask, and standing waaaay to close to them, to please keep his distance and to please wear a mask. The guy instantly got aggressive and knocked the man out for asking him to please keep distance and wear a mask. I didn’t go anywhere again.
I still struggle with all of this. After 2016 it felt like people got a free pass for conspiracy and fascist shit. I’m from europe but the trump presidency had a big influence here too. So many conspiracies that trump shouted got popular over here and fascist parties got A LOT more popular. Hell, a fascist party won the election here less than a year ago.
I lost a lot of hope and love for humanity. But i also see smart and beautiful humans fight for us every day. Whether its with climate and antifascist protests or through videos i find on social media or the news. And i cant give up hope or stop fighting for them. I cant let those people down. Because if people like that exist, there is hope.
I felt the same way as you. I actually left America because of the crazies. During early covid, during the Delta phase. I had someone yell at me while I walked to my car because I was wearing a mask. Scariest shit I have ever felt.
We learned that in the zombie apocalypse, there is gonna be people that march right into the horde convinced it wont kill them and that zombies arent real.
